Is it possible for a woman to rape a man?

[ecstatic]

Forced sexual intercourse against his will?

[Kutjara]

1. Perhaps, with the aid of restraints and...

...industrial-strength Viagra. It could still be logistically problematic, however.

[rug]

90. You've given this some thought, haven't you?

[slackmaster]

2. Absolutely yes

Many men, especially young ones, can get erections while passed out drunk or drugged into semi-consciousness.

Men can be coerced into doing things they really don't want to do.

Rape does not necessarily involve intercourse.

Any questions?

[Vincardog]

3. Duh have you ever heard of marital aids? Or maybe a soda bottle?

Or a baseball bat? Or a Florescent light bulb? all have been instruments of rape. No penis required

[slackmaster]

4. Strap-on dildo

And so on.

[ComerPerro]

121. ouch. ouch. ouch. and WTF

florescent light bulb?

[ariellyn]

144. LOL

:rofl:

[sendero]

5. Sure..

....and many have been convicted of it also.

But of course, it is somewhat rare compared to male on female rape.

[Berry Cool]

6. The male erection does not always = sexual arousal.

Therefore, women raping men, while rare, is possible.

[NewJeffCT]

10. now, let me ask you this

men can get erections while sleeping... if a man is sleeping and a woman tries to have sex with him while he's aroused, but sleeping, would that be considered rape? Or at least attempted rape.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

28. Or drunk.

If he's had a few it'd be rape too.

[slackmaster]

30. Easy, try reversing the roles and ask again

If a man gets a woman aroused while sleeping and has sex with her without her prior permission, is it rape?

[NewJeffCT]

84. good point

I ask because it happened to me with a woman maybe 8-9 years ago. She told me about it afterwards...

[TahitiNut]

80. Absolutely. It's without consent. Period.

I personally cannot comprehend it. Married for 12 years, there was no way I could be aroused when she wasn't reciprocal. The way I'm "wired" depends on mutual interest ... if that ain't there, then it's not even al dente. No way, Jose.

The "flip-side" of that is that even if I weren't willing, I'd very probably have an autonomic response in reaction to lustful interest ... and could be raped under such circumstances. The erection would, in no way, indicate consent.

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. sexual arousal does not always = consent.

[fishwax]

119. an important point

that seems lost in the rest of this discussion.

[catmandu57]

7. Wasn't this part of a soap opera?

I seem to remember one my wife watches about some crazy woman having a guy locked up and raping him because she wanted his baby.

[treestar]

Yep, that was that a plot line on one of the soap operas

If you want to find ridiculous plot lines, check out the soap operas. Though it would be a sensitive story if treated by a serious genre.

[QuestionAll...]

12. yes, it does happen.

but as you said, it is somewhat rare.

the word rape most usually means a man forcing himself on a woman/child/or another (weaker) man.

I don't think any of my male friends/family/co-workers worry about rape personally as women and girls do.

[NewJeffCT]

8. Yes, it can happen

Not very common, and not just like how described in the above posts.

[mcscajun]

9. A man's brain cannot always override his body.

So yes, a woman raping a man is certainly possible, and has happened.

[QuestionAll...]

14. and a woman's hole doesn't ever have to be erect. nt

[kiahzero]

15. Hrm?

I don't understand your point.

[QuestionAll...]

23. a man has to have his tool in working order...

but the hole is always there.
whenever the tool works.

[slackmaster]

31. In order for intercourse to occur, BUT...

...Intercourse is not a requirement for a rape to have occurred.

[QuestionAll...]

43. that's the general idea tho. ain't it? nt

[slackmaster]

47. No

Any person being A) forced or coerced into performing a sexual act (use your imagination) of any kind against his or her will, or B) being sexually taken advantage of while in an altered state of consciousness, has been raped.

[QuestionAll...]

52. it's not sex if it is coerced. it's violence.

maybe sex for the preditor, but not for the victim.

dial 911:
help, police, I just had 'sex' I didn't want, was I raped?

[slackmaster]

54. Notice I used the term "sexual act" as opposed to "sex"

One is a mechanical term, the other is generally reserved for a consensual, good thing.

[QuestionAll...]

63. use your dicktionary, I have mine. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

66. Alright, first thing:

look up the word "dictionary."

Then look up the word "rape."

[kiahzero]

67. I can't help but feel that the "typo" was anything but. (n/t)

[QuestionAll...]

75. are you ordering me to do something?

hahahah!
should I come back with my homework to you, master?

I have a fair idea what a dictionary is and what rape is.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

78. I sure is.

"I have a fair idea what a dictionary is"

I think you've got the general idea.

"I have a fair idea... what rape is."

I wouldn't guess it by your responses in this thread. Now, I think you're fully aware that women can rape men. I think you're just upset that somebody asked.

[QuestionAll...]

85. o, massta, you edumacated me!

let's all talk about all the men that have raped by women. Let us focus on that.
those evil women preditors that skulk about and rape and pillage and kill not by the handful, but by the thousands and thousands. Men are afraid to go to a dark parking lot, because of Women. They are afraid all the time, always suspicous. Physical rape? Economical rape? Intellectual rape? Dismissive rape? They teach their sons to be careful of women and the power they have - the physical and economic power. the old girls club is really hard to get beyond and be free as an individual.


hahha.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

87. Congratulations.

You just kicked a strawman through a moving goal post. That takes some amount of talent.

"Dismissive rape?"

Oh, the irony.

[QuestionAll...]

91. let's get beyond your huge tiny ego here.

dismissive rape.
like the Iraq episode where a 'woman' of 14 was raped and slaughtered and burned by American troops. dead alongside with her family.

it's just the way things go. the war on terror is ugly. war is hell. o well.
NEXT!

and I have the same boiling hot repugnance to the Sy Hersh story of the sodomized screaming boy at Abu Graib.and I'm fairly certain women weren't the rapists.

I know exactly where I stand. I stand for all. big stories and small ones.

You seem to stand for a smaller population. you and your threatened ego.

[Solon]

117. Couldn't that have been Lynndie England?

The second case you talked about, probably the first time graphic sexual violence was ever photographed as being perpetuated by both men AND women.

[QuestionAll...]

126. could very well be. odds are it's not. n/t

[Solon]

127. Why?

She was front and center in many of the photographs that depicted torture, sexual sadism, etc. Is it really so difficult to believe that she is just as responsible for HER actions there as the men in her unit?

[QuestionAll...]

134. I said it was possible but not likely.

Yes, she is responsible for her actions, and we've seen this in pictures and she has been a goat like her male equals to take the fall for the big shits in control.

As far as the tape Sy Hersch was talking about, the sodomized screaming boy being raped... odds are it's not a woman doing that. It's possible, but would be unlikely considering than men rape much much much more often than women.

[Solon]

138. Actually, you said sodomized...

Which is a little different, and to be honest, whether it was a female or male who did the crime, male equipment definately isn't required for THAT particular crime. Most likely it was some foriegn object.

[QuestionAll...]

140. I guess you know about sodomizing more than I do.

I do see it doesn't have to be male member flesh intrusion, yes.

so you really think this was done by a woman? this abu graib thing?

[Solon]

141. Some of the crimes there were done by a woman...

she even has a name, already mentioned. I don't see why that is up for debate at all. As far as your first comment, I WAS raped, thank you very much, by a woman, it happened in college, thank you for showing your true colors in this thread, congrats, you are now on the asshole list. Fucker.

[QuestionAll...]

149. I'm sorry that happened to you.

Misdirected anger at me won't do you any good tho. I've said a number of times that women are capable of rape. But there are many more women and children raped by men. I'm sorry if that insults you in any way.

[Solon]

150. You already insulted me enough already....

Your flippant attitude and response to my other post were more than enough to make me want to throw up. I guess these types of crimes are acceptable to make light of. :puke:

[Nevernose]

128. Do you not understand what a Straw Man is?

Based upon earlier responses, I ask this with all due respect: do you not understand what a Straw Man argument is?

From Wikipedia: A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact misleading, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.

Do you have any idea how many logical fallacies were committed during your last post?

[kiahzero]

60. Most. pedantic. post. ever.

The operator would say yes, by the way.

[kiahzero]

41. And?

Erections can, and often are, triggered entirely by physical phenomena. Once the man is subdued, a woman can easily force a man to get an erection, and from there rape him that way. This excludes the other ways in which a woman could rape a man - unwanted oral or anal intercourse would be rape as well.

[QuestionAll...]

48. can you provide some stats that support rape of men

is anywhere close to the rape of women and perhaps we should all revise our idea of the word?

[kiahzero]

49. If men aren't raped as much, they aren't raped at all?

Truly, you have a strange epistemology.

[QuestionAll...]

55. so let us all concentrate on the rape of men.

lets sort that one out first.
let the women wait. again.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

57. Who said concentrate on the rape of men?

The OP was just asking whether or not it existed.

What argument are you having?

[QuestionAll...]

59. I was responding to 49. nt

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

61. Were you?

Because it looked like you were responding to some post in a different thread.

Ain't those called non sequitors?

[kiahzero]

62. I fail to see how that has anything to do with my post.

Please explain.

[slackmaster]

50. Why would it have to be "anywhere close"?

Does it not "count" unless the numbers are close?

The OP asks empirically whether or not it can happen, nothing more.

[QuestionAll...]

72. and I said it does happen.

only a fool would think it not. Especially with adult men raping children of both sexes and grown up women.

point is, women/men and youngsters are raped by men. show me statistics that disprove that.

[mongo]

86. So are you saying that if I force you to have oral sex it isn't rape?

[QuestionAll...]

93. I don't like to talk to proud perveyors of smut.

but thanks for dropping by anyways.

bye!
(practiced Jehovah Witness door slam)

[Ariana Celeste]

96. Oh Christ.

:eyes: What a trashy response.

[Ariana Celeste]

97. Oh of course not.

Don't you know that only women get sexually assaulted? :sarcasm:

[fishwax]

114. i don't think anybody made any such claim

:shrug:

[uppityperson]

159. men have holes too, can be anally raped.

[alittlelark]

154. Sigh. Ejaculation is also forced.

I've heard these tales.... from sexually excited males.


Males are wired to jump almost anything that comes their way. I'm sure there are some YOUNG men who this could happen to - but... uh, hello... comparing it to female RAPE is Ludicrous.

[kiahzero]

11. This just in:

At the time of this post, at least 5 people don't understand male anatomy.

[aikoaiko]

13. erection is a reflex that only requires a spinal cord - no big head needed

In other words, his "will" would not necessarily be able to prevent an erection from occuring.

I think your question implies only penis-vagina intercourse and there other plenty of other ways for a woman to rape a man.

edited to add: Why do you ask?

[Guaranteed]

100. Hey, his mouth said "NO!" but his cock said... nt

[aikoaiko]

106. I'm not sure what your piont is, but your comment is what rapists say

about any evidence of sexual arousal in their victims in order to defend or justify their behavior regardless of sex.

[Betsy Ross]

16. Erections have nothing to do with it.

Sticking a broom handle up anyone's butt is rape.

[htuttle]

17. If men can rape men, then women can obviously rape men, too

[QuestionAll...]

98. by what you say....

with a strap on, yes.
Not saying this doesn't happen. but sure as hell doesn't happen as often as 'regular rape'.

oiy.

[htuttle]

104. Of course not

But the OP asked, "Is it possible?"

[yella_dawg]

18. Yes

I know.

[smirkymonkey]

19. I can not believe this poll.

It's absolutely ridiculous. You post is an insult to every woman who has been violently assaulted and raped.

[yella_dawg]

22. And your post

is even more insulting to men who have gone though it.

[smirkymonkey]

58. This post was nothing more than flame bait.

I am sick of the misogyny on this board. When men live in fear of being sexually attacked and violently abused by women, then I might listen to this tripe.

[kiahzero]

64. How is saying that men can be raped misogynistic?

Please explain.

[genie_weenie]

70. Because deep down every man is Chuck Norris

and CHUCK. DON'T. GET. RAPED.

[kiahzero]

71. You win the thread.

Game over man, game over.

[Name removed]

79. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[LostinVA]

81. I get what you're saying

And, I agree.

[genie_weenie]

103. Delete

This is simply not a useful argument.

[aikoaiko]

24. and an insult to every man who has been raped by a woman.

[Name removed]

65. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

26. And your post...

I'd say, is an insult to everybody who's been violently assaulted or raped. Not just men.

[slackmaster]

33. I can't believe your response

You post is an insult to every woman who has been violently assaulted and raped.

How so?

:crazy:

I'm quite sure it wasn't intended as such.

[smirkymonkey]

69. Because you are intentionally stirring shit up in response to other

threads.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

76. It seems to me...

that the ones stirring shit up are the ones saying men can't get raped.

[Ariana Celeste]

73. Damn dude.

Speak for yourself, because personally- sexual abuse never stopped me from having compassion for ALL victims, not just the ones without a penis.

[QuestionAll...]

77. shaking my head here at the idiotcy too. nt

[undeterred]

20. Yes but its rare, and its a lousy way to change the subject.

[slackmaster]

38. What subject?

:shrug:

Doesn't the OP have license to define the subject?

[undeterred]

51. You are asking a question in the context of other threads

on this discussion board. I used to work with rape victims and some of them were men raped by men. Men are almost always raped by other men. Women are almost always raped by men, not by women. So you are bringing up a possibility which is extremely rare, as if it balances out the problem of male violence towards women, which it doesn't.

[slackmaster]

53. I haven't read all of the other threads in GD

So your comment means nothing to me.

ETA if you don't like this one, you can always ignore it. Or hit the Alert button if you think some offense against the posting rules has been committed.

PPS I have been the victim of violence (not rape, but violence) by a woman. I don't know any men who have been raped by a woman, but I know plenty who got into "date" situations they regretted.

[LostinVA]

83. Good post n/t

[Guaranteed]

21. Absolutely. All he has to do is say no.

Right?

[QuestionAll...]

27. is it possible to get a poll of how many men

fear walking in the dark alone to their cars or friends or work...
thinking a woman may be laying in wait for them to assault them?

[bigwillq]

35. Excellent point.

:thumbsup:

[genie_weenie]

45. That's right because every man is a Ultimate Fighter

in his heart. No man has Fear! Men! Men! Men! Men! Men!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

88. You know...

technically men are more likely to be the victim of violent crimes than women.

[QuestionAll...]

95. not so. more women and children die in wars than soldiers.

or are you saying Bush's crimes are not violent enough?

what is it you are saying again?

[mongo]

89. How about a poll of how many women see every man on the

street as a potential predator?

Especially interesting seeing how men in general are more likely to be a murder victim.

[YellowRubberDuckie]

29. Yes, It happens.

Men have very little control over the blood flow to their penis.
Duckie

[genie_weenie]

32. Men have the power therefore the can't be raped.

Oh wait that smirky monkey's point...

How many times has it be argued that Rape is not about sex but domination...

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. What if she's got a gun?

[genie_weenie]

39. Apologies my post was sarcastic... n/t

[smirkymonkey]

74. What kind of "man" fears being physically overpowered by a

woman anyway. I am sure you are all cowering in your little corners waiting for some big, bad woman to come along and rape you at any moment.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

82. So you're saying...

that men who are raped by women are sniveling cowards?

[uppityperson]

122. a woman with a gun, or a knife, or bigger than he is, or stronger, or

a woman holding a knife to his child's throat or... Many reasons a man might be afraid of being physically overpowered by a woman. And yes, it is possible for a woman to rape a man. It is also possible for a man to rape a woman as I have experienced (am female) so don't bother giving me that crap about this question is demeaning to women who have been raped. It is possible for either sex to be raped by either or the oppposite sex.

[Warren DeMontague]

34. Hmmm. That reminds me of a time when I was in college.

I suppose some might define this as "rape". I don't. I passed out on my back one night from too much drinking, yet it seems the great God Priapus visited anyway. My college girlfriend, whom I was living with, apparently decided to take advantage of that fact, and had sex with me. I even tried to "get away" at one point, supposedly, although I'm sure it wasn't resisting the act so much as just wanting to roll over and sleep deeper. *snore*

The next day she told me about it. I'm sure I was supposed to be horrified and outraged, but actually I thought it was kind of funny. I was just bummed that I had missed the whole thing.

Was it "rape"? Well, technically, sure. As a man, I would never do that to someone. But she knew I wouldn't care. I found the thought of it kind of sexy, actually. So sue me.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

40. Well, sure, been through that too.

I wouldn't call it rape because I had expressed prior consent and was not upset about it afterwords. It's all up to the victim whether or not it's rape.

[Selatius]

37. It can be as easy for a woman as it can be for a man

Just slip drugs into his drink and wait for it to knock him out. Then she can force herself on him.

[MrSlayer]

42. Anally, yes.

But conventionally, no. You could not hold me down and force me to fuck you. If I'm not into it nothing is going to happen down there. It would be like trying to force a marshmallow into a soda bottle.

[Solon]

139. So I guess you are the only guy on planet earth that has...

absolute control over your penis?

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

44. ...

[kiahzero]

46. "..." pretty much sums it up. (n/t)

[Bonobo]

56. Either it's about violence or it's not. If it is, Women can rape as well.

[bridgit]

68. oh yes...

[Catherine Vincent]

92. Yes, I think so.

Although this is a movie, but did you see the scene in "Ricochet" with Denzell Washington? This prostitute drugged him and raped him.

[ecstatic]

94. My response is No

At least, not in the same way that a woman can get raped by a man.

The mental block I have with accepting the concept of "male rape" is due to the fact that some men can barely get erections for consensual sex, so why would a man keep an erection in a situation where he was not a willing participant. Wouldn't the force of such an act alone cause him to go "limp? "

[Guaranteed]

99. ALL HE HAS TO DO IS SAY "NO."

NO MEANS NO.

[ecstatic]

101. No has to be followed by physical resistance of some sort, fighting off

Or at least that's my understanding (assuming the victim is physically capable of fighting off the attacker). One cannot simply say no, then lay back without some sort of fight. I could be wrong, please forgive me if I am.

ETA: I am just referring to one type of rape, not rape with a weapon or rape of a minor/drunk/drugged person who cannot consent.

[Solon]

115. Actually, I don't believe that is true...

In many cases, social conditioning also plays in, some men simply CANNOT fight off women, period. I know this sounds odd, but in many cases, that's just the way it is.

[kiahzero]

137. You are incorrect.

If you've said no, and the other person has sex with you anyway, that's rape.

[Solon]

113. Actually the opposite...

In highly stressful situations, it isn't unusual for the man to go erect. In addition to this, the brain STEM determines arousal for men, so a man doesn't need to WANT to have sex to have an erection, indeed, they don't even HAVE to be conscious when they have an erection.

Ask any man if they have ever had to get up in the middle of the night to pee, and actually CAN'T because they are hard as a rock. Let me just tell you that that happened to me too many times to count, and it took almost a HALF HOUR to be limp enough to go. THAT sucks, especially when it feels like your bladder is about to explode.

[Cleita]

102. Interesting answers here, and a lot of people seem to think

of rape as one person physically overcoming the other so that it qualifies as rape. There are lots of ways to force someone to have physical, sexual relations with another person that they don't want to have sex with other than physical force. Consenting adults are the key here. The variety of sex acts that can be committed should be between consenting adults. If one party is being coerced in any way and not willing to engage in the act, then I would call it rape even if no physical force was used.

[Nikia]

105. I think that you are asking different questions

It is possible for a woman to rape a man, including sexual intercourse against his will. I disagree though that a woman can rape a man in the same way that a man rapes a woman. A man gnerally rapes by sticking his sexual organ inside of hers. A woman obviously cannot rape in this way. Maybe I am being picky about semantics, but this is an important difference and really explains a lot about why it is usually men raping women and not the other way around.

[DaveJ]

107. I voted no...

Although I think it's a rather dumb question, but I guess those who voted yes would think otherwise. (sorry for the attitude) :beer:

[leesa]

108. I can't believe 14% No to this!! Yikes! Just visiting the planet?

[DaveJ]

109. My 'rationale' for voting no....

...is that a woman can manipulate a man into having sex but not actually force him. Where is the crime in those situations? Blackmale... extortion? Depends on the situation. But it's not rape in the way I see it.

[TorchTheWitch]

110. How about a gun?

Woman pulls gun on man and forces him to engage in a sexual act with her against his will.

There ya go.

[DaveJ]

116. Okay...

That would be rape. But I am talking about more general circumstances. A woman could also drug a guy with a combined date rape and viagra pill too I suppose, but I thought we were talking about real social issues and not "tales of the weird".

Sometimes people have to "trade off" on what crimes they are likely to commit. For instance, in the case of divorced parents, the custodial parent is more likely to be guilty of child neglect. The non-custodial parent is more likely to be guilty of not paying child support. So not everyone is likely to commit the same crimes.

Being realistic is important here. For instance if people started believing spontaneous combustion is likely, a lot of real arsonists would get off. Maybe one out of every 1 trillion people may spontaneously combust but I don't think that should be a foundation for our laws.

[Solon]

123. What if it is just underreporting that is the problem?

Look, for the LONGEST time, women were almost NEVER considered as pedophiles, then all these high profile cases of women abusing young boys, in schools, came out, and sort of shot that theory all to hell. Couldn't this be the same thing? Just as for women its difficult to report rape due to ostracism, social pressure, and shame, its much more difficult for men to report rapes, committed by either men or women, even more so.

On this thread alone, two men so far mentioned their girlfriends of the time having sex with them while they were asleep/passed out. They don't consider it rape, however, what if it were a strange woman at a party that had sex with them, would they have taken that as lightly, even more disturbing, how often does it happen, especially at college?

ON EDIT: Just an FYI, Viagra isn't needed if the man doesn't have Erectile Dysfunction.

[DaveJ]

129. At this point I would need more evidence....

I am a lot older than college aged and never heard of a guy being raped while he was asleep, and I doubt whether it would be possible to organism while asleep which might also be a determining factor in my mind. IOW, guys cannot be penetrated so simple contact with the male member does not constitute rape, IMO. Okay maybe there could be some seminal leakage during this hypothetical encounter and if that were to result in actual sperm/egg contact then that would be a real unique circumstance, but not enough to make me vote "yes". Regardless of the incredibly rare possibility, I also do not think ghosts exists which puts me in the minority in polls like this.

Again, I thought we were talking about real social issues that should guide our laws and not scientific expressions. In other words, if a woman "raped" a guy while he was in a drunken stupor in college while he was asleep, the damn guy should pay child support and forget charging the woman with rape. There is no change in law necessary. The guy just lucked out. I am sorry but real life takes hold at some point where laws cannot protect us against every situation.


(PS I don't remember what my acronym IWO above stood for... :shrug:)

[Solon]

130. You fucking disgust me!!!

Jesus Christ on a cracker, the guy "lucked out"!?!? This isn't an opinion, this is saying a CRIME isn't a crime, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[DaveJ]

131. Personal insults are not necessary.

Yes, I said the "guy lucked out." Have you thought about it with a clear mind? If there an infant is created as a result of a guy being in a drunken stupor with a woman, he should be a man and take responsibility for that baby. Financial responsibility. The laws as they stand were not created by morons, even though our government currently is dominated by them. What do you want? For a guy to say he was raped and therefore leave the kid with nothing?

[Solon]

132. How about he REPORTS the rape ASAP and she has that...

child in jail, and he takes SOLE custody of that child. How's that for JUSTICE!

[Solon]

135. Also, another note, you assume such rapes are extraordinarily...

rare. One in six American women has been the victim of an attempted or completed rape, and 10% of sexual assault victims are men. Now, in most cases, the perpetrators of both are men, however, underreporting, as I mentioned before, could double or triple the amount of both sexes that are ACTUALLY victims, but never report it or mention it to others. Also, another note, the most underreported sexual crimes are those that are committed by women, against both sexes.

Source:

http://www.rainn.org/statistics/index.html

[QuestionAll...]

146. men should be club footed, stagnant and into the bitchin'. nt

[uppityperson]

156. Seems you are saying in order to be rape, must be penetration& pregnancy?

If there is no risk of getting pregnant, no rape? ("Okay maybe there could be some seminal leakage during this hypothetical encounter and if that were to result in actual sperm/egg contact then that would be a real unique circumstance, but not enough to make me vote "yes".)

There must be penetration in order to say someone was raped? ("guys cannot be penetrated so simple contact with the male member does not constitute rape") I guess that means there is no such thing as "attempted rape" even of a female since there might be no penetration? And oral sex doesn't count either I bet.

Also, that non-consensual sex for a male is "lucking out"?

WTF?

[Solon]

157. Not only that, but if the woman becomes pregnant, the victim...

must treat her like a queen, also, she is to never be punished for her crime.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2302165#2305534

[uppityperson]

160. Indeed, because, after all, all men dream of this scenario.

liberal use of :sarcasm: here. Some people...

[557188]

111. Boxes are fun!

Because all women are weak little flowers and could never ever dominate a male. A penis automatically means the person is stronger in all cases!

People that voted no are not progressives pure and fucking simple. It's not up for argument.

[DaveJ]

120. Normally you would be right.

I take offense at that. This is a democratic system and I voted "no" which is my right. I also support progressive ideas, which includes being able to debate your beliefs and accept the fact that not everyone believes the same thing.

[Solon]

112. You really lack imagination...

There's drugs(the date rape drug works on men too), in addition to using weapons(Knives, guns), etc.

[DaveJ]

133. You did not answer my question...

"Sorry Junior, I would pay for your college but instead I'm spending it on myself because your mom is a whore." Is that enough imagination for you? That would be a nice world to live in.

(typo edited)

[Solon]

136. I still have no clue as to what you are rambling about...

You mentioned that having sex with an unconscious man is NOT a crime, then get onto child support, which is a separate issue. Why would the rapist keep the child in prison?

[DaveJ]

143. Whatever, I must be a caveman then...

I have to work tomorrow so this is my last post. So fine, you win then.

A few parting notes. First, I never mentioned keeping the child in prison; not sure where you got that; I implied that a man should be responsible for any baby he made regardless of the circumstances; it may not be 'right' but it is 'realistic'. Second, if a man is so weak as to be physically overcome by a woman then that is a rare occasion; it's never happened to me anyway; that's not sexists but a physiological fact; as progressive as I am, I am not as physically weak as a woman.

If you want to get a woman in trouble for raping a guy while he is asleep (which seems unlikely to me but whatever) and there is no baby involved, fine, get her in trouble. If there is a baby involved be a man and take care of that kid and treat that baby's mommy like a queen.

But if a woman 'raped' you while you were asleep and there was no baby then what would a guy be upset about???

I answered 'No' because it is the most realistic answer.

[Solon]

145. You have no fucking clue what its like to be a victim...

why the fuck I'm wasting my time on someone of stupidity is beyond me.

[QuestionAll...]

152. and you have no clue of what hard roads many of us have walked.

and maybe don't like to share.

yes, I have a fucking clue of what it's like to be a victim.
but of course, yours is bigger and better.

[Solon]

153. I'm not being dismissive of yours...

So where the fuck do you stand?

[uppityperson]

158. What if she stuck a broom handle up his anus?

that is penetration and this happens to women too. But no baby, so maybe not rape (from what you have written)? I guess if someone stuck a broom handle up a guy's butt while holding a gun to his head, that is not rape because, after all, he could beat her in an arm wresting competition, maybe.

[BlooInBloo]

118. Can't answer - presupposition-filled question....

"the same way a woman can be raped by a man"?

LOL! That's just stupid.

I don't really understand why people are cowardly that they can't ask a question straight-up - they just *have* to load each answer with strawmen or unjustified assumptions.

Had the question been straight-up "Is it possible for a woman to rape a man?" - I woulda said yes in a heartbeat. So the cowardly pack-assumptions-into-question actually cost you a vote. Good job, genius.


EDIT: Corrected misquote and added commentary.

[Solon]

124. I don't understand your argument...

I assumed they meant force intercourse on the man, which is definately physically possible, for anyone who knows biology.

[BlooInBloo]

125. (shrug) You can assume all you want - why you expect me to...

... is beyond me.

[greyl]

142. I think fellatio would have to qualify.

I wonder what part of the 14% No votes is from people who believe men would never turn down sex?

[yurbud]

147. primary difference is emotional. For a woman, scars her soul. For a guy

It's like borrowing his favorite rechargeable power tool and draining the battery. So it bothers him, but it's like "Hey! I was going to use that later! Now I have to recharge it..."

The problem with comparing the two is that default answer to sex for men and women is different.

Women default to no, and have to persuade themselves or be persuaded to yes.

Men default to yes, and have to persuade themselves or be persuaded to no.

[Solon]

148. Fuck your attitude!!!!

See post 145!

[Poll_Blind]

151. What Solon said. n/t

PB

[demwing]

155. What IS that smell?

Oooohhh....it's the bullshit piling up.

[StellaBlue]

161. Remind me not to date any of the 116 men who have voted yes so far

What an idiotic poll.

I think I am going to be sick now.

[Heidi]

162. Locking.

This has become a flamefest.

Heidi,
DU Moderator