Is all this Foley BS going to smother the Condi/Tenet meeting of July 10?

[Gabi Hayes]

that current thread here on this topic has posited that this meeting is the most important revelation to come from the Woodward book (even though it was reported as early as FOUR years ago in Time).

Several dem pundits have suggested this in the last two days as well.

So far, I've been watching CNN and MSNBC for the last two and half hours, and have seen this story mentioned exactly: ZERO times.

Is anybody surprised, or has anyone seen this mentioned on TV at all, including the nightly CBS/ABC/NBC/Lehrer shows from yesterday or today?

There are also those that say that the pugs aren't as stupid as they so often seem, and realize the danger of this revelation, and are hoping that the COMPLETE, WALL to WALL coverage of the Foley story, bad as it is, was necessary to keep the nation's consciousness off Rice, etal's egregious, criminal negligence in their first several months of office.

Everybody here knows the details, from Clarke's demotion, to the absence of any meetings on AlQaeda, to Ashcroft's relegation of terror to SEVENTH on his list of to-does as he assumed power. The question I ask is, "Is it possible that they threw Foley overboard on purpose, or are they merely LUCKY as hell again(how many times has this happened?), and merely capitalizing on yet another fortunate break for the fortunate son?"

I know there's no way to prove it, but wouldn't it be swell if there were some way to get these monsters to relive their negligence under pain of perjury?

[Jacobin]

1. Sex scandals are better for gnat like attention spans of Murkins

Than serious policy fuck ups.

I've reluctantly resigned myself to the reality of politics in that regard.

I do however miss the discussions on this board of more important things, like those you suggest

[Gabi Hayes]

2. here's the latest of several threads over the last few days that discuss

the MONSTROUS, CRIMINAL negligence/insensitivity of this junta, along with the inexplicable lassitude/amnesia of the likes of benVeniste (supposedly on OUR side) in this.

I can't even begin to express the full extent of my outrage at this turn of events

WHERE's RICHARD CLARKE on this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2288796

Rice Received Qaeda Warning Before 9/11
By PHILIP SHENON
Published: October 2, 2006

JIDDA, Saudi Arabia, Oct. 2 — A review of White House records has determined that George J. Tenet, then the director of central intelligence, did indeed brief Condoleezza Rice and other top officials on July 10, 2001 about looming threat from Al Qaeda, a State Department spokesman said on Monday evening.

The account by the spokesman, Sean McCormack, came hours after Ms. Rice, the secretary of state, told reporters aboard her airplane that she did not recall such a meeting and said it was “incomprehensible” she ignored dire terrorist threats two months before the Sept. 11 attacks. Mr. McCormack also said the Bush administration had determined that the Sept. 11 commission had been briefed about the meeting, even though no mention of it appears in the commission’s report.

The question of whether such a meeting took place and what may have occurred has emerged as central since an account of it appeared in “State of Denial,” the new book by Bob Woodward of The Washington Post. The book said that Mr. Tenet and his top counterterrorism deputy, J. Cofer Black, believed that Ms. Rice had not taken their warnings seriously.

Ms. Rice told reporters aboard her plane on Sunday evening, as she began a trip to the Middle East, that she regarded that account as “simply ludicrous.” Mr. McCormack, in confirming later that the meeting had taken place, said that the White House review had found that Ms. Rice had asked Mr. Tenet to provide the same briefing to Donald H. Rumsfeld, the defense secretary, and John Ashcroft, the attorney general. Among those who attended the meting, Mr. McCormack said, was Stephen Hadley, then the deputy national security adviser. —

more at:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/02/washington/03ricecnd....

[calimary]

44. Hey, I don't care! If THIS is what gets 'em off their butts in outrage

to vote out the republi-CONS, then WONDERFUL!!! Whatever gets us there. Which means, we will have subpoena power, AND the chairmanships of ALL the committees, and the agenda-setting authority. Which in turn means that we can resurrect the whole contradicta 9/11 business to our hearts' content - AND KEEP IT out front.

[spanone]

3. Not If We Keep It Alive...K & R

[Gabi Hayes]

4. another story, from yesterday's Wash Post

Tenet Recalled Warning Rice
Former CIA Chief Told 9/11 Commission of Disputed Meeting

<snip>

"The briefing was a summary of the threat reporting from the previous weeks," State Department spokesman Sean McCormack told reporters traveling with Rice in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia. "There was nothing new."

Despite this, McCormack said, Rice asked that Tenet provide the same briefing to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and then-U.S. Attorney General John D. Ashcroft. The two men received it by July 17, he said. McCormack was unable to explain why Rice felt the briefing should be repeated if it did not include new material.

</snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

[Gabi Hayes]

6. something that really brought this to light for me, in DRAMATIC terms:

I can't remember now if it was Rachel Maddow or Randi Rhodes, but one of them commented on the scenario of Black and Tenet DRIVING over to see Rice that day, PRECISELY because they were so scared about this, and WANTED TO MEET WITH HER IIN PERSON, in order to express the GRAVITY of this particular amalgamation of intel regarding possible attacks INSIDE the UNITED STATES!!!

they could have just made phone calls to her office, but they drove all the way in from CIA HQ to the WH to brief her.

And she can't even remember the meeting?

Too bad that horrible ABC movie didn't DRAMATIZE THAT little scene, hey?

[spanone]

13. Keep it Kicked. Huge Story.

[helderheid]

31. K & R

[Diane R]

46. kick n/t

[bobbie]

52. kick

...

[Swamp Rat]

5. No, it will help by hurting the GOP overall

Their inbred, bigoted constituency will not leave their homes to go vote, so we will retake Congress in November. Then we'll prosecute ALL of them for EVERY crime committed. :)

[Gabi Hayes]

8. yeah.....I thought about that, and meant to put it in OP, but forgot.

sort of dealt with it by implying the Foley thing is the lesser of two evils, and I certainly hope you're right about this resonating better with the average voter than our national security.

but the fricking MEDIA is just so much more interested in the sleazy, disgusting sex crap than said security, that I guess, if one must settle, one will.

that said, do you despair of the dems making all they can of the UNCOUNTABLE depredations the pugs have committed on the world over the last six years? where do they start, if they somehow beat Diebold and win one of the houses?

Incurable optimist that I am, I'm not so sure they'll be as investigative as the pugs would be, given the same circumstances.

[Swamp Rat]

10. Well, we'll write to our reps and DEMAND they try them for war crimes

and every other abuse over the last 6 years... including members of the media who helped them commit treason and mass murder.

[patricia92243]

7. It will pop back up for the 08 elections.

[blm]

9. It should be the BIGGEST STORY in the news right now -

plus, that Carville was funneling privileged info on Ohio to Matalin on election night.

[Gabi Hayes]

12. WTF on that Carville story?

how old is that one?

and.....there was NO mention on the Condi story on Hardball or Situation Room from 6 to 7PM CDT...at least from what I saw as I clicked back and forth

anybody see Lehrer? did they cover it?

you can see where this is going already

and you're right about this story's rightful place at the TOP of the news cycle. Instead, it seems to not be even being MENTIONED at ALL!!!

where's my colander, anyway?

wonder if KO will deal

[blm]

14. There's a few threads on it today - it was in the Woodward book.

Here's one thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2293527

[Gabi Hayes]

16. thanks. liked your thread on Kerry being about the only on interested

in the likes of BCCI, etc.

skunks like Brazille, McAuliffe, etal make me want to vomit

partly why I despair of anything being done to these crooks if the spineless ones take power

[BuyingThyme]

11. I don't think it can be buried until somebody digs it up.

I suspect somebody will fire a loud shot soon. I hope.

[Gabi Hayes]

15. I'm FURIOUS at the dems on this, so far! Here's why:

ANY time a dem is asked to comment they should brush aside the Foley scam and DEMAND the focus be put on Rice's CRIMINAL, NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE for LYING about that meeting on July 10, 2001

SEVEN TEN!!!

SEVEN ONE OH!

710

[BuyingThyme]

17. Yes. This is simple stuff.

[Gabi Hayes]

18. Our ''leaders'' just don't get it, do they?

though, I must say the media frenzy is astounding

interesting that only certain kinds of sex apparently sell, though, isn't it?

why is THIS such a hugh story (absent, it appears, at this point actual physical sex), when the Gannon story had no legs at all?

that to me was MUCH more damning of this creepy junta, with REAL national security implications, yet the media REFUSED to deal with it. Is that because it had to do with themselves, even though Gannon was as much a journalist as any of us at DU?

[BuyingThyme]

19. Here's a start:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2302369

[Gabi Hayes]

22. talk about nanoseconds!!!!

great minds and all that....see my post below?

you're right, of course; it's a start, and I'll try to be positive, but has ONE thing happened in the last almost six years that has gone the way it should have for the pure at heart?

[onenote]

37. gotta disagree with you

There will be a much better opportunity to play out the Woodward book information in hearings conducted by a Democratically controlled Congress, leading up to the 2008 elections, than during a month when Congress is out of session and everyone is campaigning. Meanwhile, a huge portion of the electorate is made up of parents and those parents, virtually unanimously, are appalled at the idea of a 40 or 50 something Congressman coming on to a high school junior. And the idea that the repub leadership let it happen turns their stomachs.

You can't force the voters to be more interested in the Condi or Carville stories than they are in something that hits them far more viscerally -- the abuse of a teen at the hands of those to whom the parents have entrusted their child. If you can't fight it -- and you can't -- you should let it happen, because its nothing but good for us.

[Gabi Hayes]

20. THANK YOU, Sen. Leahy, but....

Why can't you get his on NATIONAL TV?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2302369


Senator Leahy: "Why Did 9/11 Happen on Bush's Watch?"
by Diary
Tue Oct 03, 2006 at 05:03:50 PM PDT

On September 29th, Senator Patrick Leahy was interviewed by Amy Goodman of Democracy Now.

Goodman asked: "what would be any different if Democrats were in power?"

Senator Leahy responded:


"For one thing, we would have been asking the questions about what's been going on for six years. We've had a rubberstamp congress that automatically has given the President anything he wants, because nobody's asked questions. Nobody's asked the questions that are in the Woodward book that's coming out this weekend, where you find all the mistakes were made because they will acknowledge no mistakes. The Republicans control both the House and the Senate. They will not call hearings. They won't try to find out how did Halliburton walk off with billions of dollars in cost overruns in Iraq. Why did the Bush administration refuse to send the body armor our troops needed in Iraq? Why did they send inferior material?"


Senator Leahy continued:


"And, of course, the two questions that the Congress would not ask, because the Republicans won't allow it, is, why did 9/11 happen on George Bush's watch when he had clear warnings that it was going to happen? Why did they allow it to happen? And secondly, when they had Osama bin Laden cornered, why didn't they get him? Had there been an independent congress, one that could ask questions, these questions would have been asked years ago. We'd be much better off. We would have had the answers to that. I think with those answers, we would not have the fiasco we have in Iraq today, we would have caught Osama bin Laden, Afghanistan would be a more stable place, and the world would be safer."


more at:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/29/150...
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2006/10/3/20350/7637

[brettdale]

21. Kick

Kick

[Gabi Hayes]

23. WTF? Bill Schneider skating on the edge of this story right now on Zahn:

calling it a Perfect Political Storm...worst since 94 against dems.

said Iraq, the Woodward book, and the Foley scandal are forming confluence around pugs

he still says Iraq is more important, still.

he's concentrating on Woodward's Iraq War theme: more important than the Rice meeting (I'm inferring that, cause he didn't even mention it)

now Schneider, Human Refrigerator, and John Roberts gab with Zahn.

watch them put their best pug spin on it

Schneider: Pugs are saying it's a Dem scam; emails were leaked after Foley's name had to appear on ballot (he's not buying). All politics are local, so pugs still will win

[blm]

24. Makes you wonder how deeply AFRAID they are of Condi's 9-11 lies, that

getting the Foley story out there now appears like it was a move by Republican 'leakers" not Dems as the RW machine has claimed.

[librechik]

25. kick n/t

[librechik]

26. kick n/t

[watercolors]

27. Was Foley outed for cover ?

This is the one thought that I keep thinking about. Woodwards 'book comes out and presto there is Foley and sex! The Gop was waiting for the right time! Now all that matters is Foley's F--- up! I get so angry, but maybe they will just all implode and do themselves in. I keep waitng for the next shoe to drop that will screw us all!

[robertpaulsen]

28. Proudly kicking!

:kick:

[Beelzebud]

29. No, make sure you bring it up to everyone you talk to!

[helderheid]

30. K & R

[Nimrod2005]

32. No...Just give us a couple of days to enjoy the one with sex in it.....nt

[pauldp]

33. K&R !!

[nadinbrzezinski]

34. Sex sells and these were kids

something Muricans can get....

A meeting two months before 9.11, that is way, WAAAYYYYY too complex... and I wish I didn't have to write this

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

35. ...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=2310486&mesg_id=2310486

[LSK]

36. do you think the sheeple really care????

Do you really think if someone hasnt made up their mind by now, that this will change their mind???

The American public has all but tuned out and made up their mind on 9/11 and Iraq.

The Foley issue is something that can change minds of all the voters who tuned out 9/11/Iraq and think the GOP is the party of values.

PLEASE STEP OUT OF THE BOX ONCE IN A WHILE.

[smoogatz]

38. If the Foley matter tips the House of Reps to the Dems

John Conyers becomes Chair of the Judiciary Committee. Meaning he'll have the power to subpoena people like Rice, Rummy and Asscroft. I'm sure Rep. Conyers is at least as interested as you are in this precise issue--along with a host of others, including election fraud and Bushco's deceptions in the runup to the invasion of Iraq. Let the investigations begin!

[2008]

39. It's not BS. It's what the intellectually challenged RW fundie voters...

...can understand with their little RW fundie brains.

They don't understand very much, but they know that covering for a man who's been trolling for underage boys is BAD.

If it makes them stay home on November 7, it's not BS.

[tridim]

40. Even if it fades now, it'll come back after we win both houses

It'll be more useful after we have subpoena power.

[ryanus]

41. Already has

That's the plan

[formercia]

42. Keeping it kicked n/t

[The Count]

43. Not here, but yeah, in the collective consciousness

live boy or dead girl...

[Wilms]

45. K&R n/t

[LeftCoast]

47. Both subjects were covered in detail on both KO & Newshour

I can't speak for any other news shows.

:shrug:

[Terri S]

48. I don't think it has smothered it entirely, but...

What it HAS buried is the torture bill. Foley's behavior was reprehensible. Anyone that endangered our children by turning a blind eye deserves the harshest condemnation. But in the final analysis, there have been and will be more children harmed by the war in Iraq that should have never been fought. The immorality of acceptable torture, as defined solely by the president, outtrumps sexual predation by a long shot. Apparently sex sells better than totally destroying the soul and professed ideals of this nation... and the dems don't have to share complicity on this one.

The good news is, if this helps get republicans out of office in November, you have a better chance of seeing the monsters "relive their negligence under pain of perjury".

[ComerPerro]

49. It never would have gotten attention in the first place

[Blackthorn]

50. Yes, and that's the point.

[bobbie]

51. Think the Pugs sacrificed Foley to ABC to get the heat off Condi?

kick

[Subdivisions]

53. Kick. n/t

[tiptoe]

54. kick

[G_j]

55. bumper sticker seen the other day

"Someone please give Bush a BJ so we can impeach him"


seems sex scandals trump everything

[Gabi Hayes]

56. Time story from FOUR years ago! did we talk about this then?

http://www.time.com/time/nation/printout/0,8816,333835,...

LOOK at this! WTF is wrong with the DEM party? why did they not make an issue of this? Oh, I forgot. they were all on board with the junta at this point. too scared to make an issue out of the fact that they LEFT us naked and unguarded against terror attacks. can you imagine if this had happened under a dem administration?


read:

In mid-July, Tenet sat down for a special meeting with Rice and aides. "George briefed Condi that there was going to be a major attack," says an official; another, who was present at the meeting, says Tenet broke out a huge wall chart ("They always have wall charts") with dozens of threats. Tenet couldn't rule out a domestic attack but thought it more likely that al-Qaeda would strike overseas. One date already worrying the Secret Service was July 20, when Bush would arrive in Genoa for the G-8 summit; Tenet had intelligence that al-Qaeda was planning to attack Bush there. The Italians, who had heard the same report (the way European intelligence sources tell it, everyone but the President's dog "knew" an attack was coming) put frogmen in the harbor, closed airspace around the town and ringed it with antiaircraft guns.

But nothing happened. After Genoa, says a senior intelligence official, there was a collective sigh of relief: "A lot of folks started letting their guard down." After the final deputies' meeting on Clarke's draft of a presidential directive, on July 16, it wasn't easy to find a date for the Principals' Committee to look at the plan-the last stage before the paper went to Bush. "There was one meeting scheduled for August," says a senior official, "but too many principals were out of town." Eventually a date was picked: the principals would look at the draft on Sept. 4. That was about nine months after Clarke first put his plan on paper.

very interesting article...''Could 911 Have Been Prevented?''

it bends over backward to be 'fair' to the Bush junta, and, unless I missed it, does NOT mention that Clarke was demoted from his position as one of the principals at the terror table, or whatever they called it, and is derisive towards him in many instances. it also paints a ridiculous picture of Bush as being decisive and knowledgeable.

it also has a section which distorts Clinton's record on combatting, responding, etc., to terror attacks: making it seem that there were more attacks than actually happened, denigrating his attacks on terror, and saying, for example, he 'got lucky' when terror attacks were thwarted. very anger inducing in spots

in spite of these faults, the information it does present is VERY damning toward the Bush regime

Highly recommended, especially as a pass along for those whose with on the fence acquaintances

[Gabi Hayes]

57. anybody notice the gasbag discussions today, and if this was mentioned?

I flipped around among ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and the only one I saw that covered it at all was Russert, who asked Woodward about it, and they spent less than a minute on it, without any followup: one question, brief answer, and that was it

surprised?

did ANY DEM bother to bring it up today at all?

huh?