WH asked to name any Dem who doesn't want to wiretap terrorists

[sabra]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/04/AR2006100401707.html

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"One hundred and seventy-seven of the opposition party said, 'You know, we don't think we ought to be listening to the conversations of terrorists,' " Bush said at a fundraiser for Rep. Rick Renzi (R-Ariz.) before heading to Colorado for gubernatorial candidate Bob Beauprez.

Asked about the president's statement, White House aides could not name any Democrat who has said that the government should not listen in on terrorists. Democrats who voted against the legislation had complained that it would hand too much power to the president and had said that they wanted more checks in the bill to protect civil liberties.

Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) called Bush's comment outrageous: "Every member of Congress, from both parties, supports listening in on terrorist communications, but the president still hasn't explained why we have to break the law to do it. It is time for the president to stop exploiting the terrorist threat to justify his power grab."

White House spokeswoman Dana Perino defended Bush's remark as a reasonable extrapolation of the Democratic position. "Of course, they aren't silly enough to say they don't want to listen in on terrorists, but actions speak louder than words, and people should know what the Democrats' voting record is," she said.

[Hosnon]

1. Self-delete: Misread article.

[Double T]

2. The rovian CAMPAIGN word twisting has begun.............

Dems need to grab the microphone and shove it down the rethugs throat!!!

[bryant69]

6. well, actually it's ben going on for a long time

But this is particularly egregious.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[Double T]

8. I should have added the word 'campaign' word twisting has begun......

and I will. Thanks for pointing this out.

[jbnow]

18. I expect opponents to get negative

not that I like it but it has been that way for some time.

But I don't recall other presidents being as bad as bush is, slamming the other party in misleading ways that make them sound so horrible, sound like the enemy. Have I just forgotten?

I haven't read your link yet and maybe it answers some of that. Even if he sends his minions to speak that way it is especially horrible to hear the president do it, horrible.

I wouldn't want a president in my party to demonize the opposition with half truths and smears either, it isn't just bad because it is being done to us. It's shameful though he is shameless.

[Dhalgren]

3. So, basically, the WH admitted that Bush lied, but then said,

"So what?" This is beyond unbelievable...

[Subdivisions]

4. Perino:

"Of course, they aren't silly enough to say they don't want to listen in on terrorists, but actions speak louder than words, and people should know what the Democrats' voting record is,"...

in response to Bush:

"One hundred and seventy-seven of the opposition party said, 'You know, we don't think we ought to be listening to the conversations of terrorists,' "

I'm so sick of these fuckers....

[magellan]

5. Three words: GET A WARRANT

Repugs are good at only one thing: twisting the truth to cover up their non-compliance with the law.

[Canuckistanian]

22. I don't understand why this is such a difficult concept

Go ahead, spy on terrorists, knock yourself out, just get that piece of paper that's signed by a judge.

And why can't the press just ask the right questions? This is NOT about spying, it's about OVERSIGHT.

And fergawds sake, stop calling warrantless spying a "program"!

[Ignacio Upton]

33. They can get one RETROACTIVELY

Sadly the public could care less whether or not warrants are obtained. HOWEVER, if you explain that warrantless wiretapping is already legal if a warrant is applied within 72 hours (under FISA), then I think people would be more tuned in to what Bush is doing.

[Demit]

7. Kudos to whoever asked the president to name who said it.

And kudos to Russ Feingold for saying succinctly what the Dems opposition was actually about. And thank you, WashPo, for printing both.

[seabeyond]

9. the action that is so LOUD is bushco is a lyin sac of son of b*tches

pigs

[rodeodance]

10. "remark as a reasonable extrapolation" and the same time she says

that NO dem has said this.

Idiots!

[rodeodance]

11. REC

[eShirl]

12. Bush lying AGAIN? what a shock (n/t)

[Nabia2004]

13. Say it! Its about spying on critics and the political opposition

Lets be real, spell it out. Its been going on since Jan 2001, and the result must be one hell of a blackmail list..

[Zenlitened]

14. That is EXACTLY the right response: "Name ONE, Dubya. Name me just ONE."

Let alone 177.

Bush is the filthiest little liar EVER to occupy the White House. And that's saying something.

:mad:

[truthisfreedom]

15. "actions speak louder than words" is an excuse to lie? wow, so i guess it

truly is time for us to start lying about rethugs. after all, their actions speak so much louder than words that i'm deafened.

[Jack Rabbit]

16. Bush is lying, as usual. Feingold is spot on.

We don't think Bush ought to be listening to just anybody without a warrant. We don't think Bush has to or should go on a fishing expedition just to find terrorists.

And we don't don't trust Mr. Bush not to use these powers he claims for other purposes, most of which have more to do with politics than fighting terrorism.

[Marnieworld]

17. Senator Strawman said it just last week

I can't believe they get away with such lies.

[pinto]

19. Kick. Name one, enough with the innuendo. Good answer.

[sabra]

20. but but but Bush has a list of 177, and you want just one?

:sarcasm:

[pinto]

21. LOL. Yeah, this is in the "some people say" vein. Glad to see it

brought up in the mainstream.

[wicket]

23. Translation: Stop with the fucking strawmen, Bush!!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[nealmhughes]

24. This is taking the "Democratic obstructionist/enabler" theme to a new low.

I have never heard or read a single word from anyone who has a problem with the US intelligence agencies eavesdropping on terrorists. As a matter of fact, the only thing that has ever been debated is whether or not the FISA mechanism for use in the USA ought to be applied as law mandates! Acts of Congress duly signed by the President are the supreme law of the land. Case closed. Not open to interpretation or "signing statement" wordtwisting.

What little credibility BushCo, Inc. ever had is gone. Gone without even a whimper.

Quite frankly, call me a barn-burner, a bomb-thrower, or Cromwell renewed, call me a sans-coulotte, or a sans-razoir, I don't care. The Republican Party must be driven from power and the Democratic Party purified.

Personally, I vote for raising the red flag and calling for the General Strike to begin!

[helderheid]

25. I'M NOT A TERRORIST!! Hey that would make a good t-shirt

[Donald Ian Rankin]

I don't have any problem with the wiretapping of terrorists.

If you can prove that someone is a terrorist, then by all means use that proof to get a warrant to wiretap them.

[Disturbed]

27. Warentless Spying is a Felony!

The FISA Law was violated at least 30 Times. Why has no one been charged with these crimes? The Pres. has admitted that he has comitted crimes. Isn't America a nation of laws? Aren't criminals supposed to be charged with crimes? Is this Pres. above the Law?

[Donald Ian Rankin]

26. I don't have any problem with the wiretapping of terrorists.

If you can prove that someone is a terrorist, then by all means use that proof to get a warrant to wiretap them.

[bobbieinok]

28. sounds an awful lot like McCarthy's 'I have here a list...' (Coulter's fav

favorite senator)

[sandnsea]

29. I like that, Name ONE Democrat

I like that, for all sorts of these crazy accusations they make. Who the hell are they talking about.

Way to go Russ!

[spanone]

30. These folks have dismissed 'truth' from their vocabulary.

[chill_wind]

31. Bogus Strawman-- He resorts to this big-time. A lot has been written

about his use of this. Me-- I'd just call them fabrications and lies.
He got away with these constantly in 04.
He still does....

Making Hay Out of Straw Men

By Dana Milbank
Tuesday, June 1, 2004; Page A21

For President Bush, this is the season of the straw man.


It is an ancient debating technique: Caricature your opponent's argument, then knock down the straw man you created. In the 2004 campaign, Bush has been knocking down such phantoms on subjects from Iraq to free trade.

In a speech on May 21 mentioning the importance of integrity in government, business and the military, Bush veered into a challenge to unidentified "people" who practice moral relativism. "It may seem generous and open-minded to say that everybody, on every moral issue, is equally right," Bush said, at Louisiana State University. "But that attitude can also be an excuse for sidestepping life's most important questions."

No doubt. But who's made such arguments? Hannibal Lecter? The White House declined to name names.


more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A4757-2004May31.html

The President And The Straw Man
(Page 1 of 2)

WASHINGTON, March 18, 2006

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/18/politics/main1419363.shtml

NEWSWEEK FLAGS BUSH STRAW MAN RHETORIC. President Bush loves to beat on straw men in his speeches, so it was great to see Newsweek's Richard Wolffe and ...

http://www.prospect.org/horsesmouth/2006/09/post_356.html

"YahooNews and others are highlighting a piece on the AP wire by Jennifer Loven entitled, “Bush Using Straw-Man Arguments in Speeches. ..."

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2006/03/bush_using_straw-man_arguments/


Bush's tyrannical speeches

June 27, 2006
I AM an American and have just read "Bush aims to silence Europe's chorus of disapproval" (24/6).

Bush is quoted as saying: "Some people say that it's OK to condemn people to tyranny. I did not believe that it was OK to condemn people to tyranny..."

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19603274-5002101,00.html

[Tatiana]

32. And we should be thanking Keith O for calling Bush out on those comments.

nt

[PsychoDad]

34. The solution is simple....

Senate and the House as well as staffers should be wiretapped and Elected officials should receive a vigorous water boarding and sodomizing with a flashlight once a month to insure that nothing untoward is going on.

After all, now, without habeas corpus, they're all as guilty as hell until we decide they are innocent.

Peace.