How on earth is Allen still up by 5% in Virginia?

[Quixote1818]

I caught 20 minutes of the Sean Hannity show today and he had John Zogby and Chris Rasmussen on. Dem's are leading in races we never would have dreamed we would be competitive accept in Virginia????? How on earth can this be???? I thought the deer head in the mailbox would be the nail in the coffin. Is Virgina that back-wards???? If these allegations came up in New Mexico where I live, Allen would have been toast. What is going on in Virginia? What is wrong with that state?

On a positive note they had Harold Ford leading and the Dem pulling ahead in New Jersey. On another negative note, Lieberman was starting to pull away in Conn.

[OhioBlue]

1. last I heard the VA race was even

I wouldn't trust Hannity's spin on anything.

[Quixote1818]

3. John Zogby gave those numbers today. nt

[BurtWorm]

86. Gallup has new numbers showing Webb within 3 (48-45)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/live/2006-10-05-virginia-races.htm

[Oceansaway]

2. .

i dont think he'll win in the end...jmo

[HysteryDiagnosis]

4. A gravitational anomaly?? 5% would make him 'bout 10

pounds lighter... on second thought, nevermind. This didn't work out nearly the way I had hoped.

[tridim]

5. He's not.

If you're watching MSNBC you'll know why.

The GOP has hit the iceberg today and the ship is doomed to sink.

[Quixote1818]

6. If Allen goes down, Dems will take the Senate. nt

[tridim]

9. I think we're going to get a good margin too.

Pat Buchanan just said the GOP doesn't deserve reelection. PAT BUCHANAN!

[Quixote1818]

11. Didn't Pat Buchanan endorse John Kerry?

At least his conservative Magazine did.

[bigdarryl]

7. What do you expect in VA.

They don't care as long as he has a R in front of his name

[ContraBass Black]

19. Come visit VA sometime.

[LostinVA]

69. Your statement shows you no nothing about VA

and its political makeup.

[bigwillq]

8. It depends which polls

you listen to in CT.

The Quinnipiac poll had LIEberman up double digits but in another poll (Zogby?) had Lamont within the margin of error.

[Boomer]

10. Only parts of Virginia are civilized

I work in Virginia and lived there for about ten years before running across the border to another adjoining state. The level of racism and religious conservatism nearly singed my eyebrows the first year I was there.

I moved from New York City to a small town in Northern Virgnia, not that far from Washington, and the first week I was there the KKK distributed leaflets on everyone's porch. You rarely saw black people shopping in the downtown area or eating at local restaurants. And I remember there was one -- ONE! -- black teller at the local bank, and she was the only black employee in the entire downtown.

So, at first I assumed there simply weren't that many black people living in that town... until election day (back when Clinton was first running). I was volunteering at the polling station and saw hundreds of black people enter to vote that day. People I'd never seen before and never saw again. They lived in town, and in the county, but obviously were made to feel not welcome IN THEIR OWN COMMUNITY.

So no, I'm not surprised George Allen is still in the running.

[marmar]

20. I agree. There's the N. Virginia extension of Washington D.C.....

a few urban areas like Norfolk, and then there's Ole Virginny. :scared:

[LostinVA]

70. Wrongo

Charlottesville is incredibly, incredibly Progressive and blue, Richmond city is usually blue, and there are many, many purple parts of the state. Many good liberals and Progressives live here.

I am originally from NJ, and lived in NC for 17 years, and this is the most liberal place I've ever lived. The part of NJ I grew up in is KKK/Freeper Central.

[Leopolds Ghost]

80. I don't know if I'd call Fairfax civilized

Affluent yuppie suburbanites who mostly employed by the war machine...

The Republican-owned media-industrial complex, and corporate lobbying HQs being a secondary occupation.

Lots of engineers who used to work for CACI, SAIC, or the Internet corporations centered around MAE-East... I guess they are the least compromised individuals capable of living in Fairfax. Besides the hordes of immigrant health-care workers and restarateurs, of course. Many of whom are kept out of local politics (see: Herndon, Virginia, a "quaint, southern-style town" that is majority hispanic, though you wouldn't know it for all the ex-military types and horse country wannabes that control politics there...)

[never_get_over_it]

51. What place near DC in VA did you live

I lived in Northern VA for over 20 years until just two years ago and there were all kinds of diversity there - my neighborhood was practically a United Nations - I guess it depends on what you mean by close to DC - but Fairfax County is very diverse...

I've moved to central FL and am in culture shock - I've had seven different racist incidents in two years and truthfully I can only remember one in all the time I lived in VA....not to say there isn't racism but the folks in VA are smart enough to keep their damn mouths shut - unfortunately here in Brevard county they haven't reached that level of intelligence....

[theHandpuppet]

55. Fairfax County is little more than a D.C. burb

Try further west along the Blue Ridge. I do know that the area to which the previous poster was referring was the Frederick county /Warren county area of Virginia. I doubt you could find a more xenophobic, racist example of Virginia's version of a 21st Century antebellum south. The fact that George Allen is an ignorant racist probably gave him a bump in the polls in western Virginia!

[Boomer]

56. Close as in 90 miles away

Fairfax is basically a suburb of DC, heavily urban in outlook, but I was over a couple of counties in rural Clarke and Frederick counties. Still within commuting distance for lots of folks, but a different culture.

Rural Virginia is insular, xenophobic, racist and religiously conservative. Which is not to say that every rural Virginian is all of these things, but rather that an uncomfortably large portion of the population embraces those "values."

If you're basing your views of Virginia on Fairfax, then no, they don't match my experiences. (Same for the comments of another poster to this thread, who lived in Richmond.) That's just one face of Virginia, and the most visible. When you've lived and worked in the Shenandoah Valley, not just used it as a bedroom for commuting to DCs urban culture, you see another and much darker face. Take the back roads and you'll see the jaw-dropping plantation mansions surrounded by tumble down houses of the poor people who work for the ruling class. You'll see segregated communities that equal those of the deep South. You'll see porches with Confederate flags flying and little black jockey statues.

I also lived in Front Royal for few years, and that was one of the most creepy, xenophobic towns you could ask for. A co-worker of mine moved there when she was 8 years old (she's now over 50), and her family was NEVER accepted because they were "newcomers." My partner and I also had some bad experiences being gay in that conservative community, although again, that was only from some people, not from all people.

[never_get_over_it]

60. Thanks

I understand now - I hate driving so I would never characterize 90 miles as close - that is only about 15 miles less for me than going to Richmond - I know unfortunately there are two very different worlds in Virginia - as a matter of fact I NEVER EVER said I live(d) in Virginia - I ALWAYS ALWAYS said I live(d) in Northern Virginia - and even if whomever I was speaking to didn't get it - I did.....

and since I'm a damn Yankee I never really wanted to be associated with the South - and then I stupidly up and move to Florida - which I really mistakenly thought that there would be enough transplants here to make up for it - I was wrong - I'm sure there are pockets of FL that would be better for me - but unfortunately I probably can't afford them....most likely shoud have stayed in Northern VA - live and learn.

[Leopolds Ghost]

65. The Shenandoah Valley is one of the most historically conservative

Parts of the USA, dating back to before the Civil War.

The entire Great Valley, extending from upstate New York, through Harrisburg PA and Hagerstown MD, down the Shenandoah valley, through Knoxville area (and the home of the Southern Baptist Conference) into Alabama is a different world from the rest of the South, or the mountains to the north. It is far more conservative than the Appalachians of SW Virginia where Webb and Warner draw support. It is also far more conservative than the Piedmont rednecks and First Families of Virginia that populate horse country between Leesburg, Charlottesville and Roanoke. The Great Valley was settled all at one time by scotch-irish "border-dwellers" and they hate, hate, hate Democrats.

[bobbieinok]

84. and by Mennonites from PA

See Abrahan Strickler and other PA Mennonites who settled near what is now Luray in Page county.

[kwolf68]

68. FRONT ROYAL, VIRGINIA

I live there right now...And am desperately trying to get the hell out of there. Your last paragraph

"I also lived in Front Royal for few years, and that was one of the most creepy, xenophobic towns you could ask for. A co-worker of mine moved there when she was 8 years old (she's now over 50), and her family was NEVER accepted because they were "newcomers." My partner and I also had some bad experiences being gay in that conservative community, although again, that was only from some people, not from all people."



---hits the nail so on the head.

George Allen wins this seat, because I have no faith in Virginia.

[Joe for Clark]

12. If it comes out of that guys mouth - have

more than second thoughts.

And I'd also say, there is no one in this country that can begin to project the November results -

Really, truly. Just how many people, do you think, might say one thing on a phone interview and then not show up at all. I don't believe too many dems would do that right now.

Joe

And PS - Lieberman can screw himself. It is sad for me to say, I think Hagel is a better "dem".

[whistle]

13. Virginia = racism

[Joe for Clark]

16. I have been on Broad Street at 3 am -

Its not.

Joe

[Boomer]

18. Broad street?

Is that supposed to mean something?

All I know is that a group of friends of mine from Philly came to visit one summer when I was living in a small town in Northern Virginia. One of them, who happened to be black, had been out on our front porch and came back with a wry grimace on her face. The local po-lice were cruising up and down the street, slowing down each time to check out our house.

Gosh, a BLACK person was on Main Street! Very suspicious, ya know.

She has never visited us again. Go figure.

[Joe for Clark]

22. It should.

Broad Street - the equivilant of Wilshire Boulevard to me. Its the "main street" runs thru Richmond and thru Petersburg for that matter.

It is Virginia.

I was born on the Ohio river and grew up in LA. I am catholic and my last name ends in a vowel.

These are not "high survival" things going into the south I understood.

The first time I came away from the place, I had a very high opinion about the south. It really was a new south. Especially as I understood things there.

Yeah, I've been on Broad Street at 3am - promise you something - do what I did off the 10 freeway - anyplace there - you won't have such a good view of things.

Joe

[Ken065]

29. Actually

Broad Street runs East-West, and doesn't go near Petersburg. You may be thinking of Rt. 1 (Jeff Davis Highway) which was the main North-South route until I-95 was built. That being said, Broad St. is the main downtown street.

[Joe for Clark]

31. Hmmm.

Broad St runs to the freeway you have to hit to go the ten odd miles to Petersbug - -they paralell.

You are right about the I-95 -

Anyway, there is a Broad St that runs thru Petersburg - got lost there a few times.

Joe

[LostinVA]

72. Philly=racist

I grew up close to it, I know many people from it, and people who still live there. They are appalled at the racism inherent in the town. They say it's getting better, but it's still very bad. Much worse than anyplace I lived in NC (Greensboro, Fayetteville, Wilmington, Shelby) or here in VA. I grew up 40 minutes from Philly, and THAT was the most racist place I have EVER been to.

Do you know how racist areas of NL, MASS, etc. are???

[Boomer]

85. This isn't a competition

The point of this thread is not to figure which is the most racist state in the Union, but rather to explain why George Allen is still likely to win the Virginia election.

Perhaps my friend was simply more accustomed to Philly and found the racism less threatening than she did the same attitude in a strange place. Dunno. I just know that she made it clear that she was not driving this far South again.

Her call, not mine.

[LostinVA]

71. Parts of any state=racism

I live close to an area that's one of the most liberal and Progressive towns in the whole United States.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

14. Here's a link to some polls

http://electioncentral.tpmcafe.com/#block-views-breaking_polls

[Iwasthere]

15. WTF

In that link here's the numbers for Foley/Negron? 43% I DON'T THINK SO!

FL-16 Const. Dyn. Oct 4 Mahoney (D) 50%, Foley/Negron (R) 43%

[kerry-is-my-prez]

17. This other one says Mahoney is ahead by 7%

FL-16 Const. Dyn. Oct 4 Mahoney (D) 50%, Foley/Negron (R) 43%

[TahitiNut]

21. The CT-5th has a Foot Fetish!

Johnson & Murphy? :eyes:

[NewJeffCT]

45. It would be huge if Johnson lost

She's been in Congress for like 24 years and has a nice, kindly grandmotherly image...

but, she is currently running a vicious negative campaign right now - because she has no record to run on.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

23. Here's all the Virginia polls - only one had them even - back on the 29th

Guess Virginians want a racist pig to represent them...


VA-SEN Mason-Dixon Sept 29 Allen (R) 43%, Webb (D) 43%

VA-SEN Rasmussen Oct 2 Allen (R) 49%, Webb (D) 43%
VA-SEN SurveyUSA Sept 29 Allen (R) 50%, Webb (D) 44%
VA-SEN Zogby Int. Sept 28 Allen (R) 49.1%, Webb (D) 43.5%
VA-SEN SurveyUSA Sept 27 Allen (R) 49%, Webb (D) 44%

[Joe for Clark]

25. So,if they don't on November 7 - you will have a higher opinion??

Virginia is a neat state - I don't have much of an opinion about the rest of the south. But I could live in Virginia.

Joe

[Quixote1818]

30. I have visited Virginia and I thought it seemed like a great state

These poll numbers are very surprising to me. I hope you are right and Virginia shows it's true colors and votes Allen out!

[Joe for Clark]

33. I don't buy those poll numbers.

Virginia is a neat place. Nice people. Decent people.

I really like the state.

Joe

[Boomer]

57. You've only seen one part of Virginia

Every state has neat people, decent people. But Virginia has enough not-so-neat, not-so-decent people to legislate harsh discriminatory laws against gay people.

It's not enough to outlaw gay marriage, they've gone a step further and outlawed anything that even approaches the benefits of marriage between two same-sex individuals. So my employer is PROHIBITED from offering partnership benefits, which they previously offered. As a result of Virginia's "decent" people, my partner no longer has medical insurance.

So forgive me if I don't share your liking for Virginia.

[Leopolds Ghost]

66. There are plenty of nice Democrats in the Piedmont who happen to be

racists.

They don't talk about it much.

They only vote Dem when they encounter someone who won't "coddle inner city welfare queens." They have no problem with social programs that benefit poor whites. Some of them will even vote for a socially conservative black man like Douglas Wilder!

Then you habe the Shenandoah Valley border-dwellers who hate Dems, and still blame Roosevelt for "stealing their land" to create a park. They commute to DC at 2 AM every morning but refuse to live ANYWHERE "over the mountain".

A few isolated rural areas such as the Appalachian panhandle are full of self-described poor whites that vote Dem.

Southside Virginia votes Dem only on the strength of the black vote -- whites in places like Lynchburg and Virginia Beach include a huge proportion of fundamentalists and Reaganite big-military types. Norfolk and Newport News have become more moderate thanks to shipbuilders and navy transplants.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

42. Sorry - I should have said "The majority of Virginians"

A little bit more than half of them.

[Joe for Clark]

48. I understand.

Lets see what really happens next month.

Joe

[toadzilla]

24. I lived in VA for a short time

the deer head stunt was probably the best publicity he could have had down there.

[Joe for Clark]

27. I don't think so.

Joe

[Quixote1818]

28. I remember Mike Malloy saying this wouldn't hurt him a month ago

I thought Mike Malloy was full of crap on that but I guess I under estimated Mike. Malloy was spot on in predicting it would have little effect on the race. Unbelievable!

[LostinVA]

73. Where did you live?

[enki23]

26. it's not like being a racist hurts you much in the red state south

.

[Justice Is Comin]

32. That's not what I heard from the Cook Report and Brookings

yesterday on C-Span and they have been consistently some of the most accurate in election history.

I don't even want to tell you what they really said, I don't want to jinx it.

[mtnsnake]

34. I'm surprised it's not more. Afterall, it IS the bible belt, isn't it?

[LostinVA]

74. No, VA isn't considered part of the Bible Belt

Much of it has very Mid-Atlantic traditions and "values."

[katamaran]

35. It all comes down to rural vs. urban

Allen plays well in rural areas like the Eastern Shore, Shenandoah, the Northern Neck, Danville, out towards Tennessee....and in Loudon County in northern VA, which is where all the rich Republicans are moving to because Fairfax is getting too blue.

Webb will do well in any area with at least a 30-40% minority population...Norfolk, Portsmouth, Hampton, Richmond, most of northern VA, Roanoke. Those are the population centers in VA. Virginia Beach and Chesapeake will be very iffy because of the large military pro-Bush population. Lots of active duty as well as retired military there...as well as a healthy dose of rednecks in the southern parts of the cities. I think the Navy is the most pro-Bush (mainly because they're not the ones dying), and Hampton Roads is a major Navy town. If Webb can get the military vote, the state is his.

[LostinVA]

75. Bingo

[Ksec]

36. Well

One can only assume that there are lots of Virginians who like that allen is a racist. My apologies to those in Virginia that dont . What else could it be?

[Ksec]

37. BTW Im in Ohio and its not much different so..

[Joe for Clark]

39. Where in Ohio??

Joe

[Ksec]

41. East Central between Pittsburgh PA and Youngstown Oh

I live in a heavily Dem area, luckily.

[Joe for Clark]

43. I could tell you were from back east - in the best way.

I was born in Beaver Falls, PA.

Joe

[Ksec]

44. Salt of the earth people

Beaver Falls puts out some great football talent. Friday nights are really great round here.

[Joe for Clark]

46. They did - "Joe Namath" and all that.

We got transplanted to LA when I was young.

But I learned, maybe the hard way - I trust and love those people along the river valley.

I learned - your car breaks down back east, people are gonna help you. And god help you if you break down on a freeway in LA. Really.

Glad to meet up with you,

Joe

[LibDemAlways]

52. "God help you if you break down on a freeway in LA"

I've lived in the LA area for 46 years and that's an absolutely true statement. No sense of community here. More like survival of the fittest or luckiest.

Saw a guy trying to change a tire on the 101 the other night in an area where there's not much shoulder. A CHP car was right behind me and even he didn't stop to help. Must have been a Krispy Kreme at the next off ramp!

[kwassa]

82. this is urban vs. rural thing, not Virginia vs. Los Angeles

The pressures of urban life make people less openly friendly to one another. Much of the Southern charm is in it's rural politeness, but much of that, in historic hindsight, is hypocritical in nature, a cover for brutality and oppresion towards minorities.

Virginia is just plain wierd, and as a Marylander, the politics are pretty incomprehensible to me. The Republicans fight it out with each other in different backwards factions. And if we can't judge it by its House of Delegates, who can we judge it by?

By the way, my ex-girlfriend, as a little girl, was in a car driven by her mother when they got a flat on the 101 in Los Angeles. Granted this was many years ago, but the talk show host Steve Allen stopped and changed their tire for them.

[countmyvote4real]

38. Virginia is for Lovers of Racism n/t

[LostinVA]

77. Whatever -- you are totally showing your ignorance

of a very diverse electorate and population, including many, many liberals. The last two governors have been Democrats.

Go to a rural area of the bluest state, and tell me what you'll find. The same thing as you'll find in a rural area of any state. Go to any university town or urban area in any state, and tell em what you find.

The House of Delegates is NOT a good rule of thumb to judge Virginians on -- many, many, many of them are louts from very insular, rural areas.

[countmyvote4real]

83. You must be from NOVA.

As such I can understand the offense that you took from my "ignorant" remark. But STATEWIDE, Allen still polls ahead of Webb. Please explain. I will not be offended by hand puppets if they are required to educamate me.

[TheFarseer]

40. He's an incumbent with alot of money

Also, not very many people care about racism above the other issues. In fact, in states like Virginia, people will often times rally around anyone accused of racism because they hate admitting race is an issue at all in this country. Personally, I'm amazed macaca had any effect whatsoever on this race. That's pretty much my take.

[Disturbed]

47. Bigots, homophobes and racists will vote for a Rethug.

Allen left CA because he wanted to live in a state where there were an abundance of his kind of people.

[Joe for Clark]

49. Or

maybe he IS just as dumb as he appears.

Joe

[Sensitivity]

50. Advertizing WORKS --- Truth does not hold much sway

[Mr_Spock]

53. Not sure I want to visit Virginia if the people are that stupid

There's always a few percent of hardcore racists everywhere, but enough to swing an election?

:puke:

[williesgirl]

54. Loudoun & Prince William counties went for Kaine (D) for Gov for

first time ever. Things are changing all over VA, except the southern part of the state. I agree Webb needs to get a good part of the military vote to win. And those men and women aren't allowed to say things publicly.

I live about 45 minutes west of Fairfax - moved from there several years ago when I retired. We're in the mountains and it's still pretty red here. From overhearing things in checkout lines, etc, it just may be achanging out here too!

This Foley mess may be the proverbial straw though. Lots of bible thumpers here - churches are packed weekly. Mostly Baptists. I have to drive 25 miles to find a Catholic church.

[LibDemAlways]

58. The Foley mess will keep a percentage of the

electorate who'd normally be for Allen home. I hate to write this, but there are probably some anti-semites who will stay home, too. As a former Navy Secretary (under Reagan, no less) and a Vet, Webb ought to get a big chunk of the military vote. Allen got 17% of the African American vote last time. That won't happen this year. I think it's still a toss-up and with a month to go, who knows what additional past indiscretion may yet come back to haunt Allen. He's got more skeletons that a graveyard.

[sofa king]

59. A Virginian Replies

I'm a Virginian, and my father was a Virginian, as was his father and his father before him. I've splashed at the confluence of the Shenandoah and Potomac rivers. I've swam at Virginia Beach. I've lived inside the Beltway and outside of it. I've gone to weddings in Christiansburg, Snowville, Blacksburg, the Army-Navy Country Club and Paris, GWAR shows in Richmond and Charlottesville, and I've sat in traffic everywhere. I've tried to pee on every single tree, too, but that's another thing.

So take it from me when I say, Virginians are fucking morons.

Our large cities and centers of learning harbor bright islands of hope, but for the most part, it's as far away from us as the dark side of the Moon. Virginia supplies a vast army of ignorant motherfuckers, engaged in all sorts of embarassing walks of life like 700 Club couples, moonshiners, Klansmen, paramilitary separationists, Larouchies, conservative think tank thinkers, horse breeders, and so on--in whatever way you wish to explore your inner asshole, Virginia already has a national headquarters of the assholes just like you. Every pissant hole in the wall village in the state has a "black part of town" and it's just fine to call it that without ever wondering why it is so. The state vehicle is the Ford F-150; the state religion is worship of the Washington Redskins; the state news organ is Rush Limbaugh and the news crawl during NASCAR races.

We are lucky that so many Virginians are so ignorant that they still don't know that George Allen, asshole, is the son of George Allen, Redskins Football Coach. "There was a coach before Gibbs?," they say. The 5% lead you see is the one out of twenty Virginians who asked that question and had it answered.

A note to my fellow Virginians: if you can read this far you're obviously not a fucking moron. Unless you skipped straight to the end just to read the part in italics first. Ha, ha.

[LibDemAlways]

61. That's a grim assessment. So the best we can hope for is

that a significant percentage of the knuckledraggers forget to vote or get lost on their way to the polls while the non-assholes show up in droves.

Out of curiosity, how did Warner and Kaine get elected?

[sofa king]

62. The X-Box and the X-Box 360, I think.

I think those two devices were instrumental in keeping my fellow Virginians away from the polls in those years. However, this year the PS3 appears to be delayed until after Christmas, which may negatively affect voter turnout by adding to it.

[Leopolds Ghost]

67. Sofa-king, you are my favorite poster.

An acquaintance of mine lives in the Blue Ridge and is the classic "hill folk" conservative Dem. "God Bless America, NASCAR and Hooters!"

I don't think he supports Bush, though.

And there are a fair amount of NON-racist rednecks in Virginia, just so you know.

There's Cooter, for one thing, with his attempts to "reclaim" the Confederate Stars n' Bars.

[underpants]

78. Ben Jones

"Cooter" tried to run against Eric Cantor back in 2002 I think it was and he got ZERO support from the Dems in state or otherwise. I live in Cantor "country" western Henrico-one of the top 5 most conservative districts in the country or something like that. Basically Cantor (Bliley before him) represent the West End against Bobbie Scott and "the city" (wink).

By the way Ben Jones was a Congressman at one point. He lost an election in the Cobb county area of Georgia to...........Newt Gingrinch.

[sofa king]

79. I love all of you, too.

Even my fellow Virginians. Maybe especially Cooter.

[Boomer]

64. Yup, that about covers it

Most people are familiar with the urban areas and mistakenly assume that represents the state as a whole. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

But then, I grew up in Austin, Texas, so I'm familiar with the urban/rural dichotomy. Austin was like living on the Eastern seaboard; but drive just a few miles in any direction and you're in TEXAS.

I left as soon as I could.

[underpants]

76. LOL

That is too good. That is the front runner for post of the year so far.

And true.

I'm not a Virginian by birth (Ohio) but I have lived here pretty much since I was 6. I have splashed water around Belle's Island when it was a gay haven I have sailed the York and the Bay and the Ocean I have dipped into Smith Mountain Lake while living on a campus in Ferrum (that's about all I can say I did there) and so forth....and I completely agree.

Amazingly dumb. Almost like they are trying to prove something to Mississippi and the DEEP south. And they do love some museums and headquarters around here. Hell this place is so redneck they sold the state fairgrounds to NASCAR!!! they only hold two races there a year and both are WHITE!!! (my joke pretty funny huh?). A CROWD showed up to meet David Duke at a Mall AT A MALL!!!!

Does anyone remember the whole Ashe monument thing?- whoo boy that was a mess. The statue itself looks like Arthur (who hightailed it from this city sooner than possible) looks like he is going to beat those kids with the tennis racquet AND the book.

Anyway I could go on and on.

I just saw the first Webb ad yesterday so in spite of a deluge of Allen negative ads (he backed off wanting an "issue" campaign one day after the two minute Hail Mary TV spot) and local coverage that so badly favors Allen that it is sickening and Webb is just now getting on CNN (right now) and he still only trails by 5 that is excellent. I'll take that any day.

[SoCalDem]

63. Selective polling

remember..

if you have a cell phone as your only/primary number or you have an answering machine/service or you are gone to work in the prime calling time, you will probably not be polled..

The ones they are likely to reach are probably older folks who still answer their phones themselves and who are available most of the time..

and I'm sure polling companies "carefully select" the zipcodes/area codes they want to call..to ensure that they get the results the people who pay them are after..

[newsguyatl]

81. b/c virginia is full of rednecks

richmond and below --> fahgetabout it!

[Name removed]

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[SCRUBDASHRUB]

88. Pardon me, but I don't appreciate the stereotyping of all Virginians.

I was born in Hampton Roads and now live in Richmond. There are many DUers here from VA who don't appreciate those sentiments (we are not rednecks, pedophiles, etc.). WTF?