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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 12:31 PM
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Demented musings from the far right.
Don't give them the satisfaction of clicking THIS link.. copy into your browser window so you don't go there from here..

The first article about talking points tells me that a lot of c-span viewers must be from this spot...

Almost every republican caller these days says the following words, even if they make no sense to their actual point (do they have one?)..

pelosi...reid...kennedy...conyers..

http://rycksrationalizations.townhall.com/
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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 12:38 PM
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1. isn't opening a new window going to give them a click anyway?
sorry, I just cannot bring myself to go there. a synopsis, please?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 12:50 PM
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2. here's the talking points mentioned
An Open Letter to Independents and Others
Friday, October 06, 2006 4:52 PM







I thank Ed Choate for his comments on my blogs and here is my reply to him and others:



As a life-student of politics then to College of Sequoias during the Cuban Missile Crisis, then on to UCLA and off again via the LBJ draft, then the streets of SF in 1965-1966, then SUNY in New York State 1970-1972, then Yale 1972-1976 and more]. Read my bio for more.



I find that the appeal of a politician has to match what the voters want to hear. This is not a new observation, but still must be the first consideration of those who would lead. Eric Hoffer said that new leaders do not create the new movements but simply fall in with the new direction as it builds and ask for leadership. The mass of voters are split into many factions and a favorable mix must be assembled that meets your morality, outlook and economics and what the mix will tolerate as a group. The successful politico knows how to appeal to a collective group of special interests that form a winning majority. The liberals generally get 41% in national elections and need to garner the missing 10 points from the center. They can get 6% just by howling and need a solid 4% to win. The right can get about 45% or so. The winner is the one who captures the 5% of the center.



Losers have a narrower or single-issue oriented campaign, such as anti war. This frequently limits their ability to win. This country is still mostly moderate in most states except the Left Coast and NE. This theory works for all forms of politics. Caesar knew this, Pompey did not. Huey Long knew this. Napoleon knew this. FDR worked this well. Lenin, Stalin and Brezhnev could ignore all but their narrow 5% of the population. Nixon practiced this too, but fell from grace due to his own crimes. His election was a landslide due to the tax, anti-war and social issues of George McGovern. Thank you George. We need you back. The political campaigns of Humphrey, McGovern, Stevenson, Dukakis and most particularly Walter Mondale are worth studying in the negative sense. Walter lost big on the tax issue. The Al Gore run was an anomaly with insufficient Republican voters coming out of their fog. It won’t happen again. This strategic fact must be remembered as the key to beating liberals. Use the liberal weaknesses in planning a campaign.



Voters have limited memories so keep up the message. The liberals will help out with their phony calls for more taxes and change and absurd court cases generated by activist judges. Liberals are devoted to degeneracy and that must be emphasized every day.



One good way to attack the left is to simply quote them: Find some quotes by Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, and Nancy Pelosi and quote them verbatim and then state that you do not agree with their morality, tax notions or whatever. There is an ocean of quotes out there from safe seats that can be used to highlight the far left position for nearly all Democrat candidates. There is no such thing as a moderate Democrat. They challenge the party’s liberal line, remain silent or howl. Qupte Ted and Nancy and Howard Dean frequently as examples of unAmerican conduct and outlook.



The general weaknesses of the Democrats are based on the fact that they hate capitalism , want to control everything though massive government, control of education, high taxes, etc. They are the elites and can safely ignore their own rules. They would flip Commie-in Red in a heart beat as Joseph P. Kennedy did when he switched from being a Nazi sympathizer to a USSR stooge in a few hours. Those two groups were both socialist and totalitarian in nature. Note that Teddy’s money stems from Old Joe and Sam Giacanna and other Mafiosi and illegal smuggling. They hate Christians and will support Islamo-Fascism, Marxism and even Voodoo in school courses, legislation and more while suppressing Christians and the expression of their beliefs in all forms. Liberals have no sense of morality. Attack them on this issue. Ask liberals why they hate Christians and American values.



They will NOT HESITATE to employ lies as they learned this fundamental lesson from watching the wild successes of Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Ho, Fidel Castro and Daniel Ortega. They will always lie about the fact that tax cuts generate growth. They call this a cost. They create monsters such as the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy and other demons to justify their comments and assume the mantle of victim hood.



Nancy Pelosi can howl and condemn Foley and cannot reconcile this stance with what she said about the Gerry Studds case and Condit, in her own state. She speaks with a forked tongue. Hypocrisy is working well for the left, and always has. The independents and conservatives, however, are still sensitive to this. Hypocrisy and lies are strong features of the left because their constituents care little for the truth: they want stimulation, a chance to be scared and a place to bawl. Hypocrisy and lies provide a solution for this urgent need in liberals. Read the True Believer by Eric Hoffer. http://www.erichoffer.net/ Call Nancy on her hypocrisy and blame the whole Democrat party for her words and deeds.



Ronald Reagan was successful because he was honest, faithful to God, even and balanced in his politics and had only a few solid stances on the issues. HE DELEGATED THE DETAILS. He wrote many letters a day to his constituents and friends and maintained his morality and outlook--NO MATTER WHAT. George Bush is much like Ronald Reagan, except he talks too much. Minimize details. When you talk to the press use documented quotes from liberals and state that these are not exactly American in content and belong with other societies. Recite the failed history of liberal social programs as proof.



A successful strategy for any new politician might be to reverse everything Ted Kennedy ever stood for or voted for provided, of course, that the newcomer runs a political race outside a Dark Blue State. Light blue is fine. Reversing anything Nancy Pelosi stands for probably helps too. She is the far-left solution to getting back power. Her messages are too strong for many moderates and she might help lose the national liberal cause because of this. Ted made a lot of big mistakes in his career and they are all valid to quote from.



The liberals are weakest on taxes. Given their sorry history on tax hikes of the Jimmy Carter Era, they MUST continue on with taxes because this is their ONLY source of power. RR said 'defund the left' and they freaked. The best pitch against the tax maggots of the left is to suggest to voters that they can manage their money better than the government. Cite DoD, Welfare, HHS, Dept of Ed., HUD, War on Poverty, Great Society and more to show how the left squandered 5 trillion dollars since 1950. The liberals are addicted to tax money. Ask the voters if they really want Nancy Pelosi and Rep. Conyers to direct the spending of your money.



The liberals are second weakest on crime and illegal immigration, also a crime. They would do or say anything to get 12 million illegal aliens to the ballot box if they could. Ted Kennedy says: “Can you help us out?” They want to release criminals for any reason, such as they are too short or the pile of dope was not treated according to evidence rules or for being political prisoners. They would cut and run from Iraq and talk, talk and more talk. TALKING IS THE SOLUTION for liberals—just talk. They talk and they are finished. They would offer North Korea more money if they were in office. More funds for their nuclear program! Jimmy Carter wept when Daniel Ortega lost in Nicaragua. Illegal aliens do not file state and federal tax returns, but the liberals seem to think that they pay taxes and need Social Security benefits. Ask the liberals why they want to tax US citizens and not illegal aliens.



The liberals are third weakest on the War on Terrorism. They cannot operate in this arena due to their penchants for talking, appeasement and shoveling money to our enemies after a few talking episodes. North Korea, Viet Nam, Cuba and Nicaragua are examples of their prior work. The frantic effort to assist Islamo-Fascism by legislation, court actions, ACLU, etc., are transparent efforts to oppose conservatives at the willing expense of US soldiers. Liberals will gladly trade US dead soldiers for more votes and attempt to block votes from service persons abroad as they did in the 2000 race. Ask the liberals why they support terrorism in every case.



The liberals are strongest on racism. They maintain their edge in politics in many races by agitating blacks and howling about slavery, an institution dating back a mere 5000 years or more and highly profitable in Africa during the last century. MD is the best example of this. 90% of the black vote gives them 3-4 million votes. Racism keeps them in office in many states. Black Republicans are hated in every case and called all sorts of nasty names. No racism here?. They look the other way as Al Sharpton, Donna Brazile, Cynthia McKinney, Minister Louis Farrakhan and others trash Republicans and others with their ugly comments and acts. Racism still exists in the Sudan and the liberals never comment on this. They preach that the US created slavery. They will howl and label anyone they can as a racist for any reason, and it works for them. They are the racists. They exist on racism. They depend on racism. The liberal solution to racism, of course, beside the votes, is more taxes to fund reparations, create new civil rights legislation . That would cost 500 billion dollars or more. The upper half would pay for that—not the so-called poor. How about quotas for illegal aliens? Ask the liberals what they think about the comments of Al Sharpton, Sen. Byrd and others and how their notions fit into the Democratic party.



The liberals are second strongest on global warming, a phony political construct based on harried and emotional speeches devoid of sound science. They have no firm data to present and cannot come up with a reasonable counter to the point that the weather is cyclic. The satellites do not show the upper atmosphere is rising, Iceland froze the Vikings out in the 11th century, that glacier in Kansas was not melted by Oldsmobile exhaust fumes. http://junkscience.com/ Ask why they cannot come up with firm data. Ask them why they support Kyoto Treaty when China and India are exempt and two of the biggest polluters on the planet.

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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 12:50 PM
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3. 1) copy link and paste 2) What's the failed history???
>Recite the failed history of liberal social programs as proof.

I just caught this, but I'm not clear. What is the failed history?

I could cite the failed history of capitalism. It doesn't seem to bring the end of poverty, either. There's a LOT of history to show that...

If the right uses this meme to mean that social programs completely eliminates poverty, etc., then they're using a straw man argument.

I could cite the failed history of the military. I mean, it doesn't seem to completely eliminate threats to our country once and for all.

The point is that social programs, like the military, are not a one shot deal, rather, is an ongoing responsiblity for that class of people who need help, and where free enterprise and private generosity FAIL.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-07-06 12:57 PM
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4. exactly.. they SAY it's a failed p[olicy
and do it over and over, and the "faithful" pick it up and run with it..and before you know it, the corporate media uses it too..

It's how "liberal" became a negative..

When people say liberal with a sneer, I always ask them if they would prefer a liberal infusion of cash into their bank accounts...or a conservative one..:evilgrin:
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