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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:40 AM Original message |
"Emergency Paper Ballots" will sink Dems in Nov (& I'm a paper ballot guy) |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:27 AM Response to Original message |
1. OK, I guess at 5 recommends and no kicks I can kick myself n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
41. Have you called Boxer, Kerry, Feingold's offices with your concerns? |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:48 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Yes, choose your poison, but must importantly DO NOT DEFINE poison |
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silverweb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 02:47 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. Leave it to the reTHUG slime. |
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focusfan (884 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
44. i think we should stand together and demand a recount |
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Judi Lynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:30 AM Response to Original message |
2. Kicking! |
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stellanoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. Thanks for all the clarifications. |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:35 AM Response to Original message |
4. Jesus Will It Ever End K & R |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 07:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
11. It will be a lot closer to ending when all realize e-voting is FUBAR |
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secular humanoid (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
48. right |
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
5. So, Paul, what do you think of Kucinich's Paper Ballot bill (H.R. 6200)? |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. it's great if ALL presidential ballots are Paper, would be nice to extend |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:47 AM Response to Reply #7 |
31. And that raises another issue |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:13 AM Response to Reply #31 |
35. There seems to be building momentum for that, esp with this election |
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stlsaxman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:37 AM Response to Original message |
6. Most say that we meed an overwhelming turn-out to guarantee no hacking. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:42 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. well, U can't "guarantee no hacking" but blowouts can't credibly be stolen |
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elehhhhna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 07:51 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. blowout. lol. MADNATE MAYBE?!! Thx Paul. You'll look good sporting |
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hootinholler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
9. Only one minor criticism... |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. I *wish* San Diego were in WA, but it is in California, i stand corrected |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 07:30 AM Response to Original message |
12. I'm not sure I |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:13 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. "emergency paper ballots" are a new breed of nonprovisional ballot |
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SheilaT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:40 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. I suppose then |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #22 |
91. Washington State - Governor's race! She won!! LMAO! |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 01:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
51. I don't see why you are so 'upset'.... |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 02:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. if you don't see why one might not use an emergency ballot then |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 06:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
90. My state uses paper.... |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 04:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
59. Are you saying that Senator Boxer has been pushing the wrong solution? |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. more like i'm saying that there is no "solution", at best mitigation |
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gully (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 07:36 AM Response to Original message |
13. Yikes. |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 07:42 AM Response to Original message |
14. Damned if we do, Damned if we don't |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:25 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. don't forget sequoia and triad and hart intercivic n/t |
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texpatriot2004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
15. Kick nm |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
19. As usual, My admiration for your work is unyielding |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:56 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. rest up for the fall's battles then, my liege, rest up |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I think the struggle is worthy to both Lord or vassal |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
66. ah... |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
20. I wonder, does the DNC not have plans on how to make sure |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. they could and they should, I think i'll ask someone from the voting |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:08 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Yes please do! |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
29. Excellent. I'd happily help it to front & center attention when you post |
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kster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
21. This is why we need the Dem's to challenge the Republicans |
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Generic Other (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:17 AM Response to Original message |
27. Gosh darn it, I don't want to believe this but it sounds so |
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autorank (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
28. Registration precedes even voting...could that be the first concern? |
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BelgianMadCow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:44 AM Response to Reply #28 |
30. True dat!!! |
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mod mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
32. I was planning to vote in person/absentee @ the Franklin Co BOE. What |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:20 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. If you think OHIO is prepared to "take it to 'em" immediately after |
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OnyxCollie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:14 PM Response to Reply #37 |
76. I live in Portage County OH and called the BOE yesterday. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:01 AM Response to Original message |
33. quoting you landshark... |
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helderheid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
34. I HATE that I can't recommend again. |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
36. On top of this, I worry about all that laptop data "stolen" this year - |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:26 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Let me personally encourage you to get out the VOTE!!!!! |
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cyberpj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
73. Ok. Ok. I took this afternoon and evening off to pout but you're right.. |
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No DUplicitous DUpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
39. You make some excellent points, Counselor. |
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diva77 (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:40 AM Response to Original message |
40. but since we're damned if we do and damned if we don't |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:51 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. the Light is this: you must be VERY aware of the damning side of either |
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Pooka Fey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
45. K&R |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
46. I disagree. The "emergency paper ballots" arent absentees or provisionals. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
49. And it is the paper ballots that they don't finish counting on electionday |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 01:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. They're for an EMERGENCY, hence the name. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Only if you define "emergency" as "upon request of any voter at any time" |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 02:49 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. The electronic hacking boxes need to go. |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 03:55 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. well in order to have a legitimate election |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:12 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. Boiling it all down. Its a bad idea to fight these emergency paper ballots |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I agree with this... |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. The proposal for "emergency ballots" is the one that came up recently |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:26 PM Response to Reply #69 |
79. My main problem with this is the timing... |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 01:18 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Not sure that's fair: Prop for Emerg ballots=Oct 12, my post=Oct 13 |
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AntiFascist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 03:33 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Barbara Boxer has been pushing the Confidence in Voting Act.... |
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galloglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. Oh, Shit ! |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 01:16 AM Response to Reply #75 |
82. Bummer, isn't it??? : ) |
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symbolman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:50 PM Response to Original message |
47. THANK YOU |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 12:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. I disagree slightly in that there will be tremendous pressure on ALL |
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kpete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
57. kick for truth |
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vanboggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
60. Oh damn, but thanks Landshark Big K&R |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:22 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. need to keep our eyes open no matter which way we go |
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yowzayowzayowza (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
61. Concur. |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
63. I am concerned about the swearing in of candidates |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:24 PM Response to Reply #63 |
71. In CA 50 they took so long to count there was definitely time to litigate |
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Mnemosyne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 11:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. Can they pull this again or are enough |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
65. As always, Paul, this is right on target. |
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HardRocker05 (486 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
67. this is the problem w/ "paper trails" as well; it relies on a *recount* to |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. yeah CA 50 stands for the proposition that recounts and audits |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 09:37 PM Response to Original message |
74. kick. |
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emlev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-13-06 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
77. The slowly counted votes in CA-50 were DRE & OP-SCAN counted |
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Land Shark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 01:14 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. basically all votes were paper ballots opscanned since DREs were |
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emlev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 01:56 AM Response to Reply #81 |
84. And candidates need education about not conceding or declaring victory |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
80. kick |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
86. Congress was dismissed before the Pelosi-Dodd |
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Starfury (615 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
87. Man, I never even thought about this aspect.... k&r!!! |
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eomer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
88. Hey Paul, I tend to agree with you on this. |
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Festivito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-14-06 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
89. I must disagree also. CONs will fight regardless. I rather have paper. |
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