Official Senate Debate – Alito Nomination – Thread 7

[Lasher]

thread 1 -
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

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thread 4 -
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thread 5 -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

thread 6 -

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x237473

[Sydnie]

1. thanks Lasher! n/t

[Lasher]

3. OK Syndie, and thanks to you and Viva for your efforts! (EOM)

[AuntiBush]

25. Can Someone Re-Post (Here) The Nu's to our Senators?

Seen them on a post, but can't find it.

I'm ready to begin calling now. Books, studies can wait till tonight. This is way too important.

NOTE: Sen. Clinton is now up 3:18 PM EST. Just beginning. She follows (D) Sen. Barbara Mikulski of MD, my state :)

[Sydnie]

2. He pandered there! She is on fire!!!

I don't know who he is! She is laying it out!

[Wordie]

17. She's great! eom

[AuntiBush]

31. My Senator Barbara Mikulski...

if you're talking about who was just up, prior to Sen. Clinton.

:hi:

[MiniMe]

4. Barbara Mikulski (D-Maryland). Thats my senator!!

[helderheid]

5. making me proud to be a Dem and a woman!

[suffragette]

6. She sure is.

She's laying it out directly and point by point.

[AuntiBush]

44. She Started Out Modestly...

Near what is now known as "Fells Point." It was a an average, low to mid-level lower/middle class, hardworking neighborhood. Long before the area became up-and-coming, she lived with her mother, now gone.

She's worked tirelessly, alone as a woman long ago when there were barely any women on that hill at all.

She helped me find my long lost adopted brother. That was eons ago. Helped me after my husband died. Her office was never more then 1 phone call away.

Called awhile ago and still her gals are the best - pleasant, kindly, asking questions and courteous, bar-none.

With Senator Sarbanes leaving soon (hear his son might run for his seat & hope he does) these 2 Senators will be sorely missed when and if they ever step-down.

[MiniMe]

119. Agreed. I haven't had to question who to vote for Senator

They have both been fixtures. Now, if we can only get rid of Ehrlich.........

[ralps]

20. She has too many doubts, too many questions

:hi:

[AuntiBush]

32. Hi Neighbor!

:hi:

Mikulski - mine, too!

[ralps]

7. "we are left to wonder if Alito will protect our civil rights" I'm para-

phrasing. :hi:

[yellowdogmi]

8. An Idle question?

Can we lobby to impeach the Judges that decided Bush v. Gore. Is there a process we can get started? Does anyone know? Anyone know anything about Samuel Chase? What is the story of his impeachment? Just Curious. I don't mean to distract you all.

Evil Laugh.

[Lasher]

11. Supreme Court justices can be impeached (EOM)

[MiniMe]

9. "Need a member on the Supreme Court that is part of the Judiciary, not

the Executive Branch"

Go Barbara, Go!!

[AuntiBush]

110. That line right there says it all.

[radio4progressives]

10. When the Dems Praise Sandra Day, it goes over the top..

It's all good that she is voting No... but Dems should NOT be going so far as to make O'Connor into some sort of saint, she clearly wasn't not even compared to judge A- Lie-Toe..

The point can be made that she was the first Woman, (leaving only one woman on the court with Ginsberg)and that she was the deciding vote on many important issues that affect civil rights and civil liberties... but the accolades should NOT go so far as some of these Dems, it misses the mark, and it justifies her 2000 decision, which was not a matter of small consequence to our democracy and our liberties and indeed the course of history.

[cybildisobedience]

41. couldn't agree more

This sandra day o'connor is a saint business is nauseating.
She's a reich-wing partisan who let her political views dictate on perhaps the most important Supreme Court decision of the century.
She unleashed this monster and the wave of misery we're all now dealing with.

[helderheid]

12. kick

[ralps]

13. "Alito refused to say that Roe vs Wade was settled law"

:hi:

[LiberalAndProud]

14. implicit right to privacy

SAY IT AGAIN!
(please?

[Ian David]

15. Is Senator Nelson's (D-NE) staffer allowed to say "Fuck You" to me?

Granted, I said "The senator is a fucking traitor," but shouldn't his staffer be held to a higher standard than some idiot like me?

[helderheid]

18. NO...WAY!!!!

[Ian David]

43. New thread on Nelson's staffer- Looks like we're gonna gang-up on him

Me: "Did I just hear right that the senator voted Yes on Alito?"

Nelson's Staffer: "That's correct."

Me: "Then the senator is a fucking traitor."

Nelson's Staffer: "Fuck you."

<click>

See new thread:

Is Senator Nelson's (D-NE) staffer allowed to say "Fuck You" to me?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x238206

[ronnykmarshall]

74. They must be getting a lot of call.

I feel bad for the staffers ............... naaaaaaah!!!

[LiberalAndProud]

95. for the reasons of his track record

for these reasons I oppose this nomination

[LiberalAndProud]

19. What would you have said?

I don't think you helped with that call, but your heart is in the right place.

I admire your passion (and share it)

[Ian David]

99. I would have said, "I just work for him. Doesn't mean I like him either."

[LiberalAndProud]

111. I talked with him earlier today. He's going crazy with calls.

But he took the time to hear me out.

and to say, "You're welcome."

I think he's a friend of a friend of my brother's friend, or something.

And believe me,
the first thing he would even think to say is "fuck you back", because he is a Nebraskan, and that's the level to which the political discourse in this state has fallen.

[Ian David]

113. I'm done with using polite words. I've had enough. n/t

[LiberalAndProud]

117. I do know how you feel.

I was rude to his answering machine when he first announced his vote for.

It felt good at the time.

...bad thoughts about Ben Nelson deleted...
(don't want to get disappeared)

[Sydnie]

21. ROFLMAO!!!

that's taking one for the team IanDB1!

[bettyellen]

28. LOL, i hope the NSA recorded THAT!

not really, but you know what i mean.

[Ian David]

65. Jean Schmidt's staffer let me swear a bluestreak at her without complaint

Why can't Nelson's little pussy staffer take it with the same professionalism?

[bettyellen]

i made a few people stutter, but therew was no swearing involved.

[TechBear_Seattle]

76. I have little doubt the staffer is getting QUITE an earful today

It should not be a surprise that he is getting a wee bit testy, what with being used as a shield against voter venom.

[Debau2005]

Absolutely NOT!

I don't care what you said to them. I would file a complaint with someone. Call back and ask to speak to someone else.

[cali]

39. My sympathies lie entirely

with the staffer. It's not easy being on the frontlines and fielding all these calls from irate constituents.

[Ian David]

52. I would have said, "Well, I don't like him much either."

That is, if I worked for Nelson.

[Roland99]

51. He's a pandering putz

[yellowdogmi]

54. You opened the door

The staffer closed it. I would've done the same thing. Sorry.:smoke:

[ClintonTyree]

80. Nelson(DINO-NE) you mean?

If Nelson is a Democrat I'm the flippin' tooth fairy.

[Sydnie]

16. Do you really want them listening in when you are talking to

your girlfriend? Good question.

[AuntiBush]

59. And, "Do you really want them to Watch Everything you Read?"

She hit all the major questions, Sen. Mikulski.

Kerry is up next, after Clinton or Biden...

[ralps]

22. Sen. Hilary Clinton up now

:hi:

[helderheid]

29. ok... this will be very telling

[ralps]

33. Hilary cannot give her consent to Alito

:hi:

[AuntiBush]

64. Go Senator Clinton!

:bounce:

:hi:

[ralps]

47. Alito has not shown any dedication to any of the rights we''ve

had in the last 100 years. He will roll back the progress we've made.- My paraphrasing. :hi:

[ronnykmarshall]

77. You GO Hillary!!

:bounce:

[Greeby]

23. The Junior Senator from New York

:eyes:

[Wordie]

24. Don't forget to recommend this thread and thanks to Lasher, Viva & Sydnie

[Lasher]

37. They're putting all these threads up on the DU home page, too

[Wordie]

116. I know! Thank you Skinner and EarlG and elad! That's terrific! eom

[selmo7]

26. Hillary up n/t

[Lasher]

27. Wow, Mikulski really laid it out!

Did Democratic Senators just receive a new shipment of backbones?

[LiberalAndProud]

34. dare we hope?

I think they may be hearing us.

Man the FONES!

[hwmnbn]

30. Hillary is up....

thanked Mikulsky, brought up medicare prescription bill, "culture of corruption".......

[LiberalAndProud]

38. GUARDIAN of our liberties

WOMEN have a right to choose
judges to maintain forward progress

[LiberalAndProud]

40. .

[LiberalAndProud]

49. administration too willing to flaunt the rules

stakes could not.be.higher

[LiberalAndProud]

63. Judge Alito's record does not illustrate a grasp of day-to-day struggles

[LiberalAndProud]

66. abortion should be safe.legal.rare.

between a woman, her doctor and her faith in God

[LiberalAndProud]

69. rarely sides against discrimination

sides with those who would infringe on individual rights

[LiberalAndProud]

72. .

3 independent and equal branches of govt
unchecked power will lead to abuses
we have to check and balance against power center

power and pervue of Exec Branch
stripping Congress and curtailing rights of private citizens

[LiberalAndProud]

75. Alito citation

govt not responsible for protecting health safety & welfare
Katrina reference

[LiberalAndProud]

82. HE WILL TAKE US BACKWARDS

CANNOT GIVE MY CONSENT TO HIS CONFIRMATION

[helderheid]

35. Hillary a NO VOTE

[The Witch]

36. What I'd like to see one of our senators say

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=238135&mesg_id=238135

[helderheid]

42. yes

[helderheid]

45. Hillary is saying much of it now!

:wow:

[Sydnie]

48. I agree!

gave it a kick and a rec!

[hwmnbn]

46. Hillary running down all important cases.....

which shape our current american life...

we need judges who'll maintain that "forward" thinking....

Alito can be tipping point against cherished freedoms.

[The Witch]

50. NOOOOOOoo Hillary it's "FLOUT" the rules.

You flaunt something you LIKE. You FLOUT something you don't care for!!!

:argh: Copy editors everywhere are exploding :argh:

[helderheid]

55. OOPS!

:blush:

[gkhouston]

57. maybe they've taken the Constitution,

shredded it, attached it to their G-strings, and are doing a pole dance?

No, I guess it should be "flout"...

[The Witch]

60. I'd give THAT a pass for artistic license.

:rofl:

[AuntiBush]

78. Wondered what they did with it...

Oh, our poor Constitution. Where ever it may be lying on some dark, dingy, musty corner far below the basement, where our Democrats have to hold hearings in.

Can you imagine a night watchman, or cleaning guy now and then, looking down at it and what he/she might be thinking.

[gkhouston]

the cleaning guy probably has a better idea of what it means

than some of these "distinguished" Senators. :puke:

[AuntiBush]

112. Gawd, You're Probably Right

Let me join you: :puke:

[rusty charly]

67. mel brooks/the producers

Ven you got it, flaunt it
Step right up and strut your stuff
People tell you modesty's a wirtue
But in the theatre modesty can hurt you

Ven you got it, flaunt it
Show your assets, let them know you're proud
Your goodies you must push
Stick out your chest, shake your tush
Ven you got it, shout it out loud

Ven you got it, show it
Put your hidden treasures on display
Violinists love to play an E-string
But audiences really love a G-string

Ven you got it, should it!
Let the whole vorld hear vat you're about
Clothes may make the man
All a girl needs is a tan
Ven you got it, let it hang out!

[CottonBear]

53. Speaking of our constitutional right to privacy and Alito as a tipping

point for freedoms and rights.

"I fear he will roll back and roll over (our rights.)"

"To be sure, Roe v Wade, environmental safeguards and (anti-machine) gun laws...are at risk...many Americans are not paying attention to this debate...SCOTUS will have a dramatic effect on our nation..."

[AuntiBush]

71. "Quite a Spectacle..." Nominating Myers...

now Clinton is contrasting to Alito.

"They know (with Alito) exactly what they're getting."

She's talking about his records on infringing on America's rights; dissent Title 7 which prohibits against women, minorities in workplace; his writings, his work, opinions on bench are more troubling because he seems to favor executive power, so much over other govt branches of gov.t'

She fears he will not respect system of checks and balances according to the Constitution.

Now mentioning Federalists, how they want to (?) against our founding fathers...

Speaking of 3 separate, equal forms of government. Unchecked powers... we're seeing something of that right here in Washington.

Founding fathers knew we needed to keep a watch on one another. She does not believe he respect the way America is set-up.

Shew... Taking rights from average citizens.

Now talking about illegal wiretapping, how Alito thinks it's ok (my words as fingers can't keep up)

Abuse of power... she's talking about this alot.

[dogday]

56. Just Say It Hillary--- Alito is a Wiener!!

I saw some footage on Alito greeting the crowds, his fans, and he was extremely nervous and misplaced around them. You could tell he did not want to be around these people at all. He looked like a mental case, worrying they were touching him....

[The Witch]

58. well, i'm sure many of us would be like that.

I am sure it would be endlessly amusing for any senator to utter the word "weiner" in public, though :)

[gkhouston]

61. Snort. Jon Stewart would go to town with it, that's for sure. n/t

[dogday]

62. Of course not, but it helps every once

in a while to holler it out in this forum at least...

[El Supremo]

68. Did Hillary just steal Bill's statement on abortion?

It should be safe, rare and legal.

[herbbrown]

70. No, Bills not that clever

I'm sure it was Hillary's in the first place.

[CottonBear]

73. Did you forget the sarcasm smiley?

:sarcasm:

[LiberalAndProud]

79. Did she just call Alito an Activist Judge?

[bettyellen]

96. yep

[ralps]

81. "Decades of progress would fall prey to Alito's vision" "He has not shown

respect to the rule of law". :hi:

[Greeby]

83. Ladies and Gentlemen

The President of the United States :bounce:

[Debau2005]

86. .

:applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo: :applause: :woohoo:

[helderheid]

87. THERE'S my President!

[The Witch]

89. :salute:

:patriot: :patriot: :patriot:

Hail to the Chief--
He's the one we all say "hail" to...

[LiberalAndProud]

90. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

my name in the Congressional Record? wow.

[ronnykmarshall]

94. Me too!

How cool is that?

[Career Prole]

115. Me too! Me too!

I wonder how long a time we have between getting listed on the C.R. as opposing Alito to making the TSA's no-fly list? :eyes:

Hang on. Someone's at the door...

[ronnykmarshall]

91. Geena Davis is on?

[wisteria]

120. No, a real President- Kerry! n/t

[Sydnie]

100. He's my President!

Good to see I am not alone in that thought.

Speak out John. Make me proud again.

[The Witch]

84. Heeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Kerry!

:woohoo: :woohoo:

[ralps]

85. Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts up now

:hi:

[ralps]

92. He opposes Alito

:hi:

[Lasher]

88. KER REE! KER REE! KER REE!

Get 'em, Mr. President!

[bettyellen]

93. my thanks to Kerry and Clinton both come out swinging for women via Roe

Thank god they're not as gutless as some here asked them to be.

[ronnykmarshall]

97. Now Betty ...

don't forget to read your DU Guide.

We're supposed to hate them, ya know.

[Sydnie]

103. that is only on Tuesdays and Fridays

Wednesday ... we can love him all we want. ;)

[bettyellen]

109. i can't go near anymore of those "don't worry about roe"

or "it should be overturned so the country will wake up". threads.
like it or not, it's always straight men who post that, and i would personally like to vasectomize them, so there'd be that much less to worry about.

[AuntiBush]

98. Kerry's Up Not - 3:43 PM EST

Go Senator Kerry!

"Alito's track record, for the reasons unanswered in the hearings, decisions he made where studies showed ... for compelling reasons, he opposes Alito," disagrees with his ideologies, hear open-mindedness that they haven't seen in the courts.

Heard the hard-way. Can't erase track record.

Talking about Supreme Court justices and how important limits are, over-ruling, appreciate struggles our nation has endured.

Add: Bush chose to nominate someone who would not unite our country

The way in which (Alito) came to "us" - Pres under fire for nominating Myers. Some "idealogical coo..."

Bush gave more thoughts about political then what country wanted. Made it about his "base." KERRY says he has proof - look at Ann COULTER's COMMENTS, inflammatory, engaging in CHARACTER ASSASSINATION; attacked others... Yet, Coulter celebrated w/right-hook nominating Alito. Loves how (Alito's) wakes up (my words) excited ticking off the minority.

Note: We're not the minority, at least not in my neck of the woods, even though they're represented by REpuks.

GO KERRY!

[flpoljunkie]

101. Kerry: "Ideology does matter" - voted for Scalia and learned that lesson!

Excellent!

[Sydnie]

104. they certainly said that often enough in the election of '04

about Kerry, why wouldn't philosphy and ideology matter now?

Slamming MANN COULTER!

[spuddonna]

102. Kerry: Words at a confirmation hearing doing erase one's history...

Compares his decision against Alito to when he voted for Scalia. Scalia said he'd be 'open minded'. Kerry says, "We learned that words spoken in a confirmation hearing does not erase ones ruling history."
(that's not verbatim - I think he was more eloquent)

[ralps]

107. LOL bringing up the words of Ann Coulter- how she supports Alito

How Robert Bork supports Alito. :hi: :rofl: :rofl:

[liveoaktx]

105. Who changed their vote? I thought it was 22 NO but now it's 21

[LiberalAndProud]

108. last I looked it was 20

but I haven't been paying much attention to those #s

[Lasher]

106. Thread 8 is up!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=364&topic_id=238624&mesg_id=238624

[AuntiBush]

114. Kerry Just Mentioned ENRON and Justification for Wire-Tapping

Blank check for over-reaching executive powers
Presidential powers used to influence legislation (paraphrasing some... hard to keep-up)

Kerry is seriously laying it out about Legislative branches. Bush has taken powers to extraordinarily levels.

Habeas corpus, dissects Congress.

Ease-dropping

Bush signing (astounding - Kerry's word) - not being held accountable. Using Supreme court for reigning in assessive pres. power.

He's talking about blank checks used to fight terrorism

Now he's talking about Alito's past writings, he was particularly proud to not protect women against abortion.

[bush_is_wacko]

118. Just curious Santorum... Doesn't the SOTU have the right to REFUSE

any case it wishes not to rule on? If that is the case they should refuse every case that has ANY political ramification for anything because as you say..The SOTU is not a supposed to set policy.

How the hell can he make this statement? While they may not set out to set policy, ultimately, they are the end game for any case that is changing policy, especially when it deals with executive overreach!

Do Americans really by this shit?