OUCH: New Reuters Poll - Lieberman 53% - Democrat Lamont 33%

[jackstraw45]

http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=politicsNews&storyid=2006-10-05T110406Z_01_N04391119_RTRUKOC_0_US-POLL-SENATE.xml

CONNECTICUT - Sen. Joseph Lieberman, running as an independent, has a 53 percent to 33 percent lead on Democratic anti-war challenger Ned Lamont. Lieberman, a three-term Democratic incumbent, lost the party primary in August after Lamont attacked his support for the Iraq war.



LOTS of work to do folks. I guess the people of Connecticut support George Bush/Lieberman...UNBELIEVEABLE!!!!!

:puke:

[Ian David]

1. Anyone know which pages worked for LIEberman?

I've already donated the legal maximum to the Lamont campaign.

The rest is up to you guys.

[ShortnFiery]

2. I don't believe it! They just want us to give up. NO!

This poll is bull shit!

Drive on fellow Ned Lamont Supporters, "All the Way!"

We Will WIN! :hi:

[BlueEyedSon]

3. god is that depressing. what is wrong with those people?

[Tesha]

58. Privileged Pork Perks are Powerful Persuaders.

One reason our current system sucks is that, to bring
home the maximal amount of pork, your political repre-
sentatives must have substantial seniority. And once
you *HAVE* a rep with seniority who's reliably bringing
the pork home, you're loath to get rid of them, no
matter how badly they may stink in every other way.

Plus, there really *ARE* lots of Republicans in
CT. It ain't exactly a poor state, you know.

Tesha

[Freddie Stubbs]

75. Democrats in the Senate could have taken away Lieberman's ability

to being home pork by stripping him of his committee assignments. They chose to hedge their bets and allow him to continue serving as a Democrat on those committees.

[rockymountaindem]

4. Why is this a surprise?

Lieberman has the support of a lot of independents, all of the Republicans and probably most of self-described moderate Democrats. Is it any wonder that he's ahead?

[jackstraw45]

6. Because he supports Bush who, supposedly has a 39% approval

The Dem election strategy appears to be link with Bush.

Well, Lieberslime LINKS himself with Bush happily and is ahead.

[rockymountaindem]

12. That's what happens

when you bring in your residual Democratic supporters who have been with you for years, then shed the Democrat label and become the "more conservative" candidate in a state where the Republicans might as well vote for you because their guy hasn't got a chance in hell. The only way Lamont could have won was if the Republicans put up a strong challenger and split the moderate/right vote with Lieberman. The Republicans did the smart thing and decided to support the man who in their view is the lesser of two evils.

Rather than demonstrating the amount of support for Bush, maybe this is just demonstrating the amount of support for a moderate incumbant.

[Perky]

18. I am not the least bit suprised.

Leiberman has organizational strength if not the part appartus.

With such a weak GOP candidate evyone other than Anti-war types were bound to flock to Lieberman. because they know and have trusted him for 18 years.

[bdamomma]

23. yup, people will forget whatever stand he has but just

because he has held the office for what 18 years, they considered him a comfortable shoe in. Geez, get some new blood in there.

Just like RI Chafee has been there so long, they want to keep him there, give Whitehouse a chance huh? what are wrong with these people. bitch and moan and don't want to change anything.

[WI_DEM]

40. you're right his coalition includes way too many Dems and Indies

who should know better.

[npincus]

5. SHIT

[AndyA]

7. What the hell is wrong with people in Connecticut?

Are the Dems there not repulsed by what Lieberman has done? He has defied the Democratic Party, ignored the will of the people, and been a door mat to George Bush and the GOP. WTF?

Reminds me of the comment Glenn Close made in The Stepford Wives when she commented what better place than Connecticut to put a town full of robots where people wouldn't notice?

[Freddie Stubbs]

16. Unfortunately, Democrats are a minority in CT

Lieberman only has to win the votes of independents and Republicans to get reelected.

[WI_DEM]

38. Yes, but with Lieberman still getting a third of the Dem vote it is

going to be difficult for Lamont to win. Lamont to win needs to take at least 80% of the democrats and a plurality of Independents.

[AX10]

8. Lieberman does NOT represent me!

I'm voting for Ned!

[Double T]

9. Think about this ugly senario..........

Lieberman wins, then 'officially' switches from Independent to rethug party.

[shadow 99]

10. If he wings big time; you could be right. NT

[Occulus]

30. I predict that is EXACTLY what he will do if he wins. n/t

[elehhhhna]

11. poll fraud MUST precede vote fraud...at least THIS time.

[Freddie Stubbs]

14. Connecticut doesn't use electronic voting

[philb]

17. you have got to be kidding

are we going to gay-bash lieberman now????

you people are really starting to piss me off

FOCUS--------FOCUS---------FOCUS

in case you aren't paying attention, we are trying to win a majority in congress THIS YEAR

take a deep breath and get with the program

[me b zola]

63. What are you talking about?

Gay bash Lieberman? :wtf:

We are supporting the Democratic candidate--Ned Lamont


You take a deep breath and get with the program.

[Iwasthere]

24. Thats right! Poll fraud

That is the only way that the vote fraud will work. If the polls show Lamont 10 points ahead a month from now then Joe wins, hmmm... "we better figure out a way to make the polls look close" I know it would be difficult to do but....

[elehhhhna]

43. A Polling co just got busted for this last month!

"An employee of a company that conducted campaign polls for President Bush, Sen. Joe Lieberman and other political candidates pleaded guilty Tuesday to making up poll results, according to the U.S. Attorney's office," says the Boston Globe. "Darryl Hylton, 42, of Hamden pleaded guilty before U.S. District Judge Janet C. Hall in Bridgeport to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud ... He that he directed other DataUSA employees to falsify results in a variety of ways, including changing demographic information, such as gender, to satisfy client requirements." Interesting, that bit about satisfying client requests.

http://post-gazette.com/earlyreturns/

[rinsd]

51. Okay.

That case dealt with internal polling so I don't see how that is relevant.

My issue with this poll is that based on only 600 people and the MOE is 4.

[LoZoccolo]

62. I can't believe you're even trying to make that comparison.

A private polling firm taking grave shortcuts in delivering their client's product is way different than systematic coordination of election fraud with polling firms.

[elehhhhna]

71. right. and only one evoting company is dirty too, huh?

[Freddie Stubbs]

73. Connecticut doesn't use electronic voting

[LoZoccolo]

61. How will you ever be able to tell if your candidate genuinely lost? n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

74. Perhaps in a state without electronic voting, like

Connecticut.

[elehhhhna]

13. NO CONCESSIONS UNTIL FULLY SATISFIED WITH RESULTS

Joe Deceiverman slams attacks on Hastert as "too partisan"?

[alcibiades_mystery]

66. There's a winning strategy...

:eyes:

[mmonk]

15. Obviously, too many there are thinking in the past.

That's bad since CT is supposed to be the constitution state.

[bigscott]

21. i dont believe this poll

I have seen hundreds of Lamont signs on lawns and yards - NO LIEberman signs - and I live in a rural, conservative (libertarian perhaps??) area of the state. LIEberman is getting pug votes - dont blame the dems. I truly believe this race is closer than 20%

[mmonk]

31. I'm not placing blame.

Independents are the key and looks as if some are a Lieberman lean.

[Freddie Stubbs]

64. Most recent polls have had Leiberman ahead by only 10%

Rasmussen

Lieberman: 50%

Lamont: 40%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/October%202006/ConnecticutSenate.htm

Quinnipiac

Lieberman: 49%

Lamont: 39%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11362.xml?ReleaseID=964

[bdamomma]

19. Geez, what is going on in Connecticut

what's happening with Ned Lamont. Come on you guys, that many people like Liebermann's BS.

[BurtWorm]

20. What is the appeal of Lieberman? I don't get it.

He's less appealing as the seconds tick by.

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[BurtWorm]

28. He's never been appealing to me. Ever.

I voted against him and for Lowell Weicker in 1988 when I lived in Middletown. I was sorely disappointed when Gore chose him as his VP candidate. I voted for Gore, not for Lieberman, in 2000, but I did try my hardest to look the other way at all the shit he pulled during the election--his interrupting Stephen Hawking's praise of Gore's techno-savvy via satellite during the convention; his refusal to give up his Senate seat, his piss poor debating performance, his unilaterally ceding the illegal unmarked military ballots to Bush after the election. But when he said, in the summer of 2001, that the Ninth Circuit decision that the phrase "under God" in the Pledge was unconstitutional was the "worst court decision in memory"--just months after Bush v. Gore!!--that was it for my tolerance for Traitor Joe.

[calico1]

25. Well, it would have helped Lamont if

Democrats like Dodd, the Atty. General and other state Democrats came out and publicly campaigned for him or put some ads out in his support. They expressed "support" when he won the primary but since then the silence has been deafening. Plus a lot of people in CT don't necessarily love Lieberman but they know him. It drives me nuts but that is how a lot of people think.
I also think that a lot of Republicans will vote for Lieberman not because they like him (a lot can't stand him) but because this is a rare opportunity to stick it to Democrats.

[MrCoffee]

26. Well duh...what's the other repub polling at?

[Freddie Stubbs]

72. 4%

http://elections.us.reuters.com/?src=100506_0615_FEATURES_elections_2006

[magellan]

27. Connecticut was also very indulgent of the Loyalists

...during the Revolutionary War.

[Blackhatjack]

29. DEMs missed the boat on this race bigtime, they should have...

...immediately announced after the Primary win by Lamont that if Lieberman won he would not retain his seniority within the Democratic Caucus and would lose his committee assignments. If he wins and wants to caucus with Dems that would be ok, but he would have no more authority than any other independent.

THis would have pushed Lieberman to embrace Republican backing, pushing him into the Repub column and not drawing Dem voters to him instead of supporting Lamont.

I think the reason Lieberman is polling so high is that people there have the local interest in mind, thinking with his seniority intact he can do more for them than Lamont.

The Democratic Party created this mess by not supporting its nominee from the start, and trying to play both ends against the middle.

You know Lieberman is going to have a lot of favors to repay Bush/Rove Repubs if he wins, so you might as well move him into the Repub column as a practical matter when it comes to voting.

[jackstraw45]

32. DNC misplay an election? Nahhh...

:sarcasm:

[LSK]

33. another person with NO CLUE ABOUT THE DNC

THE DNC DOES NOT CONTROL CONGRESS.

The DSCC would be where this decision would come from. HARRY REID, NOT HOWARD DEAN.

LEARN WHAT SOMETHING FUCKING DOES BEFORE CLUELESSLY RIPPING IT.

:grr: :grr: :grr:

[MrCoffee]

41. I'm with you, LSK...let's kick the hell out of Harry, not Howard.

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[LSK]

53. PARTY STRATEGY from the DNC involves 50 States

Winning local elections, building up the party on a local level.

NOT whos on what Senate Committee.

I guess you missed all those threads about Dean fighting with DCCC and DSCC regarding who gets what money.

[philb]

37. and therein

lies the problem. lieberman supported the war against terror............bushbot supported the war against terror............bushbot + lieberman = we hate a good democratic senator (fuggetabout vp candidate)

Editorial: Joe Lieberman is a Democrat. You fanatics may push and push but Joe Lieberman will always be a democrat.

He may not hide behind the (fake) flag of progessiveness, but he will always be a democrat, and when he wins his seat, he will seak and find peace in the democratic party.

so.........kiss my ass

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[philb]

50. and once again

you could star in "Clueless II"

[Coexist]

68. He sure likes the elephants, though:

Republican Donors Spend To Push Lieberman Closer To The GOP
http://www.allheadlinenews.com/articles/7005049599

Top Republican Aids Lieberman Fundraiser
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/21/AR2006092101006.html

I've grown from merely disliking his politics to hating the fact that I voted for the fucker at the bottom of Gore's ticket.

[MrCoffee]

54. Unless he runs as an Independent because he lost the Democratic primary

Oh, wait...

[Cha]

59. lieberman is a lyin' piece of shit

and we Democrats do not claim him anymore than he claims us. lieman is now officially the party of joe lieberman.

[WI_DEM]

42. exactly, Bill Clinton saying this is a "win-win" situation for dems

is telling dems that it's ok to vote for Lieberman.

[GreenPartyVoter]

34. Is this among dems or the voting public at large?

[jackstraw45]

35. From the link:

"The polls of at least 600 likely voters in each state have a margin of error of plus or minus 4 percentage points."

[GreenPartyVoter]

39. So then Repbs must also favor Joe??

[MrCoffee]

52. Of course they do...their official candidate doesn't have a chance,

but their unofficial candidate is kicking our guy's ass in the polls.

[Freddie Stubbs]

67. Yes, and he is getting a lot of support from independents, who are

the largest voting block in the state.

[WI_DEM]

36. To me this poll is an outliar every other poll is much closer

We'll have to see if other polls show this. To say the least it is disappointing.

[Freddie Stubbs]

65. Other polls have it as a ten point race

Rasmussen

Lieberman: 50%

Lamont: 40%

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/October%202006/ConnecticutSenate.htm

Quinnipiac

Lieberman: 49%

Lamont: 39%

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11362.xml?ReleaseID=964

[napi21]

44. As I understand it, Ct. ismostly Independants. Joe has the support of

all the Pubs because theircandidate is such a jerk, andapparently also is garnering the support of a lot of the Inds. It's the Dems who do't want him, but they are a minority in Ct. I don't know if there's anything Lamont can do to change this. He DOES have a month!!!!

[philb]

46. oh yeah......

CN has a long history of independence

i heard last week that the stae had a meeting of independent minded voters and all 12 of them showed up


nfetp/sarc.........still on

[philb]

49. gotta regroup

too emotional

CN = CT

stae = state

and since i am here doing some minor corrections...........let me remind the politically challenged, the goobers didn't create an independent lieberman, WE DID.

but yet, the faithful (me) believe in honest men and i am certain that Joe Lieberman will find it in his heart to forgive all of you belly crawlers

[BurtWorm]

69. Belly crawlers!?

:eyes:

Name one good thing about Joe Lieberman.

[kwolf68]

48. Lieberman is in

Repukes will vote for him just to keep LaMont out and a few Dems will vote for Leiberman...this seat is lost in my view. Ned LaMont won't win. This was the risk of knocking off the power-mad Leiberman to begin with.

He ran as an I because he knew he had a voting block (Republicans) as a fall-back crutch and he would merely need a scant percentage of the Dems.

While some say Joe is a Dem, the fact of the matter is he will now govern even more as a Republican because it will be those people who put him into power. The Rep is tracking 6% of the vote....if it was Lamont/Sleshinger or even Leiberman/Sleshinger, Schelsinger would still be getting at least 25% of the vote...but with Joe in the race, his number is at 6%, indicating the Repukes will prevent LaMont from taking the Senate.

These are the exact type of moves that always backfire on us. Oh well.

[lebkuchen]

55. At least he'll be free to be Bush's puppet

rather than having to fake it, as in the past.

[Blackhatjack]

56. Is It Likely Schlesinger Will Withdraw Or Be Sabotaged by Repubs to...

...squeeze out the 6% he is polling among REpubs for Lieberman?

As long as the polls show a comfortable margin for Lieberman, I do not see this happening. However, if it tightens up I could see Rove pressuring the Repub candidate to withdraw or there being a personal attack on him which Rove would end up making it look like a Democrat operation.

[Freddie Stubbs]

57. There was pressure on him to withdraw before the primary, but

he stubbornly stayed in.

[rinsd]

70. Doesn't matter the party apparatus was pulled both at state & Fed level

He has no money, no support and GOPer are telling republicans to avoid him like the plague.

Nothing that the weak GOP in CT would like to do more than put a thumb in the eye of liberals supporint Lamont.

[progressivebydesign]

60. This was no shock to me.

While I don't agree with it... Incumbents are popular with their constituents. The ousting of Lieberman was a cause celebre for the liberals, but they really didn't give much thought to how it would affect the district. Now they know. The moderates out there, that outnumber the liberals, are what's driving these numbers.

As much as a dislike Lieberman for his Bush ass-kissing, he's apparently done enough good things to be popular in his own district. I never really understood the vicious turn against him this year... but I guess we call all look at that poll and remind those that are supposed liberals that verbally abuse Democrats for voting for the war, that all you're doing is ensuring more republican control. Shades of Nader vs. Gore = Bush.

[Marr]

76. This is an improvement, no matter who wins.

I'd prefer Lamont win, of course- but even if Lieberman keeps the seat, at least he won't be able to put his fucking "bi-partisan" stamp on every fascist move the GOP makes. He's no longer a Democrat. He hasn't been a Democrat for a very long time, but now it's official.

[B Calm]

77. It's republicans saying they are voting for Lieberman.. The dems

who are voting for Lieberman need to wake the FUCK UP!!!!!!