"Did I mention that the pedophile was a Republican?"

[Touchdown]

I said that about 2pm.

My co-workers in unison: "Only about 100 times!":rofl:

Hammer it home!:bounce:

[aquart]

1. They seem bitter.

How sad.

[Touchdown]

3. Yeah, but I was having fun with it.

...actually about 4 out of 6 others were laughing with me. I said it as a joke, and meant it for some cheap yuks.

[aquart]

25. It's so wrong of us to be having fun.

Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong.

And yet.....

[greyl]

2. He's not a pedophile

as far as we know.

[Jack from Charlotte]

4. According to one of the TV people, he is.....

Said the definition includes those that EVEN ATTEMPT to have sex or a relationship with a minor. Actually having that sex is not required according to the TV guy.

[greyl]

5. One of the TV people? Who cares, they're wrong about the definition.

It is important to understand the differences between pedophiles and molesters. Pedophilia, which is a psychological disorder, is a distinct sexual preference for pre-pubescent children. The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM 111-R), which is published by the American Psychological Association, supplies this definition of pedophilia: “recurrent, intense, sexual urges and sexual arousing fantasies of at least six months duration involving sexual activity with a pre-pubescent child” (DSM, V.3, 1987). Generally, this means the target of the fantasy will typically be less than 12 years old. Notice the definition does not require the person to actually engage in a sexual act. Pedophilia is a psychological disorder that does not require, and usually does not involve, a criminal act.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/pedophiles/1.html

Pedophilia is considered a paraphilia, an "abnormal or unnatural attraction." Pedophilia is defined as the fantasy or act of sexual activity with prepubescent children.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia.html

[karlrschneider]

9. A lot of DUers like to make up their own definitions for words

when it's politically convenient.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

10. I just use the dictionary.

Which says Foley's a pedophile.

[karlrschneider]

11. How odd, I have 3 dictionaries and none of them say that.

I guess accuracy and the rule of law go out the window here at DU when the accused is a Republican. Now I see how it works, thanks.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

12. LOL

Oooh, boo hoo. Those poor Republicans. :nopity: Borrowing from another thread:

Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.0.1) - Cite This Source
pe‧do‧phil‧i‧a  /ˌpidəˈfɪliə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation

–noun Psychiatry. sexual desire in an adult for a child.



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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source ped·o·phil·i·a (pd-fl-, pd-) Pronunciation Key
n.
The act or fantasy on the part of an adult of engaging in sexual activity with a child or children.

pedo·phili·ac (-k) adj. & n.

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WordNet - Cite This Source
pedophilia

n : sexual activity of an adult with a child

LOL

Mark Foley is now "admitting" he was sexually molested as a child. I suppose that's what drove him to not molest children as an adult?

:rofl:

[karlrschneider]

15. It's pretty goddamn bad when requesting simple precision for

specific terms leads some people to imagine I'm defending sexual predation. Our neighbor, about
500 feet west of here is a 16 year old husband and father of an almost 1 year old girl. Coincidentally his name is Mark. When he gets home from work (at Wal Mart) i'll walk over there and ask him and
Kathy his wife if they consider him a child. Will you take THEIR word for a legitimate answer?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

17. Well now you're talking about teen sex.

Which is wholly different than child molestation.

Why don't you ask the 16 year old father if he'd like to have sex with Mark Foley.

:rofl:

[karlrschneider]

19. I will and I'm sure he will say no but that isn't really the point, is it?

You can dance around it all you want, but a 16 year old is not a child. And you can lie about proper definitions and even accuse me of defending a predator all you want, I'm sticking with accuracy and the rule of law. It's a shame some DUers don't give a shit about those little inconvenient matters.

[Swamp Rat]

20. Mark Foley is an ephebophile.

Is that better? :D

[karlrschneider]

23. Of course it's "better". It's also accurate...but some people here

are only satisfied with the most salacious label they can think of (or find in a Thesaurus.)
:eyes:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

21. 16 year olds aren't children?

:roflu:

"And you can lie about proper definitions"

But, Karl, I posted the proper definitions, cut and paste.

"even accuse me of defending a predator all you want"

Well, you're certainly spinning for him.

"I'm sticking with accuracy and the rule of law."

No, you're not! :rofl:

"It's a shame some DUers don't give a shit about those little inconvenient matters."

:rofl:

:nopity:

[karlrschneider]

22. But you interpreted the definitions the way you wanted them to appear

then you responded to my other points with a handful of adolescent smilies. Nice talking with you, but that's it...welcome to my ignore list.

[greyl]

34. A pedophile could be 16 years old, and

their object must be prepubescent.

Recurrent, intense sexual fantasies, urges or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child (generally age 13 years or younger) for a period of at least 6 months.

These fantasies, urges, or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in everyday functioning.

The person is at least age 16 and at least 5 years older than the child in the first category.

However, this does not include an individual in late adolescence involved in an ongoing sexual relationship with a 12- or 13-year-old.

There are a number of difficulties with the diagnosis of pedophilia. People who have the disease rarely seek help voluntarily—counseling and treatment are often the result of a court order. Interviews, surveillance, or Internet records obtained through the criminal investigation can be helpful evidence in diagnosing the disorder.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/pedophilia.html

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[karlrschneider]

16. I think you had better clarify exactly what you're implying there,

bubba. It goddamn well better not be what I hope it ain't.

[americanstranger]

18. That's why I call Foley a 'sexual predator.'

Works for me.

- as

[Debi]

7. !!!

:spray:

Maf54: ok..i better go vote..did you know you would have this effect on me
Teen: lol I guessed
Teen: ya go vote…I don't want to keep you from doing our job
Maf54: can I have a good kiss goodnight
Teen: :-*
Teen: <kiss>


++++

Maf54: then we can have a few drinks
Maf54: lol
Teen: yes yes ;-)
Maf54: your not old enough to drink
Teen: shhh…
Maf54: ok
Teen: that's not what my ID says
Teen: lol
Maf54: ok
Teen: I probably shouldn't be telling you that huh
Maf54: we may need to drink at my house so we don't get busted

+++++
http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/new_foley_insta.html

[MsUnderstood]

8. that pedophile gray area tires me

People use the gray area of "the child was a teenager, almost an adult" or "we don't know if he acted on his fantasies" so the guy isn't a pedophile arguement are disillusioning themselves, create paper tigers to fight and avoiding the real issue that this guy commited acts of wrong doing.

Okay Fine, don't call him a pedophile.

Call him a Sexaul Harasser, call him a stalker, call him a pervert, but accept that this man solicited sexual information from kids 1/3 of his age in order to either satisfy sexual urges or recieve a surge of power gratification.

Either way the man did something wrong. In a position of power, he used his power to initiate sexual discussion with people who were placed in his trust, causing those people discomfort.

And when these victims asked for help, those who are suppossed to protect these victims DID NOTHING. When did he reach out for help? When he was caught. . .and I don't think the problem was that he was too drunk to know right from wrong so rehab is not gonna fix it.

*edited to fix my bad math..had 1/4 and fixed to 1/3

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

13. No, let's use THEIR definition for a change. Hit where it hurts. -nt

[Beausoir]

24. Right on cue...the Foley apologists have arrived yet again.

A grown man...who wants to have sex with children.

Pedophile.

Parse it all you want. Split all the hairs you want.
This is political correctness taken to absurd levels.

A grown man..sexually preying on children.

THIS liberal Democrat has NO PROBLEM calling it what it really is.

[Jacobin]

26. I'll tell you one thing:

If some fucker like Foley started trying to seduce my sixteen year old son, I wouldn't wait to see what the prosecuters were doing. He'd be fucking dead meat.

[Beausoir]

29. I stand with you. This apologist crap has gone on long enough.

My guess is....most of the DUers (and there are really only a couple) who are trying to parse and excuse what Foley did...do not have children.

The guy is a sick pedophile.

[CBGLuthier]

31. we are not apologists

We are people with brains and an education.

But go ahead, believe what you want to.

Wallow in your ignorance becaue it feels good doesn't it?

[Beausoir]

35. What part of "grown man stalking young boys for sex" don't you get?

Stop making excuses for this kind of horrific child abuse.

Foley is a monster and a pedophile. He stalks kids on the internet...and probably in real life as well..in order to prey on them.

[Iwasthere]

6. And so are these guys...

Republican Congressman Mark Foley abruptly resigned from Congress after “sexually explicit” e-mails surfaced showing him flirting with a 16-year-old boy.

Republican executive Randall Casseday of the conservative Washington Times newspaper was arrested for soliciting sex from a 13-year-old girl on the Internet.

Republican chairman of the Oregon Christian Coalition Lou Beres confessed to molesting a 13-year-old girl.

Republican County Constable Larry Dale Floyd was arrested on suspicion of soliciting sex with an 8-year-old girl. Floyd has repeatedly won elections for Denton County , Texas , constable.

Republican judge Mark Pazuhanich pleaded no contest to fondling a 10-year-old girl and was sentenced to 10 years’ probation.
Republican Party leader Bobby Stumbo was arrested for having sex with a 5-year-old boy.

Republican petition drive manager Tom Randall pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 14, one of them the daughter of an associate in the petition business.

Republican County Chairman Armando Tebano was arrested for sexually molesting a 14-year-old girl.

Republican teacher and former city councilman John Collins pleaded guilty to sexually molesting 13- and 14-year-old girls.

Republican campaign worker Mark Seidensticker is a convicted child molester.

Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year-old girls.

Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the Internet.

Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year-old girls.

Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.

Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.

Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.

Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida .

Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year-old girl he murdered.

Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.

Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years’ probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year-old girl.

Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year-old black girl, which produced a child.

Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.

Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.

Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year-old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.

Republican activist Lawrence E. King Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.

Republican Congressman Donald “Buz” Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and
sentenced to one month in jail.

Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.

Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.

Republican activist Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child.

Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.

Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his stepdaughter.

Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.

Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.

Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.

Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. “Republican Marty” , was taken into custody by Florida police
on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.

Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year-old boy and possession of child pornography.

Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year-old babysitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.

Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.

Republican talk-show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11-year-old girl.

Republican anti-gay activist Earl “Butch” Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year-old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.

Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.

Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the Internet from a 14-year-old girl.

Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year-old boy.

Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e., exposing himself to children).

Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year-old girl.

Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a boy.

Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.

Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.

Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year-old girl.

Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.

Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6 months in prison.

Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer
and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.

Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.

Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the Internet.

Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a “good military man” and “church goer,” was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.

Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.

Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.

Republican director of the “Young Republican Federation” Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year-old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.

Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.

Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year-old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.

Republican Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld authorized the rape of children in Iraqi prisons in order to humiliate their parents into providing information about the anti-American insurgency.

For a quarter century, the man who is now Spokane's mayor has used positions of public trust – as a sheriff's deputy, Boy Scout leader and powerful politician – to develop sexual relationships with boys and young men.
One man claims in a court deposition that Jim West molested him in the mid-1970s when he was a boy and West was a Spokane County sheriff's deputy and Boy Scout leader. A second man also accuses West of sexual abuse during the same era, including an incident at Camp Cowles, a Boy Scout camp on Diamond Lake.



Blast from the Past: Details emerged in 1989 of the Bush White House teen prostitute scandal: teens entered private quarters of the White House while George W. Bush was occasionally residing there while acting as his father's hatchet man in the White House:

Rep. Keith Westmoreland from Tennessee committed suicide shortly after the news of his "escapades" with children broke. I know it well because it happened not far from where I grew up. It was a big deal, because all of the Republicans and Fundies turned into a circular firing squad (pardon the illustration) between those who thought it was no big deal and he was "misunderstood" (a la Foley) and those with a little more sense.

Ole' Keith liked to get into swimming pools at hotels with little girls and pleasure himself in front of them, sometimes even asking them what they thought about his lil' Keith. Of course, this was all the girls fault as was alleged at the time.

[Touchdown]

28. That's a great list. Re-post it on every thread.

Mind if I cut/paste on a mass e-mail? We don't do that enough. It's good to counter that what will be a "Democrat Pedophiles" e-mail we're about to get any day now.

...or just the "Starbucks refuses to give coffee to the troops!" bullshit.

[Touchdown]

27. Ok. Back on topic. I'm linking the GOP with the perv

Whatever you want to call Foley, I don't give a shit. The GOP calls it pedophilia when it's not about them. I use their words, so there! I am not a llinguistic scholar, I'm abn everyman who works with a bunch of people who may not know that Foley, the Pervert who preyed on a 16 year old, is a Republican.

I ram it home and make a self depricating joke about it so they will remember. Who cares if I'm technically wrong about the word. I was just passing along a fun day.:eyes:

[dflprincess]

30. So was Ted Bundy

and the Washington State Republican party thought he showed real potential. :evilgrin: Just think, if he hadn't been caught, he could be in the White House now instead of the sociopath we've got.

[cureautismnow]

32. Republicans have stopped using bookmarks...

They just bend over the pages. :rim-shot:

[Touchdown]

33. Woah. LOL!

Repubs new T-shirt...

GOP:
Old enough to pee
Old enough for me