Tucker Carlson: Repub Party has "pure contempt" for Evangelicals.

[Harper_is_Bush]

Crooksandliars video:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/10/10/tucker-carlson-to-evangelicals-duped/

I find this quite stunning. Kudos to Tucker for some long overdue honesty!

CARLSON: It goes deeper than that though. The deep truth is that the elites in the Republican Party have pure contempt for the evangelicals who put their party in power. Everybody in…

MATTHEWS: How do you know that? How do you know that?

CARLSON: Because I know them. Because I grew up with them. Because I live with them. They live on my street. Because I live in Washington, and I know that everybody in our world has contempt for the evangelicals. And the evangelicals know that, and they're beginning to learn that their own leaders sort of look askance at them and don't share their values.

MATTHEWS: So this gay marriage issue and other issues related to the gay lifestyle are simply tools to get elected?

CARLSON: That's exactly right. It's pandering to the base in the most cynical way, and the base is beginning to figure it out

Apologies if already posted.

[blm]

1. No apology necessary - SPREAD THIS VIDEO LIKE A VIRUS.

Send it everywhere.

[kurth]

8. I agree. Time for somebody to wake up and smell the roses

Spread it far and wide.

[Kikosexy2]

37. Twinkle-Toes Tucker...

actually turning on the Greedy Ol' Pedophiles (GOP)???....

[civildisoBDence]

123. So he went on Dancing With the (ever-so-minor) Stars,

and now he's stopped tap dancing around the truth?

What's up with that?

Newsprism

[Kikosexy2]

168. Simply...

Twinkle Toes can't dance period...har, har...

[Harper_is_Bush]

11. good advice. Evangelicals should be voting Dem.

They agree on the majority of issues anyway, IMO.

The fact that Repukes are just using them in this cynical fashion - and it's ADMITTED by an insider - should be the final nail to Evangelicals.

[NewJeffCT]

34. Too soon for that

A lot of the evangelicals are too conditioned on the issues of gay marriage & abortion for them to suddenly start voting Democratic. But, we can hopefully at least get them to stay home in disgust this time around.

[Zangal]

46. Evangelical Leaders

need to stay out of politics, or start their own party.
These weddings of religion and government are pretty much unholy.

[daveskilt]

175. oh PLEASE let them start their own party

also welcome to DU!

Give the people choices - for a lot of conservatives holding your nose to vote for evangelical fools instead of a democrat is no fun. Let the fiscal conservatives vote republican the evangelicals can vote the US equivalent of the UK's monster raving loony party the progressives can vote dem, the environmentally conscious types can vote green, the socialists can vote socialist, and we can end this two party everybody looses nonsense.

[lumberjack_jeff]

82. If they're evangelical because of hate, then they should keep shopping.

[Tellurian]

139. Tucker IS LYING..

Which happens to be something He IS exceptionally good at!!!

Think for a moment...Hastert had a meeting with an Evangelical leader this morning.

He said "they prayed together"...(and another poster here added, "and he slipped him $100,000" or the equivalent thereof)
We were given the impression, Hastert has the full support of the Evangelicals by that news report and I believe he does.

Whatever Carlson is peddling is designed to give Democrats the feeling of confidence..OVER confidence would be the more appropriate wording.. Why?

When people are over confident they underestimate their opposition..and that is the exact illusion Carlson is trying to create..We are dealing with serial sociopaths. What you see, is NOT what you get..

[Kurovski]

141. So, has every single religious Republican voter been apprised of this?

Have they been told that Tucker's lying? Because it is very damaging as regards their base. they will lose votes when that statement is taken to heart.

It's too weird of a theory, even for me. :-)

[Tellurian]

143. Their base doesn't care about anyone that doesn't belong..

and their biggest fear is the loss of power.

Do you think the Evangelicals will have MORE power or at least the equivalent of
what they have now, if a Demo president is elected?...Certainly not.. So, whatever
it takes, whatever is said, whatever is done, is acceptable as long as their eyes
are fixated on the prize!

They've ALL have been advised at preelection time, it's going to get very nasty out there..
and they have been told to KEEP THE FAITH...and that they will,you can rest assured on that!

[blm]

142. Carlson said what many of us KNOW is true for years - so he's NOT lying

on this matter.

What's the lie that you see anyway? The fascists have ALWAYS just used the religious people.

You think any one of the corporate elite really gives a flying fock about abortion or gays? They've probably PAID for more abortions than they have parking tickets - and they've probably paid two women to have sex they could watch more times than they ever went to church.

[Tellurian]

146. It's about control and money..

The issues are nothing more than cover for control of POWER.

Is there any doubt in your mind you're NOT dealing with serial sociopaths?

[Tellurian]

151. Don't get me wrong..

I agree with you. Carlson's public statement IS true. But is designed to give the impression the
Evangelicals are going to withdraw their support from Bush.. That definitely won't happen.

Actually, he made a risky statement that just may backfire on them in the end. If in fact, whatever (new) deal Bush
delegated Hastert to make with them; if he doesn't come through for them; then, well all bets are off..
There is a strong possibility Evangelicals WILL stay home for the midterms.

[Spiffarino]

150. No, it's the honest truth he's telling

It may be a tactic, but Tucker is saying what most people know who grew up in Republican households and/or traditional Republican districts. I did, and I can tell you that the Republicans I know have nothing but disdain for the hardcore fundies.

Old-school Repubs think they're morons but have no qualms about using them to retain power as long as the fundies don't get what they want.

[Tellurian]

152. Yes, the above post I made for clarification ..

In effect, I'm in agreement about the statement Carlson made...but thats all it is is a statement..
Nothing has changed with Carlson..he's still a slime, ever though he's ditched the bow-tie theatrics.

[Demoiselle]

2. Wow. Tucker is already scurrying down the mooring cable to the dock.

(Rats deserting sinking ship metaphor. Tee Hee.)

[yorkiemommie1]

55. thanks for the imagery!

good one!

[LetsGoMurphys]

69. I hate stickin up for Tucker

but I dont know that he was ever a full member of the ship as he was against the Iraq War from day 1 unlike our fearless democrats in congress.

[Demoiselle]

147. You're right, Letsgo...but

I guess the fact that I think he's smart enough to know better just really infuriates me. And then there are all the off hand preppy jokes. (Hey, for all I know, he's not even a preppie. It's the bow tie that gets me, It IS a good sign that he's turning on them, though.

[LetsGoMurphys]

181. Have you noticed that he has lost the bow tie?

haha pretty funny huh

[warrens]

3. Did somebody deprogram the guy?

I mean, telling the truth? A Repuke? Admitting they are a pack of slimy demagogues stirring up hate and bigotry to win elections?

He better stay out of small airplanes and away from tall buildings. Mr. Rove does not like this kind of stuff from his minions.

[druidity33]

77. i think he's libertarian... n/t

[Kierkegaard]

84. I've seen him without his bow tie quite a lot lately.

Maybe he's getting some oxygen to his brain now.

[Tellurian]

148. Its all part of the plan..

Tucker has suddenly gone mainstream...dancing etc..

It's all a sham..They are using him as a point for this War..Talking against the Eves
hoping gullible Demos will take him into their confidence.

Believe me, I wish it were True. Oh, I don't doubt the statement alone is True, that Bush has
never gotten along with the Evangelicals. Yes, I believe that...but Bush has keep them appeased
by funneling money to their charitable organizations, which is how he gained their election support in the first place.

The one thing I've learned over time about Republicans is...YOU CAN NEVER, NEVER, TRUST THEM...NEVER!

[Burma Jones]

4. Well Duh

It's all about the money

Evangelicals are about as stupid as you can get, EVERYONE besides other Evangelicals has contempt for these fools.

[Demoiselle]

7. Rove himself said "Once they get educated, we lose 'em." Contempt, anyone

[calimary]

79. I heard a similar rove quote: "too much education is not necessarily

a good thing."

[Imagevision]

115. OR, "education is power"

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

26. Sorry, you're going with a stereotype here.

Evangelicals are from every level of education and every place in the social spectrum.

Their beliefs make them gullible and easily manipulated, but it doesn't make them stupid.

[Burma Jones]

Gullible and Easily Manipulated pretty well sum up stupid for me

Ignorance is one thing, but Fundies of all stripes seem to give up on learning anything outside of their narrow world view

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

165. The IT field is loaded with very intelligent fundamentalists

Their interest in learning is limited to what they need to know to make a living, their hobbies and their faith. They are threatened by ideas that threaten their world view and choose to avoid them.

Early in my career, one of my supervisors went to a community college to study programming instead of taking a scholarship to a university. She explained that she didn't want them "destroying my faith" or some such.

IT is an area that is very friendly to black and white thinking.

[Ken Burch]

40. That, and evangelicals hardly have a monopoly on gullibility.

We need to find a way to respond to this statement that doesn't make us look like we have contempt for evangelicals as human beings just because we disagree with the worst of their beliefs.

We also need to be listening to progressive evangelicals like Jim Wallis.

[connecticut yankee]

54. Anybody who votes Repub

is gullible.

[Imagevision]

116. and, even Tucker is shopping for some new inspiration

[LiberalFighter]

111. Being educated doesn't mean they are smart

[ikojo]

113. AMEN!!! Look at Bush...anyone with his educational

background...Andover..Yale...Harvard would be said to be well educated but he is hardly well educated. All a degree proves to me is that you had the funds available to pay tuition. Very few schools are going to kick out a student whose parents can write the full check.

Also, many of the supporters of the early Nazis came from the "educated" classes...doctors and professors.

[colorado thinker]

135. Amen again!

Not to offend anyone but colleges and universities have been turning out MBA's by the hundreds of thousands the last couple of decades, and unfortunately, ethics, integrity and common sense don't seem to be part of the curriculum. Judging by what I see in the halls of corporate America every day.

[daveskilt]

176. show me one nobel prize winning fundie and Ill believe you

A Phd from Regents or liberty university in flinstonology with a dissertation on when men and dinosaurs lived together 6000 years ago doesnt show a wide spectrum.

I get what you're saying - some educated good folks believe this baloney - but its like nascar - sure people from all walks of life like it but the stereotype of the unwashed redneck comes from a vast and overwhelming majority fitting that stereotype.

[Alcibiades]

186. Some stereotypes are true

Yes, it is true that there are folks from all income levels who identify as evangelical, fundamentalist or born again, but compared to the general population, these folks tend to have less education than those who do not identify as such. Furthermore, when we control for political ideology, we find conservative evangelicals, fundamentalists and born agains have lower levels of education than this category as a whole.

This subgroup--what we call the religious right--has deep roots in the south, but today, its views flourish wherever ignorance is found. Still, culturally, it has been nurtured by multiple generations of folks who disdain book learning (exceptin' the Bible, of course, on account of it being the literal word of God.) I write this as a man who has a Ph.D., but also has female cousins who have never cut their hair, shaved their legs or worn makeup.

[demigoddess]

193. they are also mean people with no respect for rules.

My sons were both beaten up regularly by kids raised by these people and the parents when they found out what was going on, their attitude was that was okay as long as the kid did not fight back. The minute they fought back, the religious paarents with the bullying children all of a sudden yelled foul and "you cant do that to MY kid". In other words they all acted a lot like George Wussy bush

[wake.up.america]

36. I said this a long time ago. It is all about money and power.

The Flag and the Bible are nothing but come ons for these crooks.

[tomreedtoon]

74. "It's all about the money" in another way, too.

Now that it looks like the Good Ship Lollypop is sinking, the happy stewards like Carlson and Tweety are saying, "Well, the Republicans are corrupt, we knew it all the time, we're your friends now, gimme a dollar."

I say we treat these turncoat journalists the same way Republicans treated Democrats. Wait until the election is won, then turn and attack them for their boot-licking. And to prevent it from happening again, break up the media monopolies that allowed this concentration of power in the first place. Because while it's tempting to turn that huge apparatus against the Republican interests, look what happened to the Republicans this time. There should be many individual voices giving us news and information, not just five megacorps.

[Terran]

107. In case you didn't know,

Jimmy Carter is an Evangelical Chrisitan (and he won a Nobel Prize, I believe). So stop stereotyping people, it's not very progressive of you.

[Burma Jones]

127. Yeah, when's the last time he went out "Evangelizing"

and you know what we mean by Evangelical........and it ain't Jimmy Carter

[Terran]

133. The point is...

calling all members of any group "stupid" is stupidity itself. I don't think any of you know what, exactly, Evangelical Christians are; you yourself are obviously equating them with people who stand on crates on street corners yelling at passers-by about hellfire and damnation. As Jimmy Carter demonstrates, that's not what they are.

Have they been naive for supporting the GOP? Yes. No one is arguing that.

[B3Nut]

174. And hopefully, more evangelicals will realize

that the Ayatollah Falwelli and Mullah Al-Dobsoni and those other twerps are like wolves in sheep's clothing, and their teachings are merely satanic skidmarks on the underwear of the cosmos. Actually following Jesus's teachings entails, among other things, rejecting most of the verbal effluvium that gang spouts.

Todd in Beerbratistan

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

5. Yes, I know them too, Tucker but, instead, we left the Republican party

The ends don't always justify the means. Cozying up to theocrats is dangerous politics.

Between the theocrats and the neocons, the Republican party is an ugly breed unworthy of my affiliation and certainly has been unworthy of my vote for years.

[bluerum]

6. Denial. De-nile. Da-nail. Doh-nahl. Dee-nyal. Duh-nal.

Do de do de do.

DENIAL!

Who needs reality anyway - we the rapture.

[BOSSHOG]

9. Evangelicals have nothing but contempt for the constitution

the gop and the religiously insane deserve each other, in Iran.

[Poiuyt]

10. I recall Tom Delay (or one of his aides) saying that they just use the

religious right to get their agenda through, but are laughing at them while they are doing it. Or words to that effect.

[varun]

12. If you saw the Bill Moyers program about Abramoff

on PBS recently, the repukes used the "Whackos" (their own words) to agitate against gambling, while taking lobbying money from Indian tribes who were in the gambling business.

They (Repukes) called the evangelicals "Whackos" behind their back, yet used them as political tools...

[Poiuyt]

14. I think that was what I was thinking of. Thanks

[WorseBeforeBetter]

68. I saw it, but are the "whackos" watching Bill Moyers?

Some of them do seem to seem to be facing reality, however, look at Ralph Reed.

[LuckyLib]

95. The number of racist names they had for the Indian groups was

astounding. All the while, raking in those tribal millions.

[Imagevision]

117. How many millions and who scored the highest? Delay, Abramoff or

Ralph Reed?

[ellacott]

13. They are in such denial

They wouldn't believe it if they heard it from Karl Rove himself. It's amazing that a non-christian can manage to fool all these christians.

[hippiechick]

163. Exactly ....

... Bush, Cheney, etc don't give a rat's ass one way or the other about abortion, gay marriage, partial birth abortion, assisted suicide, stem cell research, prayer in school or any of the other flamebait ssues that they harp on at election time ... the only reason they pretend to have a moral conviction is to rabble up the fundies and fill the collection plates.

What it's always come down to them is how do we get power, and how do we keep it?
They'll tell any lie they have to if there's a $1000 bill attached to it.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

15. Hey! Tucker! Ix-nay on the onesty-hay!

[The Backlash Cometh]

16. Yo, Tucker. At least the evangelicals were your moral base.

You've got nothing left but pure, unadulterated greedy.

[BurgherHoldtheLies]

19. Oh yes, "moral" pillars like Falwell, SpongeDob and Patwa Robertson

And, no, I don't buy the little people are all good in the theocratic movement either. I've seen some pretty hateful crap out of the regular sheeple.

[The Backlash Cometh]

20. Oh, trust me. I didn't buy that moral base shit, either.

[tblue]

25. The MOST hypocritical people I ever met call themselves Christians

How many Ku Klux Klan-types call themsleves Christians? Almost all. Calling yourself a 'Christian' dudn't mean crap.

Don't think I've ever met a dishonest atheist or agnostic, tho. Oh wait, there's Karl Rove. Never mind....

Not all Republicans are evil, craven, hateful liars and cheats, but all evil, craven, hateful liars and cheats are Republicans.

[barb162]

17. I have a hard time keepng him and Scarborough apart

but one of them in the last week was crapping all over the pugs re the Foley stuff

[greeneyedboy]

18. deserting the sinking ship

wow, between this and Wolf Blitzer of all people challenging a Republican (Patrick McHenry R-NC) on his coy accusations that Democratic reps. had something to do with the timing of revelations in the Predatorgate cover-up, i have to wonder whether even the corporate-controlled media have run out of patience. it's about time.

[ms liberty]

21. K&R: Because occasionally, even Tucker Carlson is right...

I have a love/hate relationship with Tucker. Most of the time I can't stand him, but once in a while he is exactly right. He is the one who was interviewing *Bush when he mocked Karla Faye, the woman who was on death row and asking for clemency. When Tucker Carlson wrote about that interview he was disgusted by The Decider's behaviour and said so, IIRC. I know I've seen him speak talk about it since then, and I remember that it did generate some bad press at the time.
This is another example where I have to agree with him. I also like the idea of separating the extreme xtian right from the elite repuke hierarchy.

[proud2BlibKansan]

38. Same here

I really don't like Tucker much. He has been very critical of Cindy Sheehan and that rubs me the wrong way.

But every once in awhile, he says something that is so honest and straight forward, it is almost stunning.

[David Zephyr]

22. K&R. Why doesnt' James Dobson confront David Dreier?

Why? Because Dobson is hypocrite and values his power more than his phony beliefs.

[NewJeffCT]

35. There is a whole list of "in the closet" gay Republics

Supposedly: Dreier, Lindsay Graham, Kenny Mehlman... and, who exactly was gay hooker Jeff Gannon visiting at the White House those 200 times?

[Raster]

122. the REAL question is: In the most secure building on the planet, how does

a known male prostitute not only get logged in and then admitted to the White House, but seems to have been accorded free reign AND often does not even sign out? EVERYONE, except for the immediate First Family that reside in the White House, MUST sign in and out. All potential guests to the White House are vetted to the "nth" degree. Once admitted, the location of EVERY guest in the White House is known to the Secret Service, EXCEPT for the most intimate of personal guests of the First Family, who are accorded access to the third floor private living quarters. So how does "Bulldog" Gannon/Guckert rate?

[eridani]

23. The corporate elite just wants their tax cuts--

--not being told by sweaty tent revivalists how to run their sex lives.

[MattP]

24. Evangelicals

You mean me and those scumbags have something in common, contempt for those fundie nuts, the only diff is I don't kiss their ass.

[w4rma]

27. Carlson looks more mature than before.

[Crunchy Frog]

51. Do you suppose that he's finally hit puberty?

[feminazi]

59. nah, he's just not wearing a bow tie!

*

[Imagevision]

118. No Bowtie? ya think? - or, why stay on the Titanic??

[Bucky]

110. Don't worry. Tucker'll be back to saying his usual petulant brat shit soon

Opposing the war was his broken-clock-twice-a-day moment. Probably a residual effect of having just cleared draft age.

[progressoid]

28. Bashing Repubs is all the rage now!

[WorseBeforeBetter]

70. Yeah, I've noticed that.

What's going on? (Tin foil hat time!!)

[progressoid]

81. I think its a combination of things.

Some want to keep their jobs.

Some are truely pissed at their party but didn't have the spine to say anything until the tide had turned.

Some are rats jumping ship.

...

[undeterred]

29. There was a quote in Howard Dean's book

from when they were both governors. They were talking to each other at an event and one of Bush's handlers came up and told him he had a call from the christian coalition. Bush excused himself and said "I hate these people"

[Jack Rabbit]

30. He just figured this out, did he?

From Democratic Undergound
Dated January 8, 2002

All in the Family
by Jack Rabbit

Could Archie Bunker be persuaded to vote for the Meathead? Or at least for the same progressive candidate for whom the Meathead would vote? This idea would have been absurd in the seventies, when Americans tuned in every week to watch the working class bigot played by the late Carroll O'Connor make a fool of himself berating his politically progressive son-in-law (Rob Reiner) on the popular TV series All in the Family . . . .

Archie may have voted for independent presidential candidate George Wallace in 1968; at least we know many people like him did. In 1972, Wallace, a Southern Democrat, returned to the fold of the party, but most who voted for him four years earlier, like Archie, voted for Nixon. Prior to 1968, Archie was probably a solid, loyal Democrat. He may have been old enough to have voted in his first election for Roosevelt; although Archie as we knew him scorned FDR and his legacy, in the thirties and forties Archie was a beneficiary of the New Deal and no doubt knew a good thing when he saw it.

However, since 1972, Archie and those like him have displayed rather interesting voting behavior. Hurt by the recession of the mid-seventies, they voted for Jimmy Carter over Nixon's successor, Jerry Ford. After Carter proved ineffective, they voted for Ronald Reagan in both 1980 and 1984. Thus, the former Wallace voters were now designated as Reagan Democrats (if Archie is like many other blue-collar voters, he never changed his registration). They also voted for Bush in 1988. However, the early nineties brought more uncertain times, and Archie - perhaps holding his nose - voted for Bill Clinton in 1992 and 1996. In 2000, the blue collar vote split between Bush and Gore.

What is even more interesting is what Archie and the other blue collar voters who have been on this winning streak in presidential elections have to show for it. Nothing. In fact, less than nothing. Ronald Reagan, arguing for his re-election, asked voters if they were better off in 1984 than in 1980. Most appreciated the economic stability brought by the lower rate of inflation since he had come to office and rewarded him accordingly. However, in a longer term view, Archie Bunker was not better off in 1984 (when he voted for Reagan) then in 1948 (when he voted for Truman). And he isn't better off today. The American working class has gone backwards . . . .

In a word, as a reward for voting for the winning conservative and centrist candidates in presidential elections for thirty years, the American blue-collar worker has been screwed.

Read more.

[I Have A Dream]

91. That was interesting. Thanks! n/t

[trogdor]

144. Archie wrote in Reagan in 1976.

It was on the show.

[proud2BlibKansan]

31. Praise the Lord!

Finally someone is figuring all this crap out. Hot Tub Tom is not really a Christian, neither is Saint Rick Santorum or King George. It's about time they saw the light.

[Jacobin]

32. They're dumber than I thought if they're just figuring this out

And I already knew they were dumb

[bleedingheart]

33. the "extra chromosome" club is what Atwater called them..

and that has been well known...although they have tried to pin it on other folks....

[Supersedeas]

44. prepare for a phalanx of recant recant recant recant recantation

[bleedingheart]

48. that or the "finger in the wind" conservatives are preparing to

make money as Liberal commentators...

in the end ...they have no morals or ideaology...they are in it for the money

[bpeale]

39. alternate universe?

did i somehow enter some kind of alternate universe? tucker carlson said this? i think i have to lay down now.

[Burma Jones]

41. Hey Evangelicals.......

Jesus had a good point when he told y'all

"Be not of this world"

You are just going to be chewed up and spit out by the same sort of hypocrites that Christ battled in his day.....

[OnionPatch]

78. Well, out here in CA they all have

bumper stickers, very, very fancy ones, that say "Not of This World." I saw one the other day that said, "If you're not of this world, please go back." :D Personally, I wish I had the guts to have one that says, "I AM of this world, and I'd like to respect it, if you don't mind."

[Hawaii Hiker]

42. I Love This Story!!!

I can't stand the Christian right, these are the meanest & most judgemental thugs around (I'm not religious, but doesn't the Bible say something to effect of "judge not, lest ye be judged")...Many of these holier than thou holigans think because they attend a Sunday service & drop a couple dollars in the poor box, that they are somehow above all others (others being the non-believers).....

Moral values to Democrats means trying to fix the Iraq mess, trying to increase a minimum wage not increased since 1997, trying to get good/affordable healthcare for people, trying to fix social security, etc - in other words, trying to solve real issues & real problems.....Moral values to the re-thug-licans means saying Howard Stern & Jenna Jameson are the causes of all the worlds' ills & that they need to be stopped, LOL....The Government should NOT be telling people what to listen to & watch, & that's what the christian right wants, govt. to censor everything - they are a dangerous bunch!

[yellowcanine]

43. Stopped Clock. Correct. Twice a Day. ; Blind Pig. Acorn.

Just sayin'.

[Harper_is_Bush]

45. I understand anger at the Evangelicals for getting Bush elected...

but please don't bash them.

They believe what they believe (a la gay marriage and abortion) and although I disagree, I won't condemn them for their beliefs anymore than I'd want someone to condemn me for believing gay marriage is ok.

They've been USED by the Republican party.

The Democratic party should welcome them, and act to implement their shared value of concern for the planet and the people on it.

[durrrty libby]

49. I will bash them every day and twice on Sunday

I abhor these ignorant holier than thou jackasses.

To me, they are no better than the KKK, who also “believe what they believe”
:spank: :banghead:

[Bretttido]

96. What about the millions of evangelicals that don't support Republicans?

Do you want to Bash them too?

[durrrty libby]

102. “What about the millions of evangelicals that don't support Republicans?”

Well, now you are just making stuff up. However if there are millions of them not supporting pukes,

Then bully…bully, and they need to tell the rest of their clan….to come to the light.

[Bretttido]

178. Yes, there ARE millions that don't support republicans

In 2004, somewhere around 75% of evangelicals voted for Bush. That is 25% that did NOT vote for Bush. And seeing that there are 50+ million evangelicals in America, and that the most right-wing radicalized among them are the ones that go to the polls in record numbers, it is easy to see that, yes, there are millions... tens of millions.

[mondo joe]

50. I can't condemn beliefs now?

What can I condemn?

[Harper_is_Bush]

52. Condemn beliefs, don't condemn the people...

..some believe what they believe because they've been raised in that environment.

If you show them something else you might win over some hearts and minds.

If you just condemn them, you've solidified your opposition.

[mondo joe]

61. I don't see any reason to hold them less accountable for their

beliefs than any other person. Can I condemn the KKK? Can I condemn terrorists?

[Harper_is_Bush]

65. Your examples are flawed. Terrorism does not equal a single belief

Certainly condemn a terrorist for conducting an act of terrorism.

KKK...that is a violent organization. I condemn their violence and hatred and their organization, but not automatically all individuals within that organization.

Do you condemn all evangelicals?

[mondo joe]

71. Neither does Evangelicialism.

I'm fine condemning any asshole - including the evangelical sort. The fact that they sincerely believe is meaningless to me.

[Maven]

160. Exactly.

Cult members "sincerely believe" too.

And as far as I'm concerned, many of these people exhibit cult behavior.

[LiberalLovinLug]

98. Harper_is_Bush says...

"..some believe what they believe because they've been raised in that environment.

If you show them something else you might win over some hearts and minds.

If you just condemn them, you've solidified your opposition."

I agree. And this CAN be applied to terrorists. At least the ones that have joined since 9/11 in responce to the idiots in charge mass murders.
You'll never win over the hardened elite terrorist, who is probably a little whacky. The same is true on the Evangelical side.
But by educating them (both groups) in a non-confrontational way, you may just win over enough, and eventually they may even drop some of their more radical beliefs, as they allow themselves to become more enlightened. Of course this can never even be approached unless we get a progressive congress, senate, and president. Not necessarily Democrat,....Progressive.

[Homer Wells]

58. I have no problem with them believing what they believe

I DO have a problem with them attempting to force their beliefs on me, and using the power of the government to bash those with different beliefs.
Just sayin'

[Lars39]

62. I condemn them and I *do not* welcome them into the Democratic Party

if they are working towards banning abortion and birth control or trying to deny gay people rights.
Enough is enough.

[w4rma]

67. I agree. They should be voting Democratic, because it is Democrats

who support Jesus's teachings.

They need to get over using the law to *force* people to do things. They need to love folks who are different from them, and who want to live their lives in peace with others, instead of trying to punish them.

That's really the bottom line. It's not that they can't (or even perhaps shouldn't) hold their beliefs. It's that they need to quit trying to *force* those beliefs on others.

Democrats should have no problem working with evangelicals that love their neighbors (rather than fearing them or wishing to punish them) and who don't believe in forcing others to obey their beliefs.

[Harper_is_Bush]

90. Nice one. Good post.

Some would rather shun evangelicals because they all (it is assumed) want to deny gays equal rights and women their rights.

The democratic party is not a monolithic party though, and those who would shun anyone with a particular view on a particular issue is missing the point.

If an anti-abortionist wants to join with Dems because they believe in striving for peace instead of always war and because they are the party of environmental stewardship I say let them join. Perhaps they will become more progressive on the abortion issue due to newfound exposure with a new party.

[L0oniX]

76. They have failed to qualify to vote because they are morons

...morons who follow the idiotic and conflicting teachings of the wolves who take their tithe money and feed them what they want to hear. I think we should have a qualification test before we let people vote or we will see the repukes load up the busses at the local mental hospital to take them to vote again!

:freak:

[w4rma]

126. Quit acting facetious. (nt)

[Bretttido]

94. I agree with you

I doubt those who bash evangelicals know any personally... or they've formed a stereotype of 50+ million people based on their contacts with a few. If evangelicals are not being brainwashed by republicans, their core values as derived from the Bible consist of caring for the poor, protecting the environment, and living in peace. The differences beyond that are reconcilable, imho.

[tlsmith1963]

124. Oh, I've Known Some

I grew up in the Mormon church, & the fundies bashed us all the time. I am no longer a practicing Mormon, but I would side with them any day against the fundies. I don't like to see the fundies bashing other religions. I think that people should be able to choose the religion they want to follow without someone getting in their face about it. That's democracy & freedom, something the fundies don't believe in.

Tammy

[patrick t. cakes]

132. evangelicals

could careless about the environment.
or poor people for that matter.

[Bretttido]

179. Don't confuse evangelical with right-wing evangelical

[Zhade]

183. Evangelical: "there is no salvation except through Jesus."

That is authoritarian - and rightwingers are authoritarian.

I fail to see how evangelism itself isn't rightwing by nature.

[Bretttido]

185. The definition of evangelical is not universal

The real issue, I believe, is that not all people who describe themselves as evangelical share the same definition of the word. Some may understand all implications of it. Others may simply associate their church as evangelical, and immediately assume that means they themselves are an evangelical; even though they have liberal beliefs.

[daveskilt]

140. I bash them for what they believe more than for voting dimwit in

handle some snakes by golly. Earth made in 6 days 6000 years ago etc.

They can live their moronic, luddite, anti-science, delusional lives however they want. BUT when they start telling me that my kids have to learn their lunacy instead of science in schools my taxes pay for - they can go to hell and die

[Maven]

159. Wrong.

Hatred and Acceptance are not coequal "viewpoints."

a) I'll condemn them for their "beliefs" every day of the week. This is MY life on the line, not yours, and I won't give credit to ignorant, hateful people where none is deserved.

b) Don't paint them as innocent victims. They've used the Republican Party as much as the Republican Party has used them.

c) Theocrats have no place in the Democratic Party. Period.
.

[Zhade]

182. I condemn their backward, antiquated, WRONG beliefs about humanity...

...and the world.

I'll do it all day, every day, if I so desire. Beliefs like theirs are DANGEROUS.

[Ksec]

47. not only gay marriage but the abortion issue also

As much as I dislike Carlson, he can get it right occasionally.

[Cameron27]

53. The Titanic's going down,

and Tucker Carlson just stuck one arm into a life jacket.

[Autonomy]

56. What's really going on here?

It's almost as if the Repubs are TRYING to lose this election.

[tinfoilinfor2005]

131. Well, duh...

Someone has to clean up this mess! And obviously they don't have a clue.

[Harper_is_Bush]

57. Anyone have an account on YOUTUBE? This needs adding....

and then let us know where it is so we can view it there!

[Divine Discontent]

101. YOUTUBE VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxp1d-2Ltts
Tucker for the masses to see on youtube! :)

[Harper_is_Bush]

105. THANKYOU!!!! I was the 12th viewer!

[Harper_is_Bush]

120. Is that you who added that? It needs to be added again under a different

title!

Include Tucker Carlson in the title and it'll come up more often.

[Divine Discontent]

155. youre welcome

yeah, that was me. I put a "V" get out the vote video on my videos, also. It should come up in search with his full name, because I put it in the tags.

[blm]

161. Harper, repost the YouTube link in its own thread so we can work to spread

it more efficiently.

If we get the numbers up on YouTube, it will get greater buzz.

Thanks for staying on top of this.

I think it's a very important step.

[Catherine Vincent]

60. They probably don't give a hoot.

Because they like being used like some dishrag.

[madmusic]

63. Anyone surprised?

Other than the fundies, of course.

They will use ANY cause, ANY bandwagon, ANY PERSON.

And like Bush when he signed execution orders, they "will never lose a minute's sleep."

[Canuckistanian]

64. Say your prayers, Carlson

You're about to be "fucked like you've never been fucked before"

[LetsGoMurphys]

66. From what I've been hearing from Tucker lately

is that he has pure contempt for the Republican Party as well. You gotta admire those who put their ideals before the party.

[L0oniX]

72. Hey, where is the ass carrots bow tie?

[robertpaulsen]

73. Everyone who's seen Fahrenheit 9/11 knows who * considers his "base".

And for those who haven't seen it, here's a hint: it ain't evangelicals!

[Divine Discontent]

92. I love this breaking news... look at em jump the sinking boat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TL7qkUMA95w&mode=user&search=
this is a unique crowd - the haves and the have mores. some people call you the elite.... I call you my base




www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable <<-- antibush prodem stickers/shirts

[wildeyed]

75. I guess taking off the bow tie allowed more oxygen to get to his brain.

Musta been wearing it too tight.

[Mr_Spock]

80. Huhhhh???

I'm making the Scooby sound now.

[Hepburn]

83. Wow....

...talk about getting a shock that Tucker said this! :wow:

I think most of us libs and Dems have known this for a very long time...but for him to just put that out.... :wow:

Well, congrats to Tucker for becoming a member of the human race!!

[Xipe Totec]

85. Tucker is here on a tourist visa

Don't count on him becoming a permanent resident.

[Hepburn]

89. Great reply...

...LMBO!! :rofl:

[mopinko]

86. it is scary to see these guys telling the truth

i'm used to the lies. if they are going to start telling the truth, i need to rethink everything.

[stepnw1f]

87. They Should For Their Own Party=Theocrats

or fanatocrats

[bliss_eternal]

88. I would appreciate it if they could stop referring to

same sex couples and the glbt community as a "lifestyle" as if it's a choice, a fad or a hobby, as opposed to who they are. But given who said it, I'm sure that's asking too much. :eyes:

But, I am glad to hear that Fucker is acknowledging the oh so obvious after what...six years.:sarcasm:

Not that quick on the draw is he? Somebody buy that guy a fuckin' clue. Wonder who fed him this idea...? :eyes:

Oh and fuck all the people on his street, and Carlson, too....if this is how they felt, they could have made a difference. He's full of shit, and merely trying to sound like he's got a handle on something, that the rest of us knew the day they declared war on gays. They still vote the Republican ticket because they fear all those brown people, and poor people, and gays and women,etc. and their social programs. Let's not forget the middle class actually inching closer to their elusive status elite.

Fuck them all... :mad::grr:

[raggedcompany]

93. No kudos to Tucker, even if he accidentally spoke some truth.

Tucker can eat shit and die.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

97. He's known all along. He chose to lie all these years.

Reminds me of a story Al Franken tells about him in Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. Carlson had reported that, at the memorial for Paul Wellstone, "Republican friends of Senator Wellstone were booed and shouted down as they tried to speak." Franken, who had attended the memorial in person, called him and asked him why.

"Tucker seemed genuinely embarrassed. 'Gee, I try to always tell the truth, because I know people are watching and can catch me.'

"'No, Tucker,' I assured him, 'I know you tell the truth because it's the right thing to do.'"

Well, it turned out that Carlson hadn't actually seen the memorial when he said that on Crossfire. But he didn't bother mentioning that little fact to his viewers.

Maybe Tucker is starting to think for himself. Maybe he'll be the next David Brock, and turn the light on the dark corners. Or maybe Keith Olbermann's success is making him think, "Man, I gotta do something if I wanna keep my job at MSNBC." I vote for some variation of the latter.

[Festivito]

99. CAREFUL: This obscures the SEX SCANDAL and SS that really make rwx mad.

Some pundit named Tucker-whatever will be dismissed by Fundies. Oh, he could just be another lefty to them.

Social Security taken, or a sex scandal will garner their votes for our side. Thus the mistaken D's by Foley and Hastert.

Tucker could be another ploy. This story wastes our time. Too vague. Better are the Abramoff emails than this.

[Divine Discontent]

100. true the bigger story is the Abramoff deal

but many regular folks could care less about that, if we can use Abramoff with the intellectual crowd, and their contempt for evangelicals/foley scandal with regular average Americans, we make a hard road for them to win close battles.

[Nimrod2005]

103. So true.

[geniph]

104. Even a broken clock is right twice a day

I guess it was Tucker's time.

[intheflow]

106. I saw this.

Couldn't believe it. Tucker was speaking truth! I'm sure he'll go back to his assinine self, but for one brief second in time, he channeled a human soul. It was refreshing.

[libhill]

108. I've been saying that for years...

all the Rethugs care about, ultimately, is money. That's who they are, that's where they're coming from, that's what they're about: $$$$$$$$$$. End of story...

[madrchsod]

109. big deal

i guess a lot of people didn`t understand that...the elite`s have always thought that that brand of religion for the great unwashed...as a christian i should feel sorry for them but i don`t..

[ikojo]

112. No, it does not surprise me that the pugs have

contempt for evangelical christians....I think even the leaders of the evangelical movement have contempt for their followers. All are just pawns in a game to obtain and maintan their power

Elites of both parties don't really care about their base. Thing is the democratic base is well aware of how much contempt the party has for it which may explain lost electoral opportunities over the years.

[Maccagirl]

114. Repukes are cynical liars eh?

Who would have thunk it...

Too bad the brilliant minds at Time magazine didn't run the "Elephants ass" cover in 1980 when the "revolution" was being foisted upon the unknowing US public.

[Imagevision]

119. Tucker: "and the base is beginning to figure it out" NT/

[tlsmith1963]

121. Problem Solved

If the fundies leave the Republican Party, they will be marginalized again & we won't have to worry about them destroying the country anymore. The fundies don't believe in democracy & freedom, and some of them seem to admire the Taliban. So if they leave the Republicans, good riddance. Maybe I could actually be friends with Republicans again.

Tammy

[whistle]

125. Boy Tucker must have really been crushed when he didn't win

...Dancing with the Stars! It made him see the light perhaps

[Imagevision]

128. Tucker is a smart ole chap, even big biz would seek out the winning party.

[rpannier]

129. So Tucker "Fred Upstairs" Carlson

is saying he isn't an elitist.
Come on...f**ker carlson is a prissy, elitist puke.
Next thing you know, he'll be pulling a shill o'lielly and be telling us about his humble origins.

[Imagevision]

130. Tucker an elitist? perhaps, but surely not a dumb one

[confludemocrat]

170. Yeah, I don't get all the "wow, tucker's woken up!" shit here, this is a

disgusting mean little asshole who is simply pissed at how easily the incompetents who run that sick party were caught, how they self-destructed.
You don't think more than half these hard right Washington-based pundits KNEW about this Foley story and other like it? For years, including him? Fuck yes they did.

[Fire Walk With Me]

134. Gotta tap those who will always vote. What will happen if the religios

realize that they've been used? Much less the Freepers, whose patriotism has been manipulated?

[Freeusfromthechurch]

136. WOW, WOW ,WOW, WOW ,WOW, WOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Harper_is_Bush]

154. WOW!!!!!

[Hippo_Tron]

137. Perhaps not having the bow-tie has restored circulation to his brain

[Kurovski]

138. That took some real guts. I'll bet his old partner Bill Press is proud.nt

[kdpeters]

145. Well that's a big "DUHHHH"

Why a bunch of hard working faithful people put their trust in the wealthy, spoiled, prim and prissy snobs we used to despise has always dumbfounded me. It's too complicated to credit any one factor, but the gay issues have not been an insignificant influence. I've been wondering how long the country club Republicans could keep up the charade. Now I just wonder if it's too late.

[meowomon]

149. Hey Christian Right (wrong)

You've been pwned! DOH!

Oh and by the way, Jesus never said it was wrong to be Gay. I defy everone of the Gay hating "chritians" to find one word where Jesus himself condemned homosexuals. There, I knew you couldn't. 'CAUSE HE NEVER SAID IT! It was Paul, the Roman murderer who never even met Jesus! Jesus spoke about infidelity to your mate as a sin, never once did he mention being gay was sinful. Don't you think that if it was that important that Jesus would have at least mentioned it once? Damn, y'all just pick and choose whatever bible verse you want to justify your hate. White southerners used the bible all the time to justify slavery. Get a clue!

[Joe Bacon]

153. Doesn't matter, they will STILL come out and vote GOP

Too many of them have been totally brainwashed to vote against their own best interests :-(

[Erika]

156. I disagree. They've been taught to hate gays

and the GOP is the party of gays.

[Zhade]

184. "the GOP is the party of gays." - what?

What do you mean?

[WernhamHogg]

157. If Tucker is actually waking up

If Tucker is actually waking up (IMO it's doubtful, but possible) good for him. Frankly, I know that some of the evangelicals voted for Georgie because they believe he is a "good Christian man". No matter how many times I hear evangelicals repeat that phrase about *, it NEVER fails to shock me that ANYONE could really believe that. I will never understand how some of them can't see how badly they have been used and are being used by the neocons.
:banghead:

[Zambero]

166. Could this be Tucker's Arianna moment?

Perhaps defending the GOP's inexcusable actions has been too much of a "burden" for him. Has he been pondering a turnabout and looking for an opportune moment? If he's actually turning a corner, this could be the lead-in. Only time will tell.

[liberal N proud]

158. I suppose we will have to show some respect for the little guy ...

with the bow tie?

[CorpGovActivist]

162. Every Time My Grandmother Hears...

... one of the self-righteous GOP "leaders" talk about gay marriage, she grits her Southern Baptist teeth, sets her jaw, and says, "My grandson and his partner have kept a relationship together for 12 years now, how many of these bozos have divorces and have fathered kids their photo opp families don't even know about?"

: )

She rocks.

- Dave

P.S. I was raised Pentecostal, and they've definitely "caught on" to the fact they're being pandered to, as evidenced by some recent changes in how the Good Samaritan story is being used from the pulpit to - in a very thinly-veiled way - take on the Rove-esque wedge issues. Love thy neighbor as you love yourself is seeing a resurgence. My extended family includes many who are among those who still go to church every week, and they keep me posted on the interplay between the pulpit message and the political message.

[katinmn]

164. Photo Op Repubs - Norm Coleman & Laurie, the lingerie model

They have not lived in the same state together for about 5-6 years. Coleman's father, Norm Sr., got arrested recently for humping a hooker in a car parked outside a restaurant. They were observed by a passerby who called the police.

Ah yes, those good old Republican photo-op Values.

[rman]

167. Has anyone asked Tucker when he found this out,

and why he didn't speak out about it sooner?

[confludemocrat]

169. Makes it sound as if fundies are hapless victims of Repubs as if...

they were not totally in on the scam and every bit as corrupt and cynical as the Republigoons they follow like little dogs

[oc2002]

171. Wowewy wow WOW! and the FUNDIES still do not get it.

lol

You can fool SOME of the people ALL of the time but not all of the people all of the time.

[IWantAChange]

172. wind is shifting my friends

like stock market gurus nervous about a turn in the market the TV pundits are airing some dirty little secrets so they can transition a bit to the other side if and when it happens.

:hurts:

[Jade Fox]

173. Bottom line is the GOP makes promises they can't keep.....

They use the Fundies for their votes. But I think the Fundies may be learning to use the Republicans. Of course the Republican Corporate Elite thinks they are scum. But the Fundies seem to be catching on after 25 years of being used.

[trapandroll]

177. Whats the Matter with Tucker?

Just like the book What's the Matter with Kansas good ole Tucker in his prim bow tie reinforces that the business community and country clubbers have no stomach for the Evangelicals.

[Zhade]

180. *I* have contempt for evangelism!

Please note that I am not referring to the 'evangelism' of setting a good example, which isn't exactly the same as evangelical missionary work or whatever.

I think going around pushing your religious views on others is contemptible; the example should be enough. If it's not, maybe what you're selling ain't worth buying.

IMHO, of course.

[Alcibiades]

187. Oh yeah? Why don't you disprove the existence of God, then?

You can't can you? Heard something quite good on NPR the other day. Some chap was going on about how godly folk feel it's incumbent upon the secular to disprove the existence of God, but do not themselves assume the burden of disproving the existence of hundreds or thousands of other gods, such as Zeus.

Which leads me to ask: Who can disprove the existence of great Cthulhu? No one! Might as well worship him just to be on the safe side, because he is sure to be hungry after he awakens from his nap. Ia! Ia! Cthulhu ftaghn!

[mkb]

188. Making Sense Of Our Complex World

     There's always more to the story than meets the eye, in
my opinion, and this article stops short of some of the deeper
meanings.
     Just as you can think for a long time in many ways about
the phrase "Men Are Really Scurrilous", you can
learn from reading things that the popular press doesn't tell
you.
     I found out that some of the most sex addicted people are
right-wing Christians, who live in Texas no less.  My next
door neighbor is a sort of minister who watches pornography on
a big screen T.V.  It should give you cause to think about how
the world works and what people are really made of.  If you
think that many people who go to church may not even believe
in God, then I think you are asking good questions.
     I've held in high esteem many people who turn out to have
lots of contradictions in their life.  Noam Chomsky, who I
used to admire, I believe has four boats and large houses,
even though he is always revered by people on the left as a
god.  It's doubtful that someone who is really a left winger
would live that extravagantly.  It only comes through digging
for the truth, which is somewhat risky, that you see things as
clearly as possible.  At that point, you can hopefully ward
off the anger and evil directed your way by the lucky winners
of the world, whether they be right or left, and help yourself
and others make things better.
     There are many things to learn, as I have phrased it
above, and the world will be better for most of us if people
learn how to think about things in the most accurate way
possible.  There is always more to learn and think about, and
most of us have to do the work ourselves, without help from
others, at least most of the time.  Hopefully you can find
ways to make sense of the world so you can live a good life
for yourself and others.  You can add things up.  Four
dangerous is the world we live in, and society can work well
only if good people make sense of it and contribute what they
can.  Good Luck.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

189. Instead of all these platitudes you've just dropped, why don't YOU

enlighten us on the "deeper meanings".

The original post and video are QUITE STRAIGHTFORWARD. Basically a pundit, who has been a right wing hack for quite some time, and lives and socializes among Washington Republicans, says that their elites cynically use the religious right zealots for votes and support but have contempt for them.

Where is the "deeper meaning" pray tell?

[Quantess]

190. what is it with the "courier" font?

The ones who pick the courier font....it always makes me think of that guy on the debate team who wears a bow-tie just to purposely not fit in with the group.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

191. It's not just the font, but I've noticed it too, LOL.

[Supersedeas]

192. I don't think the Evangies care--if lip service is all they get--they'll

take it.