kerry - botox and orange face?

[sniffa]

in a discussion on another board, a conservative argued that kerry was a better candidate, but bush reLated with the common man better (that's the crux of the conversation - reLation to the common man, how the GOP was abLe to package bush as that and kerry as the antithesis) and in a passing breath said:

"Botox injections and makeup to look younger were obvious, and added to the facade angle. The orange face episode only accented it, drawing attention to the fact that Kerry's face was not his natural one."

i had the impression that this was just buLLshit from dregs of the internets, but after a trip to snopes (and finding nothing) and a googLe search that turned up nothing but RW bLogs/boards.

[JuniperLea]

1. God save us if Bush = the common man!

Quit reading that crap, sniffa! Think of your blood pressure! It's all lies.

[chat_noir]

4. and, sniffa quit posting this crap

:eyes:

We had enough of this shit during the campaign.

[LittleClarkie]

26. Look! Edwards is orange too!

It's a conspiracy I tell ya!

:eyes:

[bumblebee1]

49. Bush = common man?

Does that mean the common man is a complete moron?

[TallahasseeGrannie]

2. Why was he orange?

fake tan?

He's a nice looking man. He doesn't need botox.

And botox wouldn't help GWB. He's going to look the same regardless.

[catmother]

5. he's a nice looking man of "a certain age" and there's nothing

wrong with having botox to help you look better. would you rather see him with a frown? like bob dole -- remember that -- bob dole looked angry and then i think he got a brow lift or botox.

BTY - i'm scheduled for my botox tomorrow.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

11. Well good for you

although I have to tell you as a portrait artist, I groove on wrinkles. (no pun intended.) They give a face character and interest. I think I would have liked his looks better if he were less stiff. I think he's pretty good looking. GREAT hair.

[catmother]

18. i don't groove on wrinkles. but i'm not over-botoxed. my face

still has expression -- not like joan rivers -- don't think she can smile. lol

[TallahasseeGrannie]

20. She looks like a dead cat

I'm sure you have a bit more moderation

[catmother]

24. much more moderation. i look very natural -- just don't want

a frown that makes me look angry.

[awoke_in_2003]

27. I think it was something else

Bob Dole looked angry until he found Viagra

[ohio_liberal]

30. Heh

True dat :evilgrin:

[catmother]

31. thanks for the laugh. nt

[madokie]

6. yep no matter how you package it an asshole looks like an asshole

edited to add: bush*

[robbedvoter]

8. Fox was playing with the colors. He was fine on other channels.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

12. Oh that is so low

[robbedvoter]

44. Pretty much captured in a Simpsons episode where the Dem was

fitted on screen with a pair of horns and a tail and some unflatering description captioned under...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. Of All The Things Going On Right Now We're Supposed To Invest Energy

into whether Kerry had botox? I mean, sooooooooo don't care.

Tell the conservative to get a life, get a grip, grow up and figure out what's really important when electing the leader of the most powerful country in the world.

[TayTay]

7. I think this is more crap.

Kerry was allegedly orange two or three days before the first debate. Then at the first debate, ahm, he wasn't orange at all. I think that points to being photographed in bad lighting.

I also don't see the evidence of botox, as he has smile lines and frown lines and such. (Isn't that what goes when you get botox injections? I thought you couldn't get a full range of facial expressions? Besides, if you were Kerry, wouldn't you do an eye lift first and take care of the under-eye area? I mean really.)

Kerry has one of those faces that is full of angles and such. He can look different depending on the angle and the lighting. He looks better on the talk shows than he does in the Senate. Same guy, different lighting and camera position. I've seen pics taken on the same day that looked different. (Maybe he's been cloned and one is aging and the other isn't. Otherwise, I think it's just the lighting and the RWers are crazy or jealous.)

[Lars39]

9. Working from memory here...

iirc he did have *some* botox. The orange face was due to bad lighting.
Kerry was very tanned from his outdoor sports.
There used to be side by side pics floating around proving it was bad lights,
but I haven't seen them in a long time.

[peekaloo]

10. Didn't Lyne "Muffin" Cheney start that orange face shite?

if so she's just used to seeing a death pallor for skin tone in men.

[Flying Dream Blues]

22. Yeah, she should REALLY get to judge a guy for his looks. PULEEZE.

[blm]

13. Here's the facts - Media showed early campaigning pix next to later ones

when he had secured the nomination. The earlier pix showed a decidely worn looking Kerry.

What the media forgot or ignored was that Kerry had cancer surgery in Feb2003 and was still receiving treatment for a good 6 months after. The contrast in his appearance was typical of cancer patients. That's all.

Unfortunately the less mature aspects of the primary campaign pushed that whole botox thing using those pictures. Alot of it was done here at DU, even.

[elehhhhna]

14. Yeah, bigass scabs & roadrash on B*'s face is much more Presidential.

[JuniperLea]

19. Hahaha!

Good one, elehhhhna!

[LittleClarkie]

15. Pictures of him taken the same day showed no orange face

the lighting in one picture made it look like he had something on, but it seems unlikely. Drudge trumped it up, very probably. I have a picture of an orange John Edwards from a different day. No one ever suggested that HE was wearing something. It was just a trick of the light.

And the funny thing about Kerry's face is that it can look different depending on how much sleep he's had, and the lighting. I've seen him look very smooth and youthful, and I've seen him look kind of hangdog-ish, in too close a span of time for him to be getting treatments and then having them wear off. His face also gains and loses wrinkles depending on whether or not he's lost weight or gained it. During the campaign, he lost weight, after the campaign, he gained it back. Really seems to depend on the day.

Also, I suspect, Drudge used pictures from when Kerry was getting radiation treatments for cancer, and then pictures of him after the treatment when he'd filled out a bit.

[Der Blaue Engel]

16. First, bullshit

Second, if it weren't bullshit, this would be a reason to vote for a war criminal with a third-grade vocabulary instead?

Anybody who used that logic when going into the voting booth needs to be slapped into unconsciousness...oh, wait, that would be redundant.

:eyes:

[FreedomAngel82]

17. It's just so ridiculous

and to make Kerry look like he's a rich snob which he isn't. If you watched any of his campaign rally's you'd know that or get to know him as a person. Same thing with Al Gore and him being "too stiff" or "too serious." Kerry is an athlete and keeps himself in shape. He does all types of sports from hockey and bike marathons to water sports. Kerry's always been good looking.

[Generator]

21. With all the shit that's happening to this country this is what you are

concerned with? Man,just watch "dancing with the stars!" or something. It's about as relevant.

[sniffa]

23. thanks for adding your response

[...of J.Temperance]

25. Show them pictures of Junior with his Man Tan and Grecian 2000 hair

We know Junior has fake tan and has his hair colored. One time Junior will be white and all blotchy and his hair will be gray and white...and then the next day Junior will be all tanned and his hair will be dark colored...and then the next day Junior will be white and blotchy and his hair will be gray and white.

So obviously it's fake tan that washes off and it's hair coloring that washes out.

So show this person some pictures of Junior with the Man Tan and Grecian 2000 hair and then another picture of Junior when that's all been washed off and washed out.

[SoCalDem]

51. show them this one

[Just Me]

28. Hell, if I had the money, I'd "botox". I'm sure Laura does it!!!!

MUST I AGE GRACEFULLY?!?!?!!!!

,...no,...

:D

[LittleClarkie]

29. I don't think that was botox

Sometimes she looks like an eye lift gone terribly, terribly wrong.

[Just Me]

35. LMFAO!!!

:rofl: True!!! SOOOOO true!!! :rofl:

[catmother]

38. no you don't have to age gracefully. but botox is very expensive

and it only lasts 4-5 months.

[Lorien]

32. Botox? Er, no-I get Botox to control migraines

just a couple shots between the eyebrows stops migraines for up to six months (I highly recommend it for migraine sufferers), but it also immobilizes that part of the face. I challenge anyone to find six months worth of tapes where part of Kerry's face was frozen.

[Cleita]

33. Fer shure. Two guys from fancy families, both went to Yale

and belonged to "Skull and Bones". That surely doesn't make Kerry a commoner, but it doesn't make Bush one either.

They picked the dumbest one in the litter to front their plan because he was like the people they were trying to impress. They wanted a dumb ass that would appeal to dumbasses.

Being common had nothing to do with. it.

[wisteria]

34. Bush wears makeup for the camera- check out the rosy cheeks

when he give his SOTU address. Actually, most people opt for some makeup because the lights are so harsh.
I do not believe that Kerry does botox, and even if he did, how come people like Arnold Schwarzenegger- who obviously has had more that botox treatments and Ronald Regan, who had the most rosy cheeks and permanent tan of any President I have ever seen, are given a pass?

[LittleClarkie]

37. You forgot Reagan's shoepolish-colored hair

Did he EVER allow himself to go natural with the hair?

An 80 year old man with black hair just didn't look right.

[wisteria]

52. How could I have forgotten about the hair-LOL. n /t

[DanCa]

36. Oy votting on botox. How do these people walk and chew gum?

So they destroyed America just because they didn't like someone having a "legal" cosmetic procedure. I don't know if President Kerry did or didn't but I tell ya I am sick of people votting for superficial factors rather than see who gets control of the supreme court.

Hell my Aunt Beverly told me she voted for the shrub because Dubya likes horses. I turned back and fired at her, so that's a good reason to put social security in danger, and keep our soldiers in harms way in a fraudulent war. She hasn't talked to me since.

[WildEyedLiberal]

39. OMG how ironic

Actually, Dubya IS TERRIFIED of horses. It's true! He has a "ranch" but has publicly stated that he is afraid of horses. If I ever run across the quote, I'll pm it to you to show your aunt.

[WildEyedLiberal]

40. dupe, replied to wrong post

[WildEyedLiberal]

41. John Kerry is beautiful

And I have seen him up close - he does not at all look like he's had any cosmetic procedures done. His skin is the skin of someone who loves being outdoors, and his face displays none of the signs of botox use (see Laura Bush for botox overkill). He clearly takes good care of himself, but then again, that's why he looks 20 years younger than his age.

[LittleClarkie]

42. Ahem

[WildEyedLiberal]

45. Exhibit A

I rest my case, Your Honor.

:evilgrin:

[Vektor]

55. John Kerry is ACHINGLY beautiful.

Even more so up close...and he's extremely tall, and JAY-ZUS does he smell good.

Edited to add: :wow:

[leesa]

43. If Bush is indicative of the commona man, God save us all! Why do these

idiots not notice he's a preppie asswipe?

[jmowreader]

If "makeup use" is how we select presidents, how did we get Bush?

Bush wears a TON of makeup--except for eye makeup, he wears as much as any woman on camera.

Yeah, Kerry wears makeup. Edwards wears it. Guess what? They go on television--where it's required. God help you if you go on television with a bare face.

I don't see the botox thing the freepers complain about.

[OhNoTheyDidNot]

46. I think Kerry's weird speech pattern turned people off - I think the same

about Gore. They are both more than qualified to be president than Bush ever dreamed about but both of them had this weird speech impedement that made them look almost foolish to fat redneck middle american. Obviously, americans aren't electing people on thier ideas or intelligence .... just thier looks. As long as their elected officials are running on 20 brain cells just like them, then hell, vote em in, they must be a good ole boy.

[LittleClarkie]

47. And yet, I'm in Middle America

and Bush sounds foolish to me.

I will admit, during the campaign, I occasionally found it difficult to listen to Kerry. That's why I noticed when he was pissed. And still do.

He was much easier to listen to when we hit the "2 months to go" mark in the campaign. He hit his stride then. We may never know if it was enough, unless we find out at some point how many votes Bush stole.

It still sticks in my craw how the Repubs gloated after that election, while simultaneously touting themselves as pious Christians. Um, can't quite picture Jesus gloating, guys. Ya sure y'all are Christians? If you have to suppress the vote to win, there is NOTHING to gloat about. And yet they did.

[OhNoTheyDidNot]

48. If you saw gloating then you should have watched cspan today. They

are worse than ever and people calling in are gloating like thier team has won the world series. ps, I agree with your post 100%

[Vektor]

56. Not me...

I find Kerry's voice to be rich, deep, incredibly masculine, and sexy as hell. He sounds like an American Alan Rickman, and good god, is that hot.

I could listen to him all day. Oh, yeah wait, I DO listen to him all day...

It's Bush who sounds like a stupid, stuttering redneck.

[blm]

57. TV media PURPOSELY dumbed down America over the last ten years.

Americans used to treasure the intellectual gifts of their leaders and the elegance of their speeches.

Media keeps telling them now that they don't want that.

[sandnsea]

50. PIcking on a cancer patient

About as classy as picking on war veterans. :eyes:

Sniffa, I can't even believe you bothered to give that more than 2 seconds of your time. THAT is what is wrong with our party.

[blogslut]

53. is a fake tan and botox

...worse than a nose job?



I'm just asking ;)

[Vektor]

54. Drudge's bullshit photoshop...

Why this is even coming up again, who the hell knows.

He was never orange. That was RW BS. From someone who has worked in a cosmetic dermatologist's office and has literally seen 1000's of Botox patients, I can tell you, he is not using the stuff. Not that there's anything wrong with it. If done right, it looks quite nice. Who gives a shit if people want to look better, anyway? It's no crime.

I saw John Kerry just last month, up close, in good lighting, for an extended period. He's gorgeous. Very naturally so.

[ComerPerro]

58. That argument translates to "I am a BushBot moron"

There is nothing more to it.

[SammyWinstonJack]

59. Yes, because it's things like this that really matter!

:banghead: