I'm calling out old DU'ers, IRAN / CONTRA The BFEE;;;;

[PhilYerHead]

Please now is the time. This is the thread. IT IS TIME.

[iamahaingttta]

1. It goes back so much further...

...than Iran/Contra.
That's just the tip of the iceberg:

http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm#Table
George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography

The entire family is pure evil, and has been for many generations.

[PhilYerHead]

2. yes, and i'm sorry and why have "we the people" let this happen?

[blm]

7. Because some of their own Dem leaders told them to move on and closed

books that never should have been closed and had they been fully revealed, would have prevented the growth of global terrorism and a 9-11 event, and NO BUSH would have been allowed near the White House, let alone inside it, EVER AGAIN.

Not just IranContra, but BCCI and CIA drugrunning - - the existing roots of 9-11 and just about everything happening today.

[AntiFascist]

34. I agree, much of the DLC may be into this almost as deeply n/t

[Amonester]

50. So much that there have been "planned" infiltration from "the dark

side" into "our bright side" and looking at Joe LIEberman just confirms it's true.

[blm]

51. Think about this: Did Clinton handle these 20 outstanding questions reBCCI

when he took office in 1993? These issues needed further investigation and for some reason, the new Dem president and the Dem senate chose to not accomodate further investigation.

This list of outstanding questions can help all those looking further into the entire connection. The global aspect of this is astounding and is undoubtedly the key to unlock every damn crime of the BFEE and their international cabal of fascists, financiers and terrorists.

The press in this country has done an amazingly poor job of educating the citizens.



Here is Kerry's list - FROM 1992 - of things which warrant further investigation:

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al- Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British
investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including
the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich
remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political
figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.

[demwing]

12. "How Bush's Grandfather Helped Hitler's Rise To Power"

Older article, but well worth the read:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

<snip>

The Prescott Bush story has been condemned by both conservatives and some liberals as having nothing to do with the current president. It has also been suggested that Prescott Bush had little to do with Averill Harriman and that the two men opposed each other politically...

...more than 60 years after Prescott Bush came briefly under scrutiny at the time of a faraway war, his grandson is facing a different kind of scrutiny but one underpinned by the same perception that, for some people, war can be a profitable business.

</snip>

[PhilYerHead]

3. PunPirate where are you? n/t

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[PhilYerHead]

6. Thank you! n/t

[EFerrari]

16. We can go back further to the Ford Administration aka

NeoCon Middle School:

Administration and Cabinet


Upon assuming office, Ford inherited the Cabinet Nixon selected during his tenure in office. Over the course of Ford's relatively brief administration, only Secretary of State Henry Kissinger and Secretary of the Treasury William Simon remained. Ford appointed William Coleman as Secretary of Transportation, the second African American to serve in a presidential Cabinet (after Robert Clifton Weaver) and the first appointed in a Republican administration.<26>

Ford selected George H. W. Bush to be both Ambassador to the People's Republic of China in 1974 and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency in 1975.<27> In 1975, Ford also selected former congressman and ambassador Donald Rumsfeld as Secretary of Defense. Rumsfeld had previously served as Ford's transition chairman and later Chief of Staff. Additionally, Ford chose a young Wyoming politician, Richard Cheney, to be his new Chief of Staff and later campaign manager for Ford's 1976 presidential campaign.<28> Ford's dramatic reorganization of his Cabinet in the fall of 1975 has been referred to by political commentators as The "Halloween Massacre."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Ford

And speaking of the War on Terra, CIA asset Luis Posada Carriles arranged for a Cubana airliner to be blown up while Poppy was CIA Director:

THE DECLASSIFIED RECORD
CIA and FBI Documents Detail Career in International Terrorism; Connection to U.S.

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 153

Update - May 18, 2005 - Documents featured on May 17, 2005 edition of ABC's Nightline

Washington D.C. May 18, 2005 - The National Security Archive today posted additional documents that show that the CIA had concrete advance intelligence, as early as June 1976, on plans by Cuban exile terrorist groups to bomb a Cubana airliner. The Archive also posted another document that shows that the FBI's attache in Caracas had multiple contacts with one of the Venezuelans who placed the bomb on the plane, and provided him with a visa to the U.S. five days before the bombing, despite suspicions that he was engaged in terrorist activities at the direction of Luis Posada Carriles.

Both documents were featured last night on ABC Nightline's program on Luis Posada Carriles, who was detained in Miami yesterday by Homeland Security.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153/index.htm

We got a million of 'em.

[PhilYerHead]

35. Sweet. Just sweet and thank you. "Neocon Middle School'!

[Virginia Dare]

5. Yes, the entire family is a pox on our history...

I only hope that one day it will all come out in the open and people will spit the name "Bush" out just like they do "Hitler".

[razors edge]

8. Don't forget Fox's darling

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB113/

The Oliver North File:
His Diaries, E-Mail, and Memos on
the Kerry Report, Contras and Drugs

National Security Archive Electronic Briefing Book No. 113

February 26, 2004

with mug shots!!

[bobthedrummer]

9. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x521016

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2280827

[omega minimo]

10. double bullshit

[PhilYerHead]

11. Please keep this kicked - It is really way past time we call them out.

[PhilYerHead]

13. Kicking again for everyone. We all really need to educate some folks.

[Octafish]

14. Here's a bit of background...

Know your BFEE Log




Know your BFEE: Los Amigos de Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2214484


Know your BFEE: Neil Bush hangs out with Russian Mafiya Godfather

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2082945


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush was in Dallas the day JFK was assassinated.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1946852


Know your BFEE: Nazis couldn’t win WWII, so they backed Bushes.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=1547206&mesg_id=1547206


Know your BFEE: At every turn, JFK was opposed by War Party

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1366764


Know your BFEE: Lies Are the Currency of Their Realm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1170858


Know your BFEE: Cheney & Halliburton Sold Iran Nuke Technology

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=928662


Know your BFEE: The Stench of Moussaoui Permeates the Octopus

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=757860&mesg_id=757860


Know your BFEE: Moussaoui Must Die for Bush and 'His' Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=602016


Know your BFEE: Alito is just another word for Mussolini

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=266685


What the heck, this belongs here, too:

BFEE Turd Daniel Pipes tied to DANISH CARTOONS

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=417774


Know your BFEE: Like a NAZI

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=133897


Know your BFEE: The China-Bush Axis

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5333644


Know your BFEE: Bush and bin Laden Clans Together in Bed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Libby Is the First Big BFEE Turd to Go Down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5233814


Know your BFEE: WHIG (White House Iraq Group) made phony case for Iraq War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5077403


Know your BFEE: The Secret Government

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5027094


Know your BFEE: Reinhard Gehlen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4863411&mesg_id=4863411


Know your BFEE: Poppy Bush Armed Saddam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4813493


Know your BFEE: Killer Businessmen who put Power and Profit before Country

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4401300


Know your BFEE: Nixon Threatened to Nuke Vietnam

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3953519


Know your BFEE: Corrupt Craftsmen Hoover and Dulles

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3908104


Know your BFEE: Poppy’s CIA Made Saddam Into the Butcher of Baghdad

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3853409


Know your BFEE: Hitler’s Bankers Shaped Vietnam War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3832033&mesg_id=3832033&page=


Know your BFEE: Merchants of Death

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3743890


Know your BFEE: R. James Woolsey, Turd of War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3699042


Know your BFEE: Sneering Dick Cheney, Superturd-Superrich-Supercrook

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3627538


Know your BFEE: Bush Lied America into War

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3601654


Know your BFEE: James R Bath – Bush – bin Laden Link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3571293&mesg_id=3571293&page=


Know your BFEE: War Profiteers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3493251


Know your BFEE: Dead Men Tell No Tales

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=5280903


Know your BFEE: Rev. Sun Myung Moon OWNS Poppy Bush

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3355939


Know your BFEE: Homeland Czar & Petro-Turd Bernie Kerik

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2788428


Know your BFEE: American Children Used in Radiation Experiments

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3312956


Know your BFEE: Eugenics and the NAZIs - The California Connection

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2511192


Know your BFEE: The Barreling Bushes

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2472759


Know your BFEE: A Crime Line of Treason

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2748315


Know your BFEE: How Smirko Got Rich

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2529964


Know your BFEE: George W Bush did "community service" at Project P.U.L.L.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2956067


Know your BFEE: Vote Suppressor Supreme, the Turd Bill Rehnquist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2414083


Know your BFEE: George W Bush Knew 9-11 Was Coming and Did NOTHING!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2404049


Know your BFEE: Oliver North, Drug Dealer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2396787


Know your BFEE: Pat Robertson Incorporated a Gold Mine with a Terrorist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2397004


These aren’t labeled “Know Your BFEE,” but they’re meant in the same spirit:

Poppy Bush Involved in JFK Assassination -- BFEE's Spooked!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3274455


JFK Would NEVER Have Fallen for Phony INTEL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5501005&mesg_id=5501005


Plame Affair makes clear: USA is run by TRAITORS.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4200507


BFEE Is More than Capable of Bombing Their Own Countrymen

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4045149

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x46709


And for all my friends in those hard-to-reach areas:

A Short History of Conspiracy Theory

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4086438


Hope this helps. BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, PhilYerHead.

[chill_wind]

19. Octafish, as ever you are awesome at this. Thankyou!

Bookmarked!

K&R.

[Octafish]

23. A bit more on a certain lying group of archcriminals...

...to see them, I stand on the shoulders of giants:

NAZI-CIA; October Surprise; Bush-Moon Axis; Corporate McPravda...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x1450222

Most importanly: You're welcome, chill_wind. Thank you for the kind words. It's a lot easier knowing we are not alone in this thing.

[PurgedVoter]

22. It was nice to take a swim in the backwaters again!

Feels like the early DU days.

I find that whenever people strongly, almost instinctively deny something, it is well worth examining.
Nine years ago I used to love reading conspiracy theories. I used to tell my buddies and my wife my latest discoveries. My buddies would put up with it, but really didn't like hearing these odd bits of data with odd possible meanings. I always told them, that the scary part is this, one of them might be true. I was a conspiracy buff, but only as entertainment.

Then about seven years ago it started clicking together. Pretty clear info that was real hard to shoot down. The anti-conspiracy theories were getting worse than the conspiracy theories. I found that no person I told about PNAC wanted to hear it. When I showed them the PNAC site, they knew it was a fake. When I showed them the Unification Church website and the connections to PNAC, the Conservative Right, and the Religious Right, They could not take it all in.

Now, anyone who is paying attention, knows stuff that we all would have considered lunatic crazy just a few years ago.

[Octafish]

24. That's my reasoning for the Know your BFEE things...

DU can be like a super-computerized super-researching thing. I see a bit of the picture, and the rest of DU chips in and finishes the puzzle. Working together, we can get to the truth about the Bush Transnational Criminal Enterprise, which is what they fear the most.

"The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous he cannot believe it exists." - J. Edgar Hoover, talking about the international communist conspiracy, but applicable to the BFEE, a group of treasonous supercriminal mass-murdering warmongers who've hijacked the American government.

[bobthedrummer]

26. yep, that's just for starters!

:hi:

[bobthedrummer]

54. kick

[PhilYerHead]

33. Thank you Octafish. You are just simply amazing.

Thank you for all you do.

[Gwerlain]

56. A little talk about the antecedents of this is in order, I think...

Google up "Smedley Butler," for starters.

In the late spring of 1933, the Morgan empire was about to be split up: their overseas securities operation, US securities operation, and banking operation were about to be split into three by the 1933 Glass-Steagall Act. This would destroy their ability to use depositors' money to work the stock markets. They teamed up with DuPont (Irenee DuPont, specifically) to attempt a Fascist coup against the FDR administration. They made the unfortunate mistake of contacting retired veteran US Marine Corps General Smedley Butler for assistance in rallying the US Military; Gen. Butler determined to betray them to FDR. It is worth mentioning that Gen. Butler was one of only 19 people to receive two Congressional Medals of Honor, and one of only 14 to have received their two medals for separate acts (the other five received two medals from different service branches for the same act). It is also worth mentioning that in 1935, Gen. Butler published a book titled, War is a Racket. This book foreshadowed Ike's farewell address as President in which he warned against the Military-Industrial Complex.

Now go study the career of Prescott Bush. Pay particular attention to the Union Banking Corporation scandal of 1942, in which the assets of UBC were seized; these assets were primarily funding for the Nazis' war efforts, originally the property of Fritz Thyssen, with investments by Brown Brothers Harriman and Co. They were seized under the Trading With The Enemy Act of 1942.

Now, there is no clear indication that the Morgan/DuPont cabal was aware of or involved with Bush, Brown Brothers Harriman and Co., or Thyssen. However, it is notable that Thyssen believed that his industrial empire (the largest of the time in Europe until it was taken over by fiat by the Nazis) could control the Fascist movement, and that the Morgan/DuPont cabal intended to install a Fascist government in the US. He was wrong, and he lost. This indicates the true alignment of the Fascists, which was arguably not nearly as Right Wing as it is often made out to be. In fact, the Fascists were relative centrists; they believed in distribution of a certain amount of wealth to the poor, and acted along those lines. They were, however, highly authoritarian. I have been strongly influenced by The Political Compass, and believe that there is more to political alignment than Right/Left economics, which can also be referred to as Capitalist/Socialist alignment; there is also an authoritarian/libertarian axis (and note, this is not meant to refer to the US Libertarian party, which is both libertarian and Right Wing). It is the lack of acknowledgment of this second axis that leads to the conflation of Communists and Anarchists, as well as US Libertarian party members and Republicans on the other side; not to mention conflation of the Nazis with the US Right Wing. Right Wingnuts in the US are all quite a bit right (capitalist) of the Fascists, and less authoritarian. The Left Wing in the US, on the other hand, ranges from the highly authoritarian Communist Party of the US, to the highly libertarian US Anarchists (and small-a anarchists). All of these are Socialist; they range, however, from authoritarian to libertarian.

Before you decry the Political Compass, I suggest you think very carefully about these matters; you can find a great deal of truth, although not all of it, by considering matters in this light. It clarifies the distinctions between the various forms of authoritarianism, and makes it clear why it is wrong to conflate the US Democratic Party with the Communists or the Anarchists. Look it over. It will help you understand who we are fighting.

Now, understanding this, it becomes clear that the Morgan/DuPont cabal was in fact both authoritarian and capitalist; the Nazis were authoritarian and centrist; the Soviet Union was authoritarian and socialist; the Bush/Harriman/Thyssen/UBC group was again authoritarian and capitalist like the Morgan/DuPont cabal; and the current US Republican party is finally also authoritarian and capitalist. This authoritarian/capitalist alignment is not Fascism, which is centrist. It is a uniquely US phenomenon. It is not new. Eisenhower warned us against it; Smedley Butler fought against it; so did the Wobblies early in the 20th Century. We continue that fight today; but today, they are winning. FDR pushed them back until into the 1960s with the New Deal. But the success of the New Deal was its downfall; a generation of US citizens grew up never knowing the grinding poverty of the Great Depression, and despite having participated in the Summer of Love, along with the social revolution that took place in the US at the time, including the Civil Rights Movement, they grew complacent, and many of them defected to the other side, becoming both capitalist and authoritarian. The authoritarian part comes from both the evangelists and from becoming parents; parents by necessity must exercise great authority over their children, for their safety, and they cannot understand why authoritarianism is bad for adult humans because they accept it from their religion and it seems fine to them.

So know thy enemy. Understand how the undermining of the anti-authoritarian US Constitution (which says a great deal about what the US Government must and may not do, and almost nothing about what the US citizens must or may not do) works to these folks' advantage, and understand how fear has been used to manipulate many US citizens into acceptance of their authoritarian agenda. And understand that this is not new, and it is not shallow; it is old, and strong. Fighting it requires the utmost determination and constancy of will, and a clear realization that the problem is neither capitalism nor authoritarianism, but the two together. These people are Feudalists. They desire a return of the Divine Right of Kings, and if we are not careful, they will achieve it. They will lie, cheat, steal, kill, torture, and maim to get it; they have no honor, and respect no law.

[AntiFascist]

64. This is a great summary of the effects of "authoritarian capitalism"....

in the last century and what we are dealing with. I would add that Fascism involves the empowerment of the State at the expense of the individual. This is how "patriotism" can be used in a very negative way to empower the military-industrial-complex which has taken control of the government. If you speak out against the complex, then you are labelled unpatriotic and possibly considered an enemy of the state (either with "us" or against "us"). This is where the unrolling of Habeus Corpus and the loss of civil rights (in the form of the Bill of Rights) is so critical to understanding the loss of democracy. I would argue that it is not just authoritarianism, it is also the loss of individual empowerment provided through the state to be replaced by whatever individual/spiritual empowerment can be gleaned from religion. In other words, those in control of all the wealth and power in the country take control leaving us with nothing but our spirit.

[Gwerlain]

65. Yes, that's precisely why...

they attack the Bill of Rights. By suspending Habeas Corpus, they are permitted to imprison anyone they'd like for whatever reason they'd like- the ultimate in authoritarian moves. As Olbermann pointed out last night, without this most basic of rights, most of the rest of the Bill of Rights is meaningless.

[VOX]

61. A-1 effort, Octafish! Many, many thanks! n/t

[PerfectSage]

71. Wow that's a good list of links, octafish.

What does BFEE stand for? Bush family evil empire?

[Octafish]

72. Bush Family Evil Empire

For lack of a catchier name, I call their transnational criminal enterprise, that stole the White House, the Bush Family Evil Empire -- the BFEE. They are the greatest gangsters of all time. Not even Ian Fleming dared dream such criminal masterminds as theirs. The BFEE have hijacked the government of the United States; looted the Treasury; used the Pentagon to dominate the oil patch; filled the world's banks with drug money; penured the middle class; and returned the NAZIs to power.

Thank goodness we can still do something about it. Our weapon is the Truth.

Thank you for the kind words. And a most hearty welcome to DU, PerfectSage.

EDIT: BFEE may've been coined by Bartcop at www.Bartcop.com, the place I first saw it in print.

[JHB]

15. Lets not forget dismantling the Middle class dates back to then too...

Chapter 1 of "America, What Went Wrong?" by Bartlett & Steele

http://www.politicalindex.com/wrong1.htm

An Indifferent Congress


Congress has done little to curb the abuses of the 1980s. Consider for a moment Congress's response to the leveraged-buyout and corporate-restructuring craze of the 1980s that led to the loss of millions of jobs. As mergers, acquisitions, hostile takeovers and buyouts swept corporate America in the 1980s, defenders of the restructuring process contended it was merely another stage of the free-market economy at work. During an appearance before a congressional committee in April 1985, Joseph R. Wright, Jr., then deputy director of President Reagan's Office of Management and Budget, summed up the prevailing attitude: "There is substantial evidence that corporate takeovers, as well as mergers, acquisitions and divestitures are, in the aggregate, beneficial for stockholders and for the economy as a whole."

It is true that the restructuring of business is as old as business itself So, too, the demise of corporations that are mismanaged or that manufacture products for which there is no longer any demand. Once, the Baldwin Locomotive Works sprawled over twenty acres in Philadelphia and more than 600 acres in Eddystone, Pennsylvania. At the company's peak, it employed 20,000 persons. When the market for steam locomotives disappeared, so, too, did Baldwin. In those days, when factories and technologies died out-and workers lost their jobs-new factories, new technologies replaced the old. Always at higher wages. But what sets the current era apart from the past is this: There are no new manufacturing plants to replace today's Baldwins. And the remaining jobs pay less. While the government rule book encourages deal-making over creating jobs and rewards those who engineer new pieces of paper to be traded on Wall Street rather than those who engineer new products that can be manufactured and sold, Congress has displayed little interest in making changes.

From the mid-1980s on, lawmakers distributed news releases decrying corporate excesses. They made speeches deploring the loss of jobs. They conducted hearings exploring the possibility of enacting legislation to curb abuses. They issued reports reciting their findings. At one point, the flurry of activity stirred concern on Wall Street. An article in a January 1989 issue of the Wall Street Journal, under the headline, "Wall Street Fears That Congress Will Put Brake on LBOS," began: "Fears are mounting on Wall Street that Congress may actually do something to slow down the gravy train of takeovers and leveraged buyouts."

The fears were misplaced. Lawmakers were content with giving the appearance of action: News releases. Speeches. Hearings. Reports. But nothing else. Especially no legislation. As one congressional staff member put it when he explained why committee hearings trailed off: "There simply is no interest among lawmakers in this." Indeed not. But Congress was merely following the lead of the White House and Presidents Reagan and Bush. President Bush summed up his attitudes on corporate takeovers in a question-and-answer interview with Business Week magazine: "To the degree that there are egregious offenses in these short-term takeovers that result in increased debt, I think we ought to take a look. But I have no agenda on that. I'm always a little wary about the government trying to solve problems when, historically, the marketplace has been able to solve them." Members of Congress, for their part, seemed satisfied with the arguments mounted by the experts who insisted that all was working well and that new laws were unnecessary. To Capitol Hill they came to testify, from the Harvard Business School, from Wall Street investment houses, from law firms specializing in mergers and acquisitions, from the offices of corporate raiders. People like Carl C. Icahn, who spoke on the virtues of corporate takeovers during an appearance before a House Energy and Commerce subcommittee in March 1984.

(emphasis added)

[PhilYerHead]

36. One of my very favorite books and one I recommend always. n/t

[Tuesday_Morning]

17. K & R!

:kick:

[cui bono]

18. just the other day I happened to ask for book recommendations on this...

check it out:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=209x4491

[blm]

25. I missed that thread - glad you were helped out. But a warning -

it WILL change you to get that close to the truth about what has been really going on in the world thanks to certain global fascists in our government.

[chill_wind]

20. Also see xcellent and recent thread on all of this by ProSense (link)

ProSense Sat Oct-07-06 11:31 PM

BCCI, Iran Contra relevance: UAE, Saudi, Pakistan, money and Bush family

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2870996

[barb162]

21. What are you getting at. George Senior aint running for office

Neither is Reagan. The current issues are important in and of themselves. Iraq, loss of American jobs, etc.

[blm]

27. 9-11 and Iraq policy roots are in IranContra, BCCI, and CIA drugrunning

matters. Many of the same people involved all around. Pakistan nukes and nuclear proliferation is an enormous part of the BCCI story.

Either people bother to find out the whole story, or they will buy the corpmedia distilled version that's utter crap and stay IGNORANT.

[rman]

46. Same neocon mobsters are in power now; Rumsfeld, Cheney, etc, etc

The current issues are even more important when put into historic context. It is part of a pattern, and it's about time some more people start noticing.

[H2O Man]

49. I agree

100%.

[G_j]

57. yes

the truth of the matter

[H2O Man]

28. There are two essential sources:

First, DUers are blessed to have our good friend Octafish; he has provided a goldmine of outstanding information -- all absolutely well-documented -- about this era, and explanations on how it connects and directly applies with today.

Second, DUers should take advantage of the wonderful works of Robert Parry, who broke many of the most important reports on Iran-Contra. Parry wrote for AP, Newsweek, and Frontline (PBS). He and his sons have a web site, The Media Consortium. On it, one can order his 1999 book "Lost History: Contras, Cocaine, The Press & Project Truth." It is one of the most important books on parts of the Iran-Contra scandals, that is important for understanding how the efforts in Central America directly impacted the US government and the news media.

[blm]

31. ConsortiumNews is still the best investigative news source on the internet

.

[H2O Man]

47. Perry's 2004 book

"Secrecy & Privilege: Rise of the Bush Dynasty from Watergate to Iraq" is a great read. I agree with you that "ConsortiumNews is still the best investigative news source on the internet." Parry is able to present their findings in an easy to read fashion. There has been an effort to get the public to simply forget about the numerous illegal activities that add up to "Iran-Contra" -- and Parry's work helps us to keep an accurate history of large parts of those many scandals.

[PhilYerHead]

32. Thank you. You are one of the many go to "guys" here at DU.

I've learned much from you all.

[H2O Man]

48. There are many,

many important parts of the Iran-Contra scandals .... because numerous crimes are joined together under this name. One of the things I have done over the years is to try to group them into three main sections: {1} the illegal dealings in the Middle East; {2} the horrors that the US supported and participated in, in Central America; and {3} the threat to the US Constitution that was posed by the Reagan-Bush administration(s).

One of the things that I think is very important to focus on is known as "perception management." There had been, of course, numerous examples of the federal government lying to the public since say pre-1800. And that included using the press to spread lies. (Of course, the Founding Fathers recognized the potential for abuse, which is why Amendment #1 is in the Bill of Rights.) But the most intensely coordinated efforts to use the press, radio, and television in a manner that promoted a specific group of people's political and social agenda began in earnest in 1980.

I think that Parry's "Lost History" does an amazing job of explaining, from his unique position, how the republican administration organized the attacks on the journalists who were reporting the truth about things like the US role in Central America. Now, the truth is that an accurate reporting of events in the collection of countries showed that both the right-wing "Christian" banana republicans that Reagan so loved, and the leftist groups they were fighting, had numerous flaws within. But there were many, many other groups involved, including the Christians motivated by liberation theology, and the Indian populations, who the Reaganites did not want us to hear about at all. And while it is true that many in the liberation theology camp were sympathetic to the leftists (and none of them favored the right-wingers), most of their primary focus was on the majority of the people, who were the poor people who made a living off their land, and who were terribly brutalized by the conflicts around them.

The Indian populations were surely not "communists," but rather had a traditional "communalism" that pre-dated not only Marx, but 1492. Yet the Reaganites needed to keep that simple fact away from the US public. For it was one thing to read and shed a tear for Dee Brown's "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee," but quite another thing to be fully aware that there are traditional Indian populations from Canada to South America .... and that their resources were being stolen just as much as in 1860, and often in just as violent a manner. Hence, when American-supplied and directed forces killed every man, woman, and child in a large Indian village, the snakes in the administration were prepared to lie about it. And the media accepted their lies, despite the entirety of the evidence that showed they were lying! Parry covers, for example, Elliot Abrams lying about just this thing.

Many DUers ask what happened between "All the President's Men" and the weak, lie-filled media of the 1980s. Parry is one of the best sources of information, documenting the republican attacks on the media.

[Octafish]

53. You just made it all worthwhile for me, Mr. Waterman.

Your words mean the world to me. Thank you.

Any time I've seen lists of all those who've made a difference on DU, I want to chip in but don't. I can't, really, because there are hundreds of monikers I can rattle off from memory and dozens of people I can call by name who have each contributed to what we know and can do to fight these tyrants, but I would still leave someone important off -- or mention in the wrong pecking order as measured by volume or quality or whatever subjective means.

You are one of those I can never forget -- both for what you contribute and your Friendship. Thank you for all you do, H20 Man.

[blm]

55. You two are going to make me cry.

OK - - watery eyes, anyway.

Here's to Anti-Corruption, Open Government Democrats.

May our numbers grow before it's too late.

[DemReadingDU]

29. Wow, thank you!

lots of good history in this thread


Bookmarked!

[robertpaulsen]

30. BFEE? IRAN/CONTRA? Hopefully, I'm not posting to many reprints here.

Here's what I got:

Cheney has tapped Iranian expatriate, arms dealer to surveil discussions..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=2238327

Raw Story: US Using Iraqi Terror Groups In Iran - By Larisa Alexandrovna
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=922943

Alito was in Reagan's DOJ Office of Legal Counsel during Rex84
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=145682

Ledeen, Ghorbanifar, and the strategy of tension
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=118064

PLAME= IRAN/CONTRA REDUX - Planted WMD from Ghorbanifar & Ledeen.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x66847

PLAME/AIPACGATE UPDATE: OSP tried to plant WMD in Iraq.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=60048



And, of course there's plenty more on the Iran/Contra BFEE devils on my signature link for American Judas.

[AntiFascist]

38. These are very important threads RobertPaulson...

Ledeen has constantly been pushing for military action against Iran, this is hardly a secret of the Neocons and fits into the next stage of the PNAC strategy. Every time they push for this, the truth pushes back and exposes them for what they really are.

[blm]

70. Is there ever a time when this info is repeated too often? Not till the

books are opened - that's my view.

[PhilYerHead]

37. I just want to say thank you to all that have posted info on this thread.

Thank you all one million and one times.

[PhilYerHead]

39. Just a kick to say thank you to the "old school DU'ers". n/t

[blm]

63. Hey - don't put TOO much emphasis on that "old" word, pal......

some of us baby boomers haven't succumbed to old yet. ;))))))))

[calimary]

40. Sure takes me back. Great thread - FULL of goodies.

Kicked, rec'd, and bookmarked. I want to be able to find this again.

[PhilYerHead]

41. Bless you, Calimary. Thank you for stopping in.

This is a DU Activist thread, or at least I am hoping it will become one.

Peace.

[DrDebug]

42. Iran-Contra for dummies (reprint)

Simplified overview

October Surprise X-Files (Part 7): Bush & a CIA Power Play
By Robert Parry

(...) at 2:12 p.m., Oct. 27, 1980, George Bush called Richard Allen, a senior Reagan foreign policy adviser who was keeping tabs on Carter's hostage progress. Bush ordered Allen to find out what he could about Connally's tip. Allen's notes, which I discovered many years later in an obscure Capitol Hill storage room, made clear that Bush was in charge.

"Geo Bush," Allen's notes began, "JBC -- already made deal. Israelis delivered last wk spare pts. via Amsterdam. Hostages out this wk. Moderate Arabs upset. French have given spares to Iraq and know of JC deal w/Iran. JBC unsure what we should do. RVA to act if true or not."

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/xfile7.html

Codes used:
Geo Bush = George H.W. Bush
JBC = John Connally
Spare pts / spares = Weapons
RVA = Richard Allen
JC = Jimmy Carter
JC deal = October Surprise, ie. keeping the hostages until after the election of Ronald Reagan.

That little game was totally financed with drugs money and it paid for:

The kick starter: President Reagan and Vice President George H.W. Bush

Guerrilla warfare in Central and South America

A war between Iraq and Iran

[DrDebug]

43. 1982: Setting up Central and South America

Why Does George W. Bush Fly in Drug Smuggler Barry Seal's Airplane?
by Daniel Hopsicker and Michael C. Ruppert

Any story, originally published in From The Wilderness, more than thirty days old may be reprinted in its entirety, non- commercially, if, and only if, the author's name remains attached and the following statement appears:

"Reprinted with permission, Michael C. Ruppert and From The Wilderness Publications, http://www.copvcia.com, P.O. Box 6061-350, Sherman Oaks, CA, 91413. 818-788-8791. FTW is published monthly, annual subscriptions are $50 per year."

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/copyright.html

(...)


Everybody Will Be There.
The "boys" were getting ready to go to war in the Spring of 1982:

-- CIA agent Dewey Clarridge put a proposition to Contra leader Eden Pastora. "He would become the star of the second revolution as he had been the star of the first,"

-- John Hull, whom Congressional sources said worked for the CIA since at least the early 1970s, rented a Contra safe house in San Jose, Coast Rica at CIA request.

-- Retired Air Force Major General Richard Secord began managing an operation in which Israel shipped weapons captured in Lebanon to a CIA arms depot in San Antonio, Texas, for re-shipment to the Contras.

-- Felix Rodriguez drew on his Vietnam experience and wrote a five-page proposal for the creation of an elite mobile strike force, called the Tactical Task Force (TTF), that would "be ideal for the pacification efforts in El Salvador and Guatemala."

-- And at this exact same time, in the Spring of 1982, Barry Seal began flying private planes into a then-obscure airport in the secluded mountains of western Arkansas known as Mena. He moved his base of operations from Louisiana to hook up with the CIA, which was anxious to use Seal's fleet of planes to ferry both legal and illegal supplies to Contra camps in Honduras and Costa Rica.

Rodriguez dubbed the search and destroy units "Pink Teams" and advocated using napalm and cluster bombs to give them "more destructive power." Rodriguez's proposal included a map of Central America which indicated that Nicaragua would be a target of Pink Team operations (based in El Salvador and Honduras).

Favorably impressed, Vice President George (Poppy) Bush's National Security Advisor Donald Gregg sent Rodriguez's Pink Team plan to then Deputy National Security Adviser Bud McFarlane on March 17, along with a secret one-page memo on "anti-guerrilla operations in Central America."

This was also, according to later Iran-Contra testimony of Medellin Cartel money man Ramon Milian Rodriguez, when he began to launder, at Felix Rodriguez' request, $10 million from the cartel for the Contras. In secret, sworn testimony to the Senate Foreign Relations Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations, Milian Rodriguez claimed that he had been solicited by his old friend Felix Rodriguez.

Also early in 1982 a new covert unit of the Armed Forces was set up by General Richard Stilwell. Known as the Intelligence Support Activity (ISA), it became a separate entity in the Army's secret world of special operations, with its own commander, a Col. Jerry King. The army's involvement in secret operations would first became known to the House and Senate intelligence committees in early 1982, when they discovered a project known as Yellow Fruit, which ferried undercover Army operatives to Honduras, where they trained Honduran troops for bloody hit-and-run operations into Nicaragua.

Through private front companies, like the ones that supplied Barry Seal with his fleet of smuggling aircraft, Operation Yellow Fruit ferried weapons like rapid-fire cannons to CIA operatives. It was these same operatives who later mined Nicaragua's harbors and raided oil depots, all in violation of Congressional legislation barring the Defense Department and the Agency from taking any action aimed at overthrowing the Sandinistas.

The Army went to outside businessmen and arms dealers to make off-the-books airplane purchases, with funds that had been "laundered" through secret Army finance offices at Fort Meade, Md. More than $325 million was appropriated for the Special Operations Division of the Army between 1981 and the autumn of 1983. Had any of these operations become public then it would have caused enormous political damage to the Reagan Administration's campaign in Central America, according to a 1987 New York Times report by Seymour Hersh.

"Enter CIA Agent Adler Berriman Seal" The flight plans for Seal's drug enterprise provided the perfect cover for the illicit resupply missions. Seal's planes would fly from Mena to Medellin Cartel airstrips in the mountains of Colombia and Venezuela, make refueling stops in Panama and Honduras, and then return to Mena, where, en route, the planes would drop parachute-equipped duffel bags loaded with cocaine over Seal-controlled farms in Louisiana.

"His well-connected and officially protected smuggling operation based at Mena accounted for billions in drugs and arms from 1982 until his murder four years later," said Dr. Roger Morris and Sally Denton in their book Partners in Power. They also reported that coded records of the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) showed Barry Seal on the payroll beginning in 1982.

"My investigation established a conspiratorial period, chronologically, with a first overt act and a last overt act. The first overt act was April 12, 1982," stated Arkansas state criminal investigator Russell Welch, who was charged, he thought, with digging into Seal's Mena activities. Between March and December 1982, according to law enforcement records, Seal fitted nine of his aircraft with the latest electronic equipment, paying the $750,000 bill - as was his custom - in cash.

The effects of Barry Seal's efforts to take weapons one way and bring drugs the other were soon visible, in ruined lives in the U.S. and in the maimed bodies appearing all over Central America.

"Riding the Elephant Herd" Barry Seal was not alone. When small private planes began to bomb the Nicaraguan capital, resulting in the crash of a Cessna 404 at the Managua airport, an account of how three Cessnas were secretly transported from the New York Air National Guard to Central America for the raid on Managua reached the press. It was later learned that custody of a number of additional planes were moved from the U.S. Air Force in a top-secret Joint Chiefs operation code-named "Elephant Herd," on to the CIA, via a Delaware aviation company where they were armed, and then transferred to their ultimate destination, the Contras.

A senior administration official admitted that small noncombatant military aircraft had been transferred from the Air Force to the Contras through the CIA. One company involved, Summit Aviation, was doing regular business with Barry Seal according to records in his widow's possession. In addition, according to Congressional sources, Summit, known to do Contract work for the CIA, had former CIA personnel on the payroll, and was linked through ownership records to the Cessna that crashed while bombing Managua.

(...)

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ciadrugs/W_plane.html

[PhilYerHead]

44. Thank you again. I'm amazed at the knowledge that is consistently

shared here at DU. I'm rather proud to know you all. Thank you again.

DU Rocks out when it comes to education.

[blm]

45. Look at these questions left unanswered. The books on this need OPENING.

BCCI/Plame: JK's list of outstanding questions with names/corporations

This can help all those looking further into the entire connection. The global aspect of this is astounding and is undoubtedly the key to unlock every damn crime of the BFEE and their international cabal of fascists, financiers and terrorists.

The press in this country has done an amazingly poor job of educating the citizens.



Here is Kerry's list - FROM 1992 - of things which warrant further investigation:

There have been a number of matters which the Subcommittee has received some information on, but has not been able to investigate adequately, due such factors as lack of resources, lack of time, documents being withheld by foreign governments, and limited evidentiary sources or witnesses. Some of the main areas which deserve further investigation include:

1. The extent of BCCI's involvement in Pakistan's nuclear program. As set forth in the chapter on BCCI in foreign countries, there is good reason to conclude that BCCI did finance Pakistan's nuclear program through the BCCI Foundation in Pakistan, as well as through BCCI-Canada in the Parvez case. However, details on BCCI's involvement remain unavailable. Further investigation is needed to understand the extent to which BCCI and Pakistan were able to evade U.S. and international nuclear non-proliferation regimes to acquire nuclear technologies.

2. BCCI's manipulation of commodities and securities markets in Europe and Canada. The Subcommittee has received information that remains not fully substantiated that BCCI defrauded investors, as well as some major U.S. and European financial firms, through manipulating commodities and securities markets, especially in Canada, the Netherlands, and Luxembourg. This alleged fraud requires further investigation in those countries.

3. BCCI's activities in India, including its relationship with the business empire of the Hinduja family. The Subcommittee has not had access to BCCI records regarding India. The substantial lending by BCCI to the Indian industrialist family, the Hindujas, reported in press accounts, deserves further scrutiny, as do the press reports concerning alleged kick-backs and bribes to Indian officials.

4. BCCI's relationships with convicted Iraqi arms dealer Sarkis Soghanalian, Syrian drug trafficker, terrorist, and arms trafficker Monzer Al-Kassar, and other major arms dealers. Sarkenalian was a principal seller of arms to Iraq. Monzer Al- Kassar has been implicated in terrorist bombings in connection with terrorist organizations such as the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine. Other arms dealers, including some who provided machine guns and trained Medellin cartel death squads, also used BCCI. Tracing their assets through the bank would likely lead to important information concerning international terrorist and arms trafficker networks.

5. The use of BCCI by central figures in arms sales to Iran during the 1980's. The late Cyrus Hashemi, a key figure in allegations concerning an alleged deal involving the return of U.S. hostages from Iran in 1980, banked at BCCI London. His records have been withheld from disclosure to the Subcommittee by a British judge. Their release might aid in reaching judgments concerning Hashemi's activities in 1980, with the CIA under President Carter and allegedly with William Casey.

6. BCCI's activities with the Central Bank of Syria and with the Foreign Trade Mission of the Soviet Union in London. BCCI was used by both the Syrian and Soviet governments in the period in which each was involved in supporting activities hostile to the United States. Obtaining the records of those financial transactions would be critical to understanding what the Soviet Union under Brezhnev, Chernenko, and Andropov was doing in the West; and might document the nature and extent of Syria's support for international terrorism.

7. BCCI's involvement with foreign intelligence agencies. A British source has told the Bank of England and British
investigators that BCCI was used by numerous foreign intelligence agencies in the United Kingdom. The British intelligence service, the MI-5, has sealed documents from BCCI's records in the UK which could shed light on this allegation.

8. The financial dealings of BCCI directors with Charles Keating and several Keating affiliates and front-companies, including
the possibility that BCCI related entities may have laundered funds for Keating to move them outside the United States. The Subcommittee found numerous connections among Keating and BCCI-related persons and entities, such as BCCI director Alfred Hartman; CenTrust chief David Paul and CenTrust itself; Capcom front-man Lawrence Romrell; BCCI shipping affiliate, the Gokal group and the Gokal family; and possibly Ghaith Pharaon. The ties between BCCI and Keating's financial empire require further investigation.

9. BCCI's financing of commodities and other business dealings of international criminal financier Marc Rich. Marc Rich
remains the most important figure in the international commodities markets, and remains a fugitive from the United States following his indictment on securities fraud. BCCI lending to Rich in the 1980's amounted to tens of millions of dollars. Moreover, Rich's commodities firms were used by BCCI in connection with BCCI's involving in U.S. guarantee programs through the Department of Agriculture. The nature and extent of Rich's relationship with BCCI requires further investigation.

10. The nature, extent and meaning of the ownership of shares of other U.S. financial institutions by Middle Eastern political
figures. Political figures and members of the ruling family of various Middle Eastern countries have very substantial investments in the United States, in some cases, owning substantial shares of major U.S. banks. Given BCCI's routine use of nominees from the Middle East, and the pervasive practice of using nominees within the Middle East, further investigation may be warranted of Middle Eastern ownership of domestic U.S. financial institutions.

11. The nature, extent, and meaning of real estate and financial investments in the United States by major shareholders of BCCI. BCCI's shareholders and front-men have made substantial investments in real estate throughout the United States, owning major office buildings in such key cities as New York and Washington, D.C. Given BCCI's pervasiveness criminality, and the role of these shareholders and front-men in the BCCI affair, a complete review of their holdings in the United States is warranted.

12. BCCI's collusion in Savings & Loan fraud in the U.S. The Subcommittee found ties between BCCI and two failed Savings and Loan institutions, CenTrust, which BCCI came to have a controlling interest in, and Caprock Savings and Loan in Texas, and as noted above, the involvement of BCCI figures with Charles Keating and his business empire. In each case, BCCI's involvement cost the U. S. taxpayers money. A comprehensive review of BCCI's account holders in the U.S. and globally might well reveal additional such cases. In addition, the issue of whether David Paul and CenTrust's political relationships were used by Paul on behalf of BCCI merits further investigation.

13. The sale of BCCI affiliate Banque de Commerce et de Placements (BCP) in Geneva, to the Cukorova Group of Turkey, which owned an entity involved in the BNL Iraqi arms sales, among others. Given BNL's links to BCCI, and Cukorova Groups' involvement through its subsidiary, Entrade, with BNL in the sales to Iraq, the swift sale of BCP to Cukorova just weeks after BCCI's closure -- prior to due diligence being conducted -- raises questions as to whether a prior relationship existed between BCCI and Cukorova, and Cukorova's intentions in making the purchase. Within the past year, Cukorova also applied to purchase a New York bank. Cukorova's actions pertaining to BCP require further investigation in Switzerland by Swiss authorities, and by the Federal Reserve New York.

14. BCCI's role in China. As noted in the chapter on BCCI's activities in foreign countries, BCCI had extensive activity in China, and the Chinese government allegedly lost $500 million when BCCI closed, mostly from government accounts. While there have been allegations that bribes and pay-offs were involved, these allegations require further investigation and detail to determine what actually happened, and who was involved.

15. The relationship between Capcom and BCCI, between Capcom and the intelligence community, and between Capcom's shareholders and U.S. telecommunications industry figures. The Subcommittee was able to interview people and review documents concerning Capcom that no other investigators had to date interviewed or reviewed. Much more needs to be done to understand what Capcom was doing in the United States, the United Kingdom, Egypt, Oman, and the Middle East, including whether the firm was, as has been alleged but not proven, used by the intelligence community to move funds for intelligence operations; and whether any person involved with Capcom was seeking secretly to acquire interests in the U.S. telecommunications industry.

16. The relationship of important BCCI figures and important intelligence figures to the collapse of the Hong Kong Deposit and Guaranty Bank and Tetra Finance (HK) in 1983. The circumstances surrounding the collpase of these two Hong Kong banks; the Hong Kong banks' practices of using nominees, front-companies, and back-to-back financial transactions; the Hong Banks' directors having included several important BCCI figures, including Ghanim Al Mazrui, and a close associate of then CIA director William Casey; all raise the question of whether there was a relationship between these two institutions and BCCI-Hong Kong, and whether the two Hong Kong institutions were used for domestic or foreign intelligence operations.

17. BCCI's activities in Atlanta and its acquisition of the National Bank of Georgia through First American. Although the Justice Department indictments of Clark Clifford and Robert Altman cover portions of how BCCI acquired National Bank of Georgia, other important allegations regarding the possible involvement of political figures in Georgia in BCCI's activities there remain outside the indictment. These allegations, as well as the underlying facts regarding BCCI's activities in Georgia, require further investigation.

18. The relationship between BCCI and the Banca Nazionale del Lavoro. BCCI and the Atlanta Branch of BNL had an extensive relationship in the United States, with the Atlanta Branch of BNL having a substantial number of accounts in BCCI's Miami offices. BNL was, according to federal indictments, a significant financial conduit for weapons to Iraq. BCCI also made loans to Iraq, although of a substantially smaller nature. Given the criminality of both institutions, and their interlocking activities, further investigation of the relationship could produce further understanding of Saddam Hussein's international network for acquiring weapons, and how Iraq evaded governmental restrictions on such weapons acquisitions.

19. The alleged relationship between the late CIA director William Casey and BCCI. As set forth in the chapter on intelligence, numerous trails lead from BCCI to Casey, and from Casey to BCCI, and the investigation has been unable to follow any of them to the end to determine whether there was indeed a relationship, and if there was, its nature and extent. If any such relationship existed, it could have a significant impact on the findings and conclusions concerning the CIA and BCCI's role in U.S. foreign policy and intelligence operations during the Casey era. The investigation's work detailing the ties of BCCI to the intelligence community generally also remains far from complete, and much about these ties remains obscure and in need of further investigation.

20. Money laundering by other major international banks. Numerous BCCI officials told the Subcommittee that BCCI's money laundering was no different from activities they observed at other international banks, and provided the names of a number of prominent U.S. and European banks which they alleged engaged in money laundering. There is no question that BCCI's laundering of drug money, while pervading the institution, constituted a small component of the total money laundering taking place in international banking. Further investigation to determine which international banks are soliciting and handling drug money should be undertaken.

[DrDebug]

52. More BCCI questions. What about Clearstream and Euroclear?

Clearstream and Euroclear were an integral part of BCCI and it was kept out of the investigation. The European part of Clearstream was revealed in the book called Revelation$. The US part has never been investigated and is probably just as extensive. ( http://www.webcom.com/hrin/magazine/money.html )

What was the US part of the operation?

Is the US part of Clearstream still in operation?

Why did Rudy Giuliani not investigate the connections between Clearstream and the US banks when he was presented with the evidence?

Why could Clearstream continue to operate and laundry money until the publication of Revelation$ in 2001?

Why did Citibank have 271 secret accounts at Clearstream? What were they used for?

Were Clearstream and Euroclear the only clearinghouses used for BCCI or are there more?

What is the relation between Clearstream and Silverstream software?

Has Silverstream software been specifically designed for laundry purposes via clearinghouses?

What was the relationship between Clearstream and Osama bin Laden, and why was this never investigated?

[karynnj]

59. Rudy Guiliani??

Was that from when he was mayor or DA?

[DrDebug]

60. 1990 when he was a DA. Backes send him all the information

Ernes Backes is one of the two authors who wrote Revelation$ and he was a banker at Clearstream. He knew that Guiliani was investigating BCCI and Clearstream was a part of the overall scheme. Nothing ever happened to that documentation.

There is an immense story at wikipedia already and that is just scratching the surface of what Clearstream is

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clearstream

The concept behind Clearstream is that all transactions on the Deutsche Börse (German stock exchange) gets cleared at Clearstream which is a Luxembourg clearinghouse. So annually they handle 50.0 million transactions worth € 7.593 trillion (yes, that's trillion). The trick was as follows: There are secret accounts and those accounts got mixed with the trillions which pass through Clearstream. The amount of money laundered that way is unknown but many billions pass are cleaned that way. The scale of Clearstream is immense.

We know that it was part of the overall BCCI network which after the collapse of BBCI just continued. Ernest Backes said that he transfered $7,000,000 to Iran after October Surprise, so that is how long that system has been in operation.

The exact connection from Clearstream to the US banks and the CIA is unknown, however Deutsche Börse's main owner is Deutsche Bank and the US CEO of Deutsche Bank is Buzzy Krongard who also happens to be Executive Director of the Central Intelligence Agency (isn't that a conflict of interest?) So ironically the #3 guy at Deutsche Bank (who is the main owner of Clearstream) is also the #3 at the CIA. So there are interesting unexplored sides to Clearstream.

And the other point is what other clearing houses are there. Because Euroclearing appears dubious as well and it is easy to launder billions in trillion money stream.

P.S. The Pentagon and Clearstream are the only known organizations who made trillion dollar accounting errors...

[blm]

62. And Robert Mueller was US Attorney then who claimed there were no crimes

committed to federally prosecute, he is now head of the FBI for BushInc.

Kerry wouldn't drop it, and gathered relevant info and gave to NY to prosecute on STATE charges, just to keep BCCI open as a case. EVERYONE in power wanted BCCI to go away. Most people have no idea what it took for Kerry to keep it open for so long.

[DrDebug]

67. Some erratas

Since I can't edit the post.

The E 7.5 trillion is the total amount of securities which they control. The total amount of money passing their Clearstream is unknown, however Euroclear (formerly owned by J.P. Morgan) handles $100 trillion (1) annually and have a 30% market share and Clearstream has a 40% marketshare so it's probably a little in excess of $100 trillion. It is not just the German stock exchange, they handle 40% of all the global money flows between banks.

Clearstream has not been found guilty of money laundering yet, because Luxembourg allows secret banking and has no specific law prohibiting money laundering (sic!)

What is currently known thus far is mainly related to the French scandals which Clearstream was involved in, because so far only one French newspaper has mentioned the scandal; the rest of the press seems to ignore this story.

Despite being an endless list of scandals already, there are indications that Clearstream was used by other organizations like the Mafia, Vatican, Medellin cartel, CIA, Russian oligarch, Osama bin Laden, etc... Also they seemed to have more secret accounts than public accounts.

To get an idea of the scale. BCCI was about laundering approximately $7 billion and Bank Menatep (the Russian bank involved in "Kremlingate") diverted at least $7 billion to the Bank of New York using Clearstream, and it is believed it included a $4.8 billion IMF loan to Russia which for some weird reason disappeared into thin air. So it stands to reason that Clearstream is a slightly larger scandal than BCCI.

For those who can read French, it seems that Ernest Backes has started blogging, thus making him another whistleblower who has gone online and who can personally answer questions. His blog is: http://ladominationdumonde.blogspot.com/

An overview of Revelation$ can be found at:
http://www.hound-dogs.com/cover_story/coverstory.htm

Source:
1. http://www.lemonde.fr/web/recherche_breve/1,13-0,37-707829,0.html (French: 100 000 milliard = 100 000 billion and 100 000 billion = 100 trillion)

[PhilYerHead]

68. Thanks for staying and posting. Peace. n/t

[me b zola]

58. Top notch thread

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[PhilYerHead]

66. I'm thanking all of you one more time and trying desperately to put

all this info out in front of as many as we can. It's just too damned important.

Thanks again to you all!!

[annabanana]

69. Whew!

While it's VERY important to keep all this filthy laundry exposed to the air, it's also possible to drown in the minutia during the very weeks when our energies ought to be expended in saving the scaffolding required to begin to do something about it.

(bookmarking)

[Karenina]

73. Too many have not yet figured out

WHY the scaffolding is so urgent.

[robertpaulsen]

74. Here's the latest Iran/Contra alumni update

Intelligence laundry: To Paris again

Larisa Alexandrovna
Published: Monday October 16, 2006

Senior Member of Congress met with Front Man for Arms Dealer, Sources Say

The Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Peter Hoekstra (R-MI), has recently held meetings in Paris with a front man working for Iranian arms dealer and Iran-Contra figure Manucher Ghorbanifar, US and foreign intelligence sources tell RAW STORY.

In July 2005, it was reported that Congressmen Hoekstra had travelled to Paris along with Congressman Curt Weldon (R-PA), the No. 2 Republican on the House Armed Services Committee, to meet with Ghorbanifar front man Fereidoun Mahdavi.

Two former senior intelligence officers and current intelligence sources abroad have now described a more recent meeting between Hoekstra and Mahdavi that took place in Paris sometime between the spring and summer of this year. What is by far of greatest concern to the sources is that accompanying Hoekstra on the trip was Vaughn Forrest, a mysterious character who, like Ghorbanifar, has ties to the Iran-Contra scandal.

more...

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Intelligence_laundry_To_Paris_again_1016.html

[blm]

75. People are kidding themselves when they believe IranContra and BCCI have

no relevance to what's happening today. They only prove they don't know what the hell was going on then and how it informs everything happening today, and it gets ignored THANKS to the indfifference of the uninformed.

Thankyou Larisa.

[robertpaulsen]

76. Hey blm, check out this thread

Retracing the connections with Ghorbanifer and Vaughn Forrest to John Hull and other Iran/Contra drug smuggling buddies:

Larisa Alexandrovna; Sr Congressman Met With Front Man For Arms Dealer
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x2403598

[blm]

77. caught it

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