"2 More Republican Members About To Get Swept Up In This Foley Thing?"

[kpete]

FROM: Kevin Drum

RUMOR CENTRAL....Ray LaHood has publicly called for ending the congressional page program because "some members of Congress betray their trust by taking advantage of them." It seems like LaHood might be using the word some advisedly:

As the scandal over former congressman Mark Foley entered its sixth day, one Republican warned that there may even be further disclosures involving other politicians. "People are very, very concerned," said Representative Ray LaHood, an Illinois Republican. "They think there are going to be more disclosures." http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article1799448.ece

Hmmm. A friend emailed this morning to say that he's heard "there are two more Republican members about to get swept up in this thing." Is LaHood hearing the same thing?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2006_10/009666.php

[JuniperLea]

1. Let the kids stay and keep the pervs out I say

This is ass-backward!

[krkaufman]

20. Exactly! Ending the Page program is NOT the answer.

... baby with the bathwater.

If we cannot trust the Congresscritters to keep their hands and leering eyes off the pages, what the hell *can* we trust them to do?

[Virginia Dare]

2. The conservative fundies have heard the same rumors...

according to this thread from yesterday, there will be others...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2544123&mesg_id=2544137

[undeterred]

3. They should keep their "members" to themselves

or else they should be locked up.

[hippiechick]

14. THANK YOU

Hastert's perspective on this is like saying let's not allow ranchers to raise cattle anymore because dammit, people are going to eat steak if they have access to it!

If these grown men can't keep their hands out of the cookie jar and just do the jobs they
were sent to DC to do ... then their lame asses should be eliminated, not the Page Program.


:spank:

[Bridget Burke]

50. Sometimes the jokes just write themselves. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

4. Is he saying the Pubs want to end the Page Program so the guilty guys

walk away?? What is this dude saying...?

Would it be better to improve Guarding the Pages ??

[ProgressiveEconomist]

39. Pages are potential witnesses to Hastard's coverup

better keep them far from DC and from each other

[Pathwalker]

5. This is similar to what Lawrence O'Donnell said last

night on Scarborough, but he said that the number was...FIVE! that a Gay Republican Congressman was going to be outed each week until the elections. :evilgrin:

[wake.up.america]

6. What does being gay have to do with hittin' on pages?

[ellenfl]

9. it doesn't matter. repugs are going to (try to) make it a gay issue. eom

[sui generis]

15. and everybody knows exactly WHAT a cabin boy was for....

and those captains, while into "buggery" in the absence of more desirable alternatives, were certainly not "gay" in any modern sense.

These poor republican fuckers just can't get a date with a woman. They really ARE pathetic.

[Kajsa]

16. Thank you!

Too many people assume pedophiles are gay.

Pedophiles molest children, male and female.

This is insulting to gays!

[Clark2008]

45. And the vast majority of pedophiles are otherwise heterosexual

in their adult relationship, btw. Just heard that yesterday morning from a sex crimes law enforcement officer on a talk show.

[Pathwalker]

27. You'd have to ask the Republicans for the answer to

that question, since the last statistic I heard was that over 90% of pedophiles and child molesters are heterosexual. From everything I've seen and heard, they're trying to spin them as the same thing, which is sad.
Lawrence O'Donnell said that it would be the gay alliances that would be outing these men, because they are very angry with these men voting against them - all for the sake of personal power. They want them out of power, and if it embarrasses the Republicans - all the better. I guess the idea is to show America their hypocrisy.

[wake.up.america]

40. The percentage of gays who are pedophiles...

is a lot lower than those who are straight.

[magellan]

46. That's true, just look at the statistics

1 in 4 girls are sexually molested before the age of 18, while 1 in 6 boys suffer the same fate.

Since the overwhelming majority of pedophiles are male, if most were gay, those statistics would be reversed.

[Pathwalker]

51. Remember Colorado and Pennsylvania?

Those monsters weren't gay, either. I dare say the percentage of heterosexual predators far, far outweighs gay sexual predators, as has been proven many, many times. Then, there's Mary Kay LeTourneou(sp?), and that blonde teacher from Florida.
And, even though what Foley did was horrible, I am absolutely terrified by what happened in Colorado and Pennsylvania - a hideous new trend in school shootings. Puts Foley in a truer perspective, to me anyway.

[MagickMuffin]

7. Could this lead to the Cunningham, Faggo, Wilkes, Poker Parties?

I had also heard there was more members involved and it would probably be breaking soon. I think if there is more exposure then things are really going to heat up.

[Jack Rabbit]

8. Why? Were they harrassing pages at the poker parties?

I thought they were just checking out hookers.

[Janice325]

10. Ouch!

Good one, Jack. :rofl:

[MagickMuffin]

28. That's why I asked the question

I'm not sure of everyone who attended these "Poker Parties."

FYI: Hookers can be either sex. And I've heard that Duke-Stir liked boys also, so it would seem like it would be an ideal situation for them. That kind of bonding creates a certain amount of loyality.

That was one of g. Liddy's ideas for Democratic candidates. Rent a boat, invite some Dem's to a party with booze and girls. They were going to have the boat rigged with two-way mirrors so they could film everything taking place, and if the Dem's got out of line he would blackmail them. I don't think they carried out the plan. Or perhaps they decided it was easier to buy loyality by blackmailing the members within their own party!

Who knows?
I want to see pictures or video....Damn It!
Then I would know for sure what was going on while our country was faced with the double standards of the Repubs.

[bobbieinok]

34. that was Liddy's plan to blackmail democrats in the 72 election, right??

This was stuff that came out during Watergate---the extensive GOP plans to derail the democrats in 72,

[MagickMuffin]

41. I believe you are correct

I watched a program the other day about Nixon and his group of thugs. It mentioned a lot of the details that I was not aware of or had forgotten.

John Dean thought Liddy was an A*Hole... although John would never say it quite like that, but you could tell that was what he thought of Liddy....

[David Zephyr]

36. Great point, MagickMuffin! The Poker Parties need to be spotlighted.

Thanks.

[maddezmom]

48. I posted just this topic yesterday....Foggo, Goss, Cunningham,

and it sunk like a rock. :( I think this scandal goes deeper than just the pages.

What else does Kirk Fordham know? Cunningham, Foggo, Doyle
This could just be the tip of the iceberg of what he plans on telling the FBI today.

Onetime Loyal Aide Now Stands to Undermine GOP
Former staffer Kirk Fordham says he'll tell all to the FBI in the Foley case, poising him to take on the leadership he once served.

By Peter Wallsten and Tom Hamburger, Times Staff Writers
October 5, 2006


WASHINGTON — For 20 years, Kirk Fordham was a loyal staffer and strategist — rising from his early days as a Capitol Hill intern to the coveted post of chief of staff to a senior congressman.

more:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-fordham5oct0...



Ousted CIA No. 3 Is Target of Raids
Foggo's Home and Langley Office Swept in Corruption Probe
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/20...

Hookergate, Cunningham, Goss, etc
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/008376.php

Homeland Security official arrested in child sex sting
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/04/homeland.arrest/


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2318253

[Phredicles]

11. *fingers crossed* Imhofe, Kyl, Brownshirt...?

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ClassWarrior]

12. Senselessbrenner?

NGU.

[Parche]

23. sensengoober

It cant be him, he is such a Willy Whiner,


I just got email from Bryan talking about the Holey Moley Foley scandal and why Sensenwhiner
hasnt responded!!

[KamaAina]

19. All three are Senators, scarily enough

I think by "members" LaWhiteHood meant House members.

I do rather like "Brownshirt", though. :rofl:

[Jack Rabbit]

13. A concern

One is innocent until proved guilty. That needs to be underscored in a time of hysteria.

The GOP congressional leaders, perhaps with White House complicity, are deliberately attempting to stir up homophobic hysteria to cover themselves for their own inaction. Their case rests on the false premise that all homosexuals are child molesters. That is a lie and they know it is a lie.

It appears that GOP leadership will stage a purge of gay members from congressional staff and even the membership of Congress. Then they will go to their base (and base is a good word for it) sand say they did something to fix the problem -- they threw homosexuals out of Congress.

Once again, they will have played the part of the demagogue and violated civil liberties for political gain. They will have accomplished nothing else. Once again, they will have capitalized on voter ignorance in an attempt to remain in power, an attempt that what we should most certainly hope fails.

They may out a few gays, even from their own ranks, but will they out any sexual predators? I am not concerned whether this member of Congress or that staffer is gay. That's nobody's business. I am concerned whether he is a sexual predator. That's everybody's business. Once again, I would like to impress upon Rush Limbaugh, Jim Robinson and the other promoters of hysteria, it isn't necessarily the same thing.

The fact is that Foley was not covered by gay congressmen and staffers because he is gay, but by the Republican leadership because he is a Republican. They are the ones, regardless of their sexual orientation, who should be losing their jobs over this horrible affair.

[Raksha]

17. That sounds like the way the Catholic Church reacted

to their own pedophile scandals.

>>It appears that GOP leadership will stage a purge of gay members from congressional staff and even the membership of Congress. Then they will go to their base (and base is a good word for it) sand say they did something to fix the problem -- they threw homosexuals out of Congress.<<

And it's going to be every bit as credible. Oh, some people will be fooled, but they are part of the kool-aid drinking base already. You can't fool ALL the people ALL the time.

[davsand]

18. This is more GOP anti-gay stuff to provide a distraction, IMO.

They are using it as a distraction, IMO, and we all are being swept up into it.

The deal with the internet sex is all about distracting the public from the fact that they KNEW it was happening and covered it up. If the media is feasting on the whole "GAY" angle they are sure not looking at the fact that the GOP leadership knew about this stuff and not only let it continue but actively worked to cover it up. This is the GOP equal to "Look! It's Haley's Comet!!!"



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[Jacobin]

26. Somehow I don't think they are thrilled with this story

This could be an excellent opportunity for the gay community to communicate with and educate the general public that pedophilia, or using your position in a job to seduce teenagers is NOT a gay/straight issue at all, and that pedophiles by and large are straight, NOT gay.

Anyway, this is a runaway freight train and nothing is gonna stop a good sex scandal with the reporters

[Pacifist Patriot]

22. Agreed.

[meldroc]

25. That's my concern - it can get REALLY ugly for the gay community.

Since the fundies and right wingers are constantly pushing the meme "homosexual == child molester", there's going to be a huge clamor to crack down on all gays, lesbians, bisexuals, transsexuals in the U.S. They'll stir up a big mob reaction across the country, and we may see a new push for laws to take away their rights. They may have just become the new Jews, and their Krystallnacht may be coming.

Meanwhile, the true sexual predators will still be at work...

[TechBear_Seattle]

24. Methinks the laddie doth protest too much.

What are the chances that LaHood is one of the two?

[Coventina]

29. *fingers crossed* C'mon JD Hayworth!!

That guy is a freak. I could believe anything about him.

[McCamy Taylor]

30. Raises a question, why hasnt Al Gonzales been able to persuade the

son of a wealthy GOP who once served as a page to come forward and finger some Dem (possibly innocent) in exchange for dropping some charges? There has to be a frat boy ex-page out there being investigated on some kind of federal charge. Maybe they want to wait until closer to the election otherwise the Dem could pass a polygraph and the kid could fail one.

[karlrschneider]

32. It's weird, the ex-page outed by that "passion-something-or-other" site

is described as a 'conservative Republican' (in an Okla newspaper) yet he has hired Steve Jones who
defended McVeigh. I can't figure out why he needs a lawyer...?
:eyes:

[bobbieinok]

35. have a link or a source?

[karlrschneider]

37. Check your inbox

...

[LonelyLRLiberal]

31. Who'd bet there were no Dems messing with the pages?

Not me. Just because Repugs are repugnant hypocrits and greedy old perverts doesn't mean there aren't some Dems who could have been doing something equally disgusting re: the underage pages. The only thing probably keeping lots of names from coming out right now is fear of retaliation.

[NWBadger]

38. Who'd bet there were no Dems messing with the pages?

Mutally Assured Destruction.

[newyawker99]

47. Hi NWBadger!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[the48er]

33. What Republican Pedophiles?

This page seems to be a bit slow to load, but once it does, it's illuminating:

http://www.armchairsubversive.com/">http://www.armchairsubversive.com/

John Dean's http://the48er.com/607/12.html#conservativeswithoutconscience">latest book and the years of research on which it's based comes to mind. Republicans are disproportionately characterized by excessively authoritarian affects and behaviors. Many of them get off on controlling other people when they can get away with it -- i.e., when they're on the strong side of power inequities. In broad terms, there aren't too many power inequities greater than those of most adults over most children.

It might be interesting to see the results of a survey of convicted pedophiles' political preferences.

Maybe the Eagle Forum would be willing to fund such a study.

[blitzen]

42. Limbaugh and Drudge?

[Silvermint]

43. Republican Logic

Since some congressmen can't keep their hands off of pages, we should end the page program. That's the same logic as saying "since some men can't stop raping women, we should outlaw men and women being in the same room together." Mmmhmm... party of personal responsibility...

[Name removed]

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[TahitiNut]

49. "What will we tell the children?"

When Congressmen finally show that they're embarassed to have children witness their behavior, in the Congress(!), how much more obvious does the corruption have to be?