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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:46 PM Original message |
Let's discuss the morality of outing in the closet gay men and women |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't think we should out anyone who isn't a public figure and who |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. 100% agree. n/t |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. How do you define hypocrite on this issue? |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:54 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Well, in an obvious way. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
90. But who are we to decide? |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:16 PM Response to Reply #1 |
30. What about staffers? |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
38. Agreed...nt |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. I agree. It's the hypocrisy more than the sexuality. |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. Out ALL Hypocrites In Positions Of Power... EVERYWHERE !!! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:49 PM Response to Reply #2 |
106. Yup -- if they tout "Christian values" but sleep around -- OUT THEM |
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bryant69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
4. This is a contentious subject |
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ContraBass Black (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
5. Because a person's sexuality is only the business of that person |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I struggle with that. On one hand I agree with you, but |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. Even if the public office holder or staff person advocates |
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we can do it (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
67. I Have To Agree with You On This - and Include Those Damn TeleEvanaglists |
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davidinalameda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:52 PM Response to Reply #5 |
52. wrong |
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guinivere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
93. I agree. Someone's sexuality is their business alone. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
107. They make it everyone's business when they attack someone else's orientati |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. I think outing is ALWAYS a bad thing |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Part of me thinks if we outed all the hypocrites |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:08 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. But can you separate the hypocritical aspect from the gay aspect |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:13 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I think the hypocrisy is a bigger issue than their sexuality. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:04 PM Response to Reply #24 |
69. If people want to be quiet about their lives, they are well advised |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:34 PM Response to Reply #69 |
102. Oh, it is very different |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:38 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. To the contrary: many secrets are not illegal. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. None of those areas have a mass quantity of people |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
108. I think that, too |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:58 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. I'm not sure if we'll win rights for gays and lesbians until |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. That gives people the ok to use sexuality as a weapon |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:15 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. OK, I mostly agree. So how should Dems counter the argument |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
45. That argument is a straw man |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Not using sexuality as a weapon |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
43. I see it like the torture issue |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
76. Suppose that Pat Robertson was elected president of the U.S. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:46 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Strom Thurmond is a good case in point. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:28 PM Original message |
I don't think that's the same thing |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
103. Whether it's a negative or not is in the eye of the beholder. |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 02:56 PM Response to Reply #103 |
116. If it were all so simple, the term "spin" would not exist eom |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:25 PM Response to Reply #76 |
97. Outing gays feels like anti-gay rhetoric to me eom |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:28 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. So do you object to revealing anything about a candidate they |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:30 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. No |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:33 PM Response to Reply #100 |
101. How do you square that with the idea of a free press, |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 02:58 PM Response to Reply #101 |
117. Sexual orientation should not be a concern to anyone |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
11. It is sometimes OK to out a gay politician, IMHO |
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Midlodemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:57 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. That's how I feel. It's more an issue of hypocrisy. |
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HarukaTheTrophyWife (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:53 PM Response to Reply #14 |
65. This total queer agrees with everything you've said on this thread. nt |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
13. Gay Republicans are complicit in the genocide of their own people |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Who is that? If it wouldn't harm them by posting a link then |
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liberalmuse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
16. Pedophiles and pederasts, yes, homosexuals, NO! |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
17. Why do you feel it's "our" decision on whether to out someone? |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:05 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I don't agree for public figures |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:22 PM Response to Reply #22 |
34. This is a tough call no doubt, |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:37 PM Response to Reply #34 |
58. I absolutely have no clue |
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Garbo 2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:26 PM Response to Reply #34 |
92. What about Santorum's staff? Like his director of communications? |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's the hypocrisy |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. It's no one's business |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:07 PM Response to Reply #19 |
23. What happens when they got elected because the Repugs put |
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WolverineDG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
50. I had someone "out" another person |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:39 PM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Yeah, I think we need to define the boundaries. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:08 PM Response to Reply #19 |
70. Why? What else do you think politicians should have the right to |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
20. In My View, Ma'am |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:18 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. I have a hard time agreeing with this... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. The Harm, Ma'am |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:12 PM Response to Reply #46 |
71. It's better to encourage them to come out... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:36 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Better To Do Harm To Them, Ma'am |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:45 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. And by declaring war on your enemies you are also... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. That Is True, Ma'am, And It Does Not Trouble Me |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:53 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Necessary when people don't do what we want them to do... |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:13 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. That Is What Conflict Is About, Ma'am |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. There are some anti-choicers who feel the same way about abortion... |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 02:32 PM Response to Reply #46 |
112. Where do you draw the line? And what evidence do you require? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 02:35 PM Response to Reply #112 |
113. Same lines as any other issue. No double standard needed. |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 02:37 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. can you elaborate? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:06 PM Response to Reply #115 |
119. There is no single standard for any reporting regarding |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:32 PM Response to Reply #119 |
121. the press generally doesn't report on staffers about anything |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 02:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
111. Outing a few world-class hypocrites (gay Republicans who promote |
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slaveplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
28. Everyone should be outed |
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cally (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. That standard makes sense to me |
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slaveplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. A case in point |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
29. If they use their position to support/endorse/pass an anti-gay agenda... |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
31. Rebuplicans run on people's hatred of us. I feel no shame in outing |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. I'm not gay, but I'm 100% with you on this. If they want to stay closeted |
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beyurslf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
44. I dislike Republicans in general, but I cannot stand gay Republicans. |
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Red Right and BLUE (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:21 PM Response to Original message |
33. If you're going to make life harder for people becuase they're gay, |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
35. I think it is right in some circumstances |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Who decides when it's right? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:34 PM Response to Reply #41 |
74. Who decides when it's right? |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:41 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. So his family should pay for it, too? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Not judge jury or executioner. People make their own choices, |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:51 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. We're setting ourselves up as such by this kind of action... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:54 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. "We" who? We as individuals? The press? |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:01 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Majority of people do live a life of double standards... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:03 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. I'm sorry but you seem to have not answered my question. |
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cynatnite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:15 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. The examples I cited are different because for one... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:48 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Unethical by whose standards? |
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Time for change (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 10:15 PM Response to Reply #77 |
96. Not judge, not jury, not executioner |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
39. My problem with "outing" at this point |
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EC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
47. IT WOULDN'T EVEN MATTER |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
48. In the Florida Governor race, Free Republic has already outed |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
53. but notice the small amount of replies.. They don't want to hear |
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Catherine Vincent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:28 PM Response to Reply #53 |
73. If this guy is gay, I hope he wins. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
81. Even members of Freeperville thinks he's gay, he probably is... |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
51. If you're in the closet, you have something to hide ->blackmail-able. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
54. Anyone know David Drier's record on gay rights? |
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union_maid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
55. Out 'em all |
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TX-RAT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
56. If some body wants to come out that's their business. |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #56 |
66. unless they used their position to injure fellow gays |
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drbtg1 (932 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
57. Hypocrisy is part of one's character |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
60. Assuming we're only talking about *republican* gay folks... |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
61. First we have to erase the stigma that CAUSES them to be closeted |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
62. There's ALREADY a backlash. How can it get worse? |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:49 PM Response to Original message |
63. I agree with the gist of your OP. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
64. I think the notion of a closet is tragic. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
68. I don't regard gay outing as different from any other political outing. |
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madmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
72. Projection pervades poltics. |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Oct-09-06 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
95. There is no shame in being gay, there is nothing wrong with being gay |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #95 |
109. BINGO |
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onenote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 02:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
114. I agree that there is nothing wrong with being gay |
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Tyo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 03:22 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. I tend to agree with you |
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warrior1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
98. I think that |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
105. If they belong to a party that makes laws against gays -- OUT THEM |
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FreeState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Oct-10-06 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
110. I was outed |
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