It's Hillary stopping the filibuster (IMO)

[sandnsea]

I just read the raw story piece where aides were saying there's more interest in the NSA story than Alito. What pops up in LBN??? A huge article about Hillary and Bush eavesdropping. She's the one that wants to change the subject. That's what I think.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2065183&mesg_id=2065183

[Dr.Phool]

1. She's up next on c-span

Mikulski right now, followed by Clinton, Kerry, and Bill Nelson.

[blm]

2. What good is it Hill, when Alito is FOR Bush's eavesdropping?

Dumbasses.

Kerry put out the word to pressure more senators, now I know what he's dealing with. He put out the word he will support a filibuster so one of the darn Judiciary Dems would start one. I also know now why media worked to shut up Kennedy with all those personal stories the past two weeks. Shut up the most likely Dem committee member to filibuster.

[sandnsea]

3. Doesn't this fit to you?

Raw Story and then the Hillary-eavesdropping article right on its heels??

[flpoljunkie]

15. Sad, our only hope, slim as it is, would be for Alito to lose "up or down"

vote on the Senate floor. As totally unlikely as that is, that would be really sweet!

Kerry now speaking!

[xultar]

4. I also heard she eats babies and smoothers kittens in their sleep.

[sandnsea]

6. She could make the difference

She isn't. That says it all. But if it isn't enough, she just said her constituents aren't talking about Alito, which is exactly what Raw Story referred to.

[xultar]

8. Because she said that you think she's stopping the buster...what about

Diane from CA
Reid is the minority leader why not say it is him
Hell what about Ben Nelson, he's voting for the asshole

Why do you have to put it all on Hillary.

I agree she can make a difference but she is also right. The regular people out there really don't see how important this is.
Right now they are trying to figure out how to pay their gas bill.

[sandnsea]

9. Because she has political power

Because when you read between the lines as to what gets into the media and what doesn't, it has her name written all over it. She knew the only way to defeat Alito was with a filibuster and din't want to take the risk, that's why there was no real case made in the media. Because Clinton people CAN do it when they want to. I've seen it on more than one occasion. Think Howard Dean. That's why.

[ronnykmarshall]

21. Go STEELERS!

[oasis]

42. The Steelers' "champion" is Chimpy lovin' Jerome Bettis. You can bet

he'll be stumping with former Steeler and Rethug Gubernatorial candidate, Lynn Swann this coming fall.:puke::puke: :puke:

[ronnykmarshall]

43. Oh dear ...

I should refer to my DU Guide For Sports Teams before I root for someone.

[oasis]

44. "9/11 changed everything"

:scared: "You're either with us or with the terrorists"

[flpoljunkie]

12. That's Ben Nelson. Bill Nelson, D-FL is voting against Alito.

Althought, I do not know whether he will vote against cloture. He has not said.

[xultar]

19. Thank you.

:pals:

[wisteria]

40. When the real people discover how much damage Alito will do

They will want to know how come we didn't take a stronger stand to protect them from this judge. Leadership is about making unpopular decisions once in a while. And this one stand, for a filibuster, would go a long way in demonstrating real leadership.


The DLC issued the statement not to filibuster. Who more than Hillary is affiliated with the DLC?

[ronnykmarshall]

20. She also pulls the wings off butterflies ....

and then sets them on fire!!!

[ronnykmarshall]

22. A day without Hillary bashing ....

is like a day without stepping in a bag of flamming dog poop!

[sandnsea]

26. I'm not a Hillary basher

I'm generally not a Dem basher. I get pissed at Dem bashing, from all corners. But there are consultants and strategists in DC who actually do have the ability to make some waves, and we didn't even get ripples, so I think it's fair to try to figure out why. She's the 08 frontrunner, so it's the logical conclusion.

[wisteria]

38. She certainly doesn't come off as a leader. n/t

[wisteria]

41. She could also be a leader and actually take an important stand

rather than check what the polls are indicating.

[Dunedain]

45. I heard it was babies smoothered in Kittens. n/t

[G_j]

5. been trying to call for hours

busy....

[debbierlus]

7. me too....I am slowly making my way through the list

I have called my brother-in-law, very eloquent, thoughtful man....

He is going to call the key senators..

Everybody try to recruit at least one person...

PLEASE

[quinnox]

10. So Hillary gets all the blame

Great, just great

[flpoljunkie]

13. Of course not. It's up to Harry Reid and Patrick Leahy, is it not? They

have said this was a "vote of conscience" which probably means they do not have the 41 votes needed to filibuster.

Democrats, if not now, when?

[xultar]

14. Makes things simple when we only have one Senator to purge ahe?

all the rest of the knuckleheads up in there are perfect little angels on this issue.
Hillary is the only one who is stopping ALL THOSE OTHER SENATORS from voting down
the fundie encrusted Alito.

Big BAD Hil has all those tiny tiny helpless Dem senators all hemmed up in a corner crying
to their mommies for help and praying to God she doesn't strike them all dead
from her mighty rod of political power. Those poor little weepy Dem
Senators don't have the strength to prevent Hil from taking over their minds
and telling them what to do. BOO FUCKIN HOO

[sandnsea]

18. It's not just Hillary

Certainly the usual suspects have their part too. But she has the ability to move the media, the people and the votes and she didn't do any of it.

[ronnykmarshall]

24. In the tradition of the all powerful Clenis ...

we now have the Hilgina!

[SidDithers]

31. Oh, that's good...very, very good...

:applause:

Sid

[ronnykmarshall]

33. Thank ya, thank ya ...

thankayaverymuch!

[NoPasaran]

39. Who would win in a fight

Between the Clenis and the Hilgina?

[sandnsea]

16. Has she said anything in the media??

She has way more power than anybody is really thinking about. She didn't use it at all. That ought to tell people something.

[AZBlue]

27. It doesn't matter what ANYONE says in the media.

What will matter is their vote on cloture.

No one senator can start or stop or prevent or create a filibuster. It actually takes forty-one to vote no on a call for cloture.

[sandnsea]

28. It takes a movement

Raw Story posted a story quoting senior aides as saying there was no real outcry from the public. She is the one who made a point of mentioning that in her speech. Coincidence? Raw Story also said the public was more interested in NSA. An article was just released today about Hillary and the Bush eavesdropping. Coincidence? Not her or any of her surrogates appeared in the media or made Alito statements. Coincidence?

You can't use the excuse of no public outcry when you didn't do anything at all to get the public to understand why they should be concerned.

And how do you know she isn't using her political power to sway people to oppose a filibuster? Not just Senators, but Congress and Governors and other Democrats too.

[AZBlue]

32. Let's hope they aren't all as stupid as to vote one way just becuase she

says to - if they are, we have way bigger problems than Alito.

In my opinion the leap from Raw Story to the article on eavesdropping is bigger than the Grand Canyon.

[sandnsea]

36. Politics isn't about power?

It isn't about moving into this camp or that, based on who holds the power, the campaign purse and the budget purse? I certainly don't think anybody would vote based on her say so alone, but she sure can bring pressure to an issue. She just didn't on Alito. Show me where she did. It isn't just this Alito thing, it's other things too. Look at the reported Democratic views in the paper, particularly the WaPo, look closely. Who do they sound like? Over and over. Hillary.

[Dr Fate]

29. Wrong- media appearances could have gotten more people to call...

...their Senators in favor of a filibuster or a no vote.

[AZBlue]

34. I don't think there's one senator who didn't already know how they'd vote.

[Dr Fate]

35. But you were wrong to say that media appearances would not matter.

They would have- if the DEMS really did want to get support for a real fight against Bush.

[ronnykmarshall]

23. Um ..... YEAH!

You know she is the all powerful! Everything is her fault. Get with the program. :sarcasm:

[flpoljunkie]

11. Hillary: "The stakes could not be higher."

And she also said that the "American people are counting on us not to be a rubber stamp."

I agree, Hillary. This is why the Democrats should filibster Alito's nomination.

Evidently, the Dems do not have the numbers which may be why Barbara Boxer said yesterday on Eddie Schultz's show that we need one or two Republicans to come out against Alito and it would be a breakthrough and give some life to a filibuster."

An interesting comment, perhaps quite telling.

[sandnsea]

17. There's no public outcry

She is one of the few who has a real ability to get a message out and she didn't do it at all. Speaks volumes to me.

[flpoljunkie]

25. Can't argue with your premise.

[LoZoccolo]

30. It's you trying to stop it, and trying to pin the blame on Hillary.

(IMO)

[sandnsea]

37. Yes, that's it

My super secret sitting in my living room on the Oregon coast plan. teeheehee. Tawanda!!!