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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:25 AM Original message |
Homosexuality and Pedophillia = Bunk Comparison |
As they always do when something becomes fucked up in the Repuke part they pass the buck and blame everyone else. Its never their fault is the Gay Communityoes Fault or those damn Atheist, any miniority group is a scapegoat for the ball-less party of bible thumping idiotits who use their socalled 'faith' as their dominist weapon of choice. Well, they are still clusless sorry ass fuck ups and I have reseached my limit with the likes of Tony Perkins and others from the MegaChurch relam of Monronville.
Taking Foley's pedophillia and hearing Tony Perkins blame Foley's taste for tender boys on the GAY Communnity, here is what some of these self rightgous asshat cultist have said: Blame Tolerance and Diversity! "It's outrageous, it's shocking. But it shouldn't be totally surprising when we hold up tolerance and diversity as the guidepost for public life this is what you end up getting." -- Tony Perkins, President, Family Research Council Blame the Homosexuals! "But neither party seems likely to address the real issue, which is the link between homosexuality and child sexual abuse." -- Tony Perkins, President, Family Research Council Blame the Left! The Foley revelations are "an attempt to discourage Christian conservative voters and to get some percentage of them to stay home so that the Left can retake the United States Senate and the United States House." -- Gary Bauer, Chairman, Campaign for Working Families Blame....Planned Parenthood? "There is never an acceptable excuse or rationale for the type of deviant behavior former Congressman Mark Foley has admitted to. Homosexuality is every bit a part of the culture of death as is abortion and contraception. Not surprisingly, Foley was an ardent supporter of both, representing the interests of Planned Parenthood 64 percent of the time thus far in 2006." -- Human Life International The Repiglican Party is the party of the WEAK and COWARDLY! So brave they claim to be for fighting 'the war on terror', but when it comes to taking the blame for their party members ways they scatter and pass the buck. Everytime they fuck up its always the Lefts fault, we can live without this poor excuse for a party, they all need to resign as far as I am concerned. Since Repukes has been in 'contol' they have managed to set us back about 20 years. Here is something quite relative to this comparison of Homosexuality and pedophillia: Date sent: Mon, 5 Jun 1995 11:00:39 -0700 (PDT) From: GREG HEREK The following is excerpted from "Myths about sexual orientation: A lawyer's guide to social science research" by G.M. Herek, which appeared in the journal Law and Sexuality, 1991, v. 1, pp. 133-172. Some references have been deleted; see the original article for the full reference list. Copyright <169> 1991 by Law & Sexuality: A Review of Lesbian and Gay Legal Issues (Tulane Law School, New Orleans). ... Myth #4: Homosexuals are more likely than heterosexuals to molest children sexually. Gay people often have been accused of preying on children. This is a manifestation of a general cultural tendency to portray disliked minority groups (e.g., Jews, Blacks) as threats to the dominant society's most vulnerable members. When Anita Bryant campaigned successfully in 1977 to repeal a Dade County (FL) ordinance prohibiting anti-gay discrimination, she named her organization "Save Our Children," and warned that "a particularly deviant-minded tea cher could sexually molest children." The number of Americans who believe the accusation that gay men and women are child molesters appears to be decreasing. Gallup poll data show that 42% of Americans now would allow gay people to be elementary school teachers, compared to 27% in 1977 (Colasanto, 1989). Nevertheless, many of the remaining 58% probably continue to accept the stereotype. When evaluating empirical research on child molestation, sampling issues and problems of terminology must be c onsidered. Societal condemnation of and criminal penalties for child molestation intensify the difficulties usually encountered in attempting to draw representative samples of sexual minorities. Most empirical studies have been conducted with convicted perpetrators, thereby excluding those who were not prosecuted or convicted. Consequently, we must rely on available data while recognizing that, because of its sampling biases, the results do not necessarily reflect societal patterns. A second problem in evaluating empirical research on child molestation concerns terminology. Sexual abuse of male children by adult men is often referred to as "homosexual molestation," which implies that the perpetrator is himself gay or has a homosexual orientation. Usually, however, the adjectives "homosexual" and "heterosexual" refer to the victim's gender in relation to that of the perpetrator, not to the latter's sexual orientation. For example, Fisher (1969; Fisher & Howell, 1970) assessed the psychological needs of 50 "homosexual pedophiliacs" (who were categorized as such because they had been convicted of a sexual offense against male children and no offenses against female children) and 100 "heterosexual pedophiliacs" (who had been convicted of a sexual offense against female children). However, no information was provided about the offenders' adult sexual orientation or behavior. Similarly, Marshall (1988) referred to the males in his sample who molested boys as "homosexual molesters" (p. 273). In a personal communication to this author, Marshall reported that only three of the seven men in his sample who had molested boys could be considered gay or homosexual; the other four had been heterosexually married. All of the 14 men who molested young girls were considered by Marshall to have a heterosexual orientation. The distinction between gender of victim and sexual orientation of perpetrator is important because many child molesters have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relatio nships with other adults, either men or women. Recognizing this, Finkelhor and Araji (1986) proposed that discussions of the sexual attractions of perpetrators should be conceptualized along a continuum ranging in degrees from exclusive interest in children to exclusive interest in adult partners. Similarly, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) categorized child molesters as either fixated or regressed (see also Groth, Hobson, & Gary, 1982). Fixation was defined as "a temporary or permanent arrestment of psychological maturation resulting from unresolved formative issues which persist and underlie the organization of subsequent phases of development" (Groth & Birnbaum, 1978, p. 176); fixated offenders never developed an adult sexual orientation. Regression was defined as "a temporary or permanent appearance of primitive behavior after more mature forms of expression had been attained, regardless of whether the immature behavior was actually manifested earlier in the individual's development" (p. 177). Regressed molesters can be adult homosexuals, heterosexuals, or bisexuals; what is important is that they report sexual relationships with other adults, whether men or women. In a sample of 175 adult males who were convicted in Massachusetts of sexual assault against a child, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) found that none had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation. A plurality of the men (83 or 47%) were classified as "fixated;" 70 others (40%) were classified as regressed adult heterosexuals; the remaining 22 (13%) were classified as regressed adult bisexuals. Of the last group, Groth and Birnbaum observed that "in their adult relationships they engaged in sex on occasion with men as well as with women. However, in no case did this attraction to men exceed their preference for women....There were no men who were primarily sexually attracted to other adult males..." (p.180). Failing to distinguish between an offender's sexual orientation and the gender of his victim can lead to overestimation of the proportion of gay men among the population of child molesters. For example, Cameron (1985) purported to review published data to answer the question, "Do those who commit homosexual acts disproportionately incorporate children into their sexual practices?" (p. 1227). He concluded that "at least one- third of the sexual attacks upon youth are homosexual" (p. 1228) and that "those who are bi- to homosexual are proportionately much more apt to molest youth" than are heterosexuals (p. 1231). Cameron, however, assumed that all male-male molestations were committed by homosexuals. A subsequent paper by Cameron and others (Cameron, Proctor, Coburn, Forde, Larson, & Cameron, 1986) described data collected in a door-to-door survey in seven U.S. cities and towns, and generally repeated the conclusions reached in Cameron (1985). As before, male-male sexual assaults were referred to as "homosexual" molestations (e.g., Abstract, p.327) and the perpetrators' sexual orientation apparently was not a ssessed. Such confusions can affect subsequent research. Cameron's (1985) equation of same-sex molestation with an adult homosexual orientation appears to have led Freund et al. (1989) to study why "the proportion of sex offenders against male children among homosexual men is substantially larger than the proportion of sex offenders against female children among heterosexual men" (p.115). However, Freund and his colleagues failed to find greater sexual arousal among gay men (in their terminology, "and rophiles") when they were shown visual images of young males than among heterosexual men ("gynephiles") when they were shown visual images of young females. Recognizing the many problems created by the lack of representative samples and ambiguous terminology, we can critically evaluate the empirical research relating to adult sexual orientation and molestation of children. In this process, we must search for consistent trends in the results of empirical studies that have adequately assessed and reported the sexual orientation of perpetrators. It appears from these studies that gay men are no more likely than heterosexual men to molest children (for an earlier review, see Newton, 1978). NOTES 1. Sexual abuse by women appears to be relatively rare. When it occurs, it typically involves a female accomplice who assists a perpetrator in procuring victims or, occasionally, a woman who seduces a young male. Consequently, the child molester stereotype is applied more often to gay men than to lesbians. 2. This assumption is puzzling in that it suggests inattention by the author to the literature he himself claimed to have reviewed. For example, he cited the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) study as evidencing a 3:2 ratio of "heterosexual" (i.e., female victim) to "homosexual" (i.e., male victim) molestations, and notes that "54% of all the molestations in this study were performed by bisexual or homosexual practitioners" (p. 1231). As already noted, however, Groth and Birnbaum (1978) reported that none of the men in their sample had an exclusively homosexual adult sexual orientation, and that none of the 22 bisexual men were more attracted to adult ma les than to adult females. Cameron's 54% statistic does not appear anywhere in the Groth and Birnbaum (1978) article, nor does Cameron explain its derivation. It also is noteworthy that, although Cameron (1985) assumed that all male-male molestations were committed by homosexuals, he assumed that not all male-female molestations were committed by heterosexuals. He incorporated a "bisexual correction" (p. 1231) into his data manipulations to increase further his estimate of the risk posed to children by homosexual/bisexual men. In the latter half of his paper, Cameron (1985) considered whether "homosexual teachers have more frequent sexual interaction with their pupils" (p. 1231). Based on 30 instances of sexual contact between a teacher and pupil reported in ten different sources published between 1920 and 1982, Cameron concluded that "a pupil would appear about 90 times more likely to be sexually assaulted by a homosexual practitioner" (p. 1232); the ratio rose to 100 times when Cameron added his bisexual correction. This ratio is meaningless because no data were obtained concerning the actual sexual orientation of the teachers involved; as before, Cameron assumed that male-male contacts were perpetrated by homosexuals. Further, Cameron's rationale for selecting particular sources appears to have been entirely idiosyncratic. He described no systematic method for reviewing the literature, and appears not to have reviewed the voluminous literature on the sexual development of children and adolescents. His final choice of sources appears to have slanted his findings toward what Cameron described as "the relative absence in the scientific literature of heterosexual teacher-pupil sexual events coupled with persistent, albeit infrequent, homosexual teacher-pupil sexual interactions" (p. 1232). 3. This study also suffers from severe methodological problems: The sampling methods were not adequately described; the representativeness of the sample is highly doubtful; the locations for dat a collection (Omaha , Los Angeles , Denver , Washington , Louisville , Bennett , and Rochester ) appear to have been selected solely on the basis of convenience (see Brown & Cole, 1985, for a detailed critique). Additionally, the response rate appears to have been unacceptably low, so that their sample does not permit generalizations from the data to any larger population (Herek, 1991, note #10). 4. During the mid-1980s, Paul Cameron was labeled in the gay press as "th e most dangerous antigay voice in the United States today" (Walter, 1985, p.28; see also Fettner, 1985). In 1984, all members of the American Psychological Association received official written notice that "Paul Cameron (Nebraska) was dropped from membership for a violation of the Preamble to the Ethical Principles of Psychologists" on December 2, 1983, by the APA Board of Directors ("Notice: Persons dropped from membership," 1984). At its membership meeting on October 19, 1984, the Nebraska Psycholo gical Association adopted a resolution stating that it "formally disassociates itself from the representations and interpretations of scientific literature offered by Dr. Paul Cameron in his writings and public statements on sexuality" (Nebraska Psychological Association, 1984). In 1985, the American Sociological Association adopted a resolution which included the assertion that "Dr. Paul Cameron has consistently misinterpreted and misrepresented sociological research on sexuality, homosexuality, and lesbianism" ("Sociology group criticizes work of Paul Cameron," 1985). Cameron's credibility was also questioned outside of academia. In his written opinion in Baker v. Wade (1985), Judge Buchmeyer of the U.S. District Court of Dallas referred to "Cameron's sworn statement that 'homosexuals abuse children at a proportionately greater incident than do heterosexuals,'" and concluded that "Dr. Paul Cameron...has himself made misrepresentations to this Court" and that "There has been no fraud or misrepres entations except by Dr. Cameron" (p.536). 5. This is not to suggest that molestations of children by adult homosexual men never occur. For example, Erickson, Walbek, & Seely (1988) reported that 86% of the men in their sample who had molested males under age 14 described themselves as homosexual or bisexual. Unfortunately, Erickson et al. did not report the actual number associated with this percentage (based on their data, the number appears to be approximately 54 out of 229 child molesters st udied, or 24%). Nor did they differentiate homosexual from bisexual men, or report how many of the so-called homosexual men were heterosexually married (although some apparently were, based on the authors' other comments). Of critical importance is the fact that the authors did not determine if the self- reported homosexual and bisexual men were involved in homosexual relationships with adults of the same sex, or whether the self-applied labels were used to describe the gender of their under-age victi ms (in Groth and Birnbaum's <1978> terminology, whether they were fixated). REFERENCES Baker v. Wade, 106 Federal Rules Decisions 526 (N.D. Texas, 1985). Brown, R.D., & Cole, J.K. (1985). Letter to the Editor. Nebraska Medical Journal, 70, 410-414. Cameron, P. (1985). Homosexual molestation of children/sexual interaction of teacher and pupil. Psychological Reports, 57, 1227-1236. Cameron, P., Proctor, K., Coburn, W., Forde, N., Larson, H., & Cameron, K. (1986). Child molestation and homosexuality. Psychological Reports, 58, 327-337. Colasanto, D. (1989, October 25). Gay rights support has grown since 1982, Gallup poll finds. San Francisco Chronicle, p.A21. Erickson, W.D., Walbek, N.H., & Seely, R.K. (1988). Behavior patterns of child molesters. Archives of Sexual Behavior, 17 (1), 77-86. Fettner, A.G. (1985, September 23). The evil that men do. New York Native, pp. 23-24. Finkelhor, D., & Araji, S. (1986). Explanations of pedophilia: A four factor model. J ournal of Sex Research, 22 (2), 145-161. Fisher, G. (1969). Psychological needs of heterosexual pedophiliacs. 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Nebraska Psychological Association. (1984, October 19). Resolution. Minutes of the Nebraska Psychological Association. Omaha: Author. Newton, D.E. (1978). Homosexual behavior and child molestation: A review of the evidence. Adolescence, 13, 29-43. Notice: Persons dropped from membership in the American Psychological Association. (1984). Internal communication from APA to all member s. Sociology group criticizes work of Paul Cameron. (1985, September 10). Lincoln (NE) Star. Walter, D. (1985, October 29). Paul Cameron. The Advocate, pp. 28-33. AUTHOR'S NOTE: Since this article appeared in 1991, another relevant paper has been published. See: Jenny et al. (1994). Are children at risk for sexual abuse by homosexuals? Pediatrics, v. 94 #1, pp. 41-44. (with accompanying commentary). |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:29 AM Response to Original message |
1. Foley was a GOP, nominated to the caucus on exploited |
and missing children, by the GOP.
Walsh and Klass are angered by him. But the right wing evangelical nuts blame the dems? Won't fly. |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Of course they blame someone else for their mess(es).. |
..Its the wing-nut repuke way.
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
3. Kick |
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