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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:44 PM
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I just heard one of the greatest speeches I've ever heard.
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 01:09 PM by garybeck
I got the email last night on short notice. Bobby Kennedy is coming to Burlington today. I called in to work and told them I would be late this morning, and I grabbed my video camera.

http://fightingbobfest.org/fest2004/images/RFK,%20Jr.jpg

What an amazing event, billed as a rally for Peter Welch, (dem hoping to take Bernie Sanders' house seat).

Check out the list of people who were there to introduce Bobby:

Patrick Leahy
Bernie Sanders
Peter Welch
Scudder Parker (running as dem for Gov)

Bernie's speech was full of vigor, Leahy's was very diplomatic but also well stated. But when Bobby took the stage, it was friggin amazing. He started in on the administration, talked about their cronyism, hypocrisy, and their assault on the environment and other American values. He backed up everything he said with examples, names, dates, and it was all off the top of his head. No teleprompter, no earpiece. He just knows this shit because he lives and breathes it every day. He is for real.

I really hope he runs for office someday. I can't think of a better person to be president. He gets it about the environment, the economy, and even the voting machines.

I hope to have some video available soon. Including Bernie's segment.
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:46 PM
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1. It is so much to ask but I wish he would throw his name in the hat! n/t
Edited on Fri Oct-13-06 12:47 PM by terip64
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:48 PM
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3. I think he will sometime soon. Maybe 08
Two weeks ago he said if Hillary runs for Pres he would be interested in her senate seat.
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:53 PM
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7. I am hoping! We need him sooner rather than later. n/t
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:52 PM
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6. Is he the one with dysphonia? Also, is he the one who had a
conviction years ago for some drug offense (felony??)?

I think he's great, BUT if he has these issues the average dumb American won't be able to see past them.

And a prior felony conviction means he can't hold public office, right?

Somebody set me straight if I'm wrong. I'd love to be wrong.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:57 PM
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13. answer
yes, he does have dysphonia... I've heard him enough on the radio I don't really notice it much anymore. But today, it was like it was cured. I saw him on TV 2 weeks ago and he was having trouble, but today it was nothing. i wonder if it's worse under the spotlight on TV, and maybe he thrives on a big audience. But today his voice was just a little scratchy and that's it.

as far as his drug issues go... it didn't stop Bush from getting elected did it? Didn't he have a DUI and cocaine issues in his past? I think people can see past Bobby's history and see him for what he is today. Like Bush said, we all partied in College... He's the type of guy that will handle it in the right way.
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:00 PM
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18. I hope you are right. Stranger things have happened
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:58 PM
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14. Looks as if you are right, Maybe a blessing to his wife and kids.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_F._Kennedy,_Jr.

Robert Francis Kennedy Jr. (born January 17, 1954), often referred to as RFK Jr. or Bobby Jr., is the third of eleven children born to Ethel Skakel Kennedy and Robert F. Kennedy. He is a noted environmental lawyer and co-host of Ring of Fire on the Air America Radio network.


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Personal life

An animal collector during his youth, Kennedy attended Georgetown Preparatory School, the Jesuit boys school in Bethesda, Maryland. On Wednesday, June 5th, 1968, he was pulled from classes by the rector to learn that his father had been shot following the California Democratic Primary.

Kennedy graduated from Harvard College with a major in political science (interrupting his stay at Harvard to for a year of study at the London School of Economics) and obtained a Juris Doctor degree from the University of Virginia Law School, following a tradition started by his father and uncle Edward M. Kennedy. He also obtained an LL.M. from the Pace University School of Law. Divorced from first wife, Emily Ruth Black, he is now married to Mary Richardson (born 1959), and has six children: Robert F. III (born 1984) and Kathleen Alexandra (1988) by Emily Ruth Black, and Conor Richardson (1994), Kyra LeMoyne (1995), William Finbar (1997) and Aidan Caohman Vieques (2001) by Mary Richardson.

In 1983, he was arrested in a Rapid City South Dakota Airport for heroin possession after being found unconcious in an airplane bathroom with a needle stuck into his arm. Kennedy later entered a drug treatment program.


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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:05 PM
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19. "...heroin possession...." I thought I remembered this.......
ok, so what's the deal? Did he plead guilty or get convicted of a felony, or a misdemeanor? And what is the legal implication of this with respect to his ability to hold elected office, particularly on a national level. For that matter, is he even allowed to vote?

I think it goes state-by-state.
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:29 PM
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25. I don't know.
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:36 PM
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27. Quick google check found this out, but I still don't know about legalities
Times Select Content ROBERT KENNEDY JR. ADMITS HE IS GUILTY IN POSSESSING HEROIN
AP

Robert F. Kennedy Jr. pleaded guilty today to a felony charge of possessing heroin aboard an airline flight to Rapid City. The 30-year-old son of Robert F. Kennedy admitted he had two-tenths of a gram of heroin in his possession when he was taken off a Republic Airlines plane last Sept. 11. John Fitzgerald, one of Mr. Kennedy's lawyers, said that at the time Mr. Kennedy ''was coming to South Dakota for treatment, realizing he had a problem'' with drugs.
February 18, 1984 U.S. News en he was taken off a Republic Airlines plane

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/k/robert_f_jr_kennedy/index.html?offset=80&
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:27 PM
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31. If he does, he will die. Of something. No kidding. NT
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:47 PM
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2. it's in the genes . . . hid dad was an amazing speaker, too . . . n/t
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:48 PM
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4. I just had a vision of Mr Kennedy being our President soon
now is that a vision or what.
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:49 PM
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5. just make sure
he has some good bodygaurds. because I can tell you there are some BIG corporate interests who would be TERRIFIED at the thought.
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terip64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:54 PM
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11. It really would be a lot to ask of his family. Can you imagine? n/t
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:15 PM
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23. Bobby stikes me as a person who would only run if
things were soooo bad in the country and he really thought that he could make a difference to turn things around. he knows the sacrifice it would mean on his family and wouldn't do it if things were OK in the country.
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:39 PM
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37. Yeah, well that former heroin problem might get in the way. n/t
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:53 PM
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8. Thanks for the Good! News!!
Another reason to Hope.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:53 PM
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9. That Picture Brings Back A Rush Of Memories...
I loved his old man...



Bobby Sr. with Cesar Chavez.

Think I'll go have a good cry now...
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:33 PM
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26. oh Bobby was great.
he would have made a great President.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:42 PM
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29. Me, also... having that "good cry now"... thanks for that picture!
I can't see anything with Bobby Kennedy without having the tears.

We were so very lucky to have him. I miss him more every year, rather than less.

His is a story of how important it is to really work through grief, rather than just taking anti-depressants to squelch the grief. By working through it, with all the attendant pain, he came to such a beautiful place, and a real commitment to his country and to poor folk.

What a blessing he still is!

Thanks again for that wonderful photo!
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:54 PM
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10. I think his Dad would be so proud of him.
More than any of the Kennedy children he reminds me so much of Bobby and Jack and how that generation was.
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:56 PM
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12. He impresses me whenever...
and wherever I hear him speak. He is a caliber of smart that is like this light that MLKJr. spoke of....
Perhaps a new spirit is rising among us. If it is, let us trace its movements, and pray that our own inner being may be sensitive to its guidance, for we are deeply in need of a new way beyond the darkness that seems so close around us.
http://www.mlkonline.net/
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:58 PM
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15. there seems to be a glass ceiling on Kennedy's now: Teddy will be last
in Senate.

They can run for the House, but if they get any higher, I think they'd have a tragic accident or embarassing personal scandal.

It's too bad, cause I think RFK is great too.

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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:58 PM
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16. Love him and hope he gets his butt to CT for Ned Lamont - eom
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garybeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:12 PM
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22. there was a big SLAP on Lieberman at the event.
I think it was Leahy, who was introducing Bernie, and he was talking about how he's a real independent, "not like some independents who are propped and funded by the Republican Party" (paraphrased) .........and everybody cheered when he said it. I think everyone knew who he was talking about.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:20 PM
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24. Oh that is great
love Patrick Leahy too!!! So maybe Bernie and Leahy should make a joint appearance for Ned....and Leahy can use that crack at Holy Joe again....

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CT don't send this FREAK back to the Senate - I'm sure it will send me over the edge...
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 12:59 PM
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17. Yeah.
they hate the kennedys as much as the clintons.
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IndyOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:05 PM
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20. They haven't killed any Clintons. : ( (n/t)
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LSparkle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:08 PM
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21. In recent interview, he said he might run for NY Senate
It'd be his dad's old seat and no one could accuse him of being a carpetbagger. My dream ticket right now is Gore/Kennedy.
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bobbolink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:36 PM
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28. Ohhh, I so envy you! Bobby Kennedy is really coming into his own!
I thought I was very fortunate, I'm going to be seeing Jim Wallis again on Tuesday.

But, Bobby Jr! He is so amazing, and so REAL.

I'm so glad you got to hear him in person! What a treat.

Thanks for sharing this.

with envy...bobbolink
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 01:44 PM
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30. Lucky! I tried to go to his speech last week in WA but sold out.
He must be tireless. I can't wait for your audio or video! :yourock: in advance
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 02:58 PM
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32. I heard him speak twice in Toronto at the IdeaCity conference
He was simply stunning. I've never heard such passion, such command of the facts and such on-the-fly eloquence in any other speaker. If you can't elect him President, I wouldn't mind having him up here as Prime Minister.

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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 03:05 PM
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33. How was his voice?
Definitely his biggest liability as a public figure is his illness, Spasmodic Dysphonia. Sometimes his symptoms are worse, sometimes better. It can make his voice sound wavering and weak.

But if he ran I would vote for him anytime, for any position, against any opponent!
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:18 AM
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40. My exact thoughts too...He is so smart, handsome and personable and then
when he starts speaking (for example even on his Radio show "Ring of Fire") his voice just makes it so difficult to focus on the message and words. I never knew though that he actually had a condition that made that happen to his voice.

Bobby would be an amazing candidate in terms of qualifications and abilities and I'd vote for him in a heart beat.

:kick:
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 03:26 PM
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34. I am opposed to him running for president. There is no doubt in my
mind that he would make a great one. I've listened to many of his AAR "Ring of Fire" shows, and he is brilliant, passionate and real. There is not a single compromised, corporatized blood cell in his body, in so far as I can tell from listening to many broadcasts and reading what he's written. And I have a pretty good bullshit detector. I lived through all that in the '60s--voting for a "peace" candidate for president, my first vote, in 1964, for LBJ, and getting 2 million slaughtered in Vietnam as my reward. My first political activism was for RFK Jr.'s uncle, JFK, when I was 16. I have seen all of my political heroes assassinated, in the space of five years: JFK, RFK, MLK. And I have been witness to everything since then--the descent of our country into Corporate Rule, and now into Fascism, despite many noble souls fighting against these things--as an activist, public advocate on the environment and political volunteer. I have seen every type of politician--the good, the bad and the ugly--walk across our national stage.

My sense of RFK Jr. is that he is 100% genuine, and very much in the tradition of his father, a champion of democracy and an advocate for the poor, and for the great American progressive majority.

But, my friends, we cannot take another Kennedy assassination. We just can't. The country would be ripped to shreds this time. The forces that took down his uncle, his father and the great Martin Luther King, have been re-empowered within and outside of our government. I have little doubt that they killed Paul Wellstone, who had pledged to lead the fight in the Senate against the Iraq War, and who was clearly headed for the presidency. I also have little doubt that his uncle, JFK, was assassinated for similar reasons: 1) his executive orders, just prior to his assassination, to withdraw the U.S. military "advisers" from Vietnam (and head off that CIA-instigated war), and 2) his opposition to the CIA-instigated invasion of Cuba (in the first months of his presidency). Looking back, I think there is little question about this. And I believe that his father RFK was assassinated for the same reason--he had initially supported the war, and he turned against it, and was clearly going to be elected president in 1968. MLK, killed three months before RFK, had ALSO taken a great political risk, against the advice of those who told him to "stay in his place" and stick to civil rights, and had given a powerful speech against the war.

Bang, bang. Shoot, shoot. THREE powerful leaders who had tried to stop that war.

The war profiteers and rightwing fascists within our government are too powerful right now for an honest president to survive. We have reverted to those days again. During the '70s, the government, and particularly the secret government, underwent reform--as the result of many past crimes, but particularly focused around the U.S.-sponsored death squads in South America, the U.S.-sponsored fascist coup in Chile against an elected government, and the Iran/Contra scandal (and illegal Reagan war against Nicaragua--a war that Congress had specifically forbidden). New policies--for instance, against assassinating foreign leaders--were initiated. The Iran/Contra scandal was exposed, and some of its perpetrators prosecuted (not Reagan, though). Congressional oversight was re-enforced. And the Nixon's "dirty tricks" campaigning, so typical of Republicans now, had also been exposed in Watergate--dirty tricks like burglarizing the psychiatrist's office of antiwar activist Daniel Ellsberg--Rove-style dirty tricks. (Rove got his start with Nixon.)

Now we have an all-out fascist Republican president into pervasive spying, and can there be any doubt what the spying is for? They're spying on antiwar groups and opposition politicians. And what else are they doing, and planting operatives within our government TO DO? That whole Iran/Contra crew is back in power! They've been in power for six years. They've purged all the good guys in the CIA--outed them and purged them--those who believed that their job was to prevent war, not manufacture it. What protections for themselves, and secret operations to insure continued war profits, have they organized within our government?

We need long, long years of hard work on good government before a real representative of the people can be elected as president and survive in office. That is the reality. We will have to endure years of presidents who are primarily beholden to war profiteers and to global corporate predators, before we have a good government again. The notion that ONE MAN can turn this around, because HE is honest and a real representative of the people, is naive and dangerous. And the closer he gets to achieving power, the more danger he is in, and the more danger we are all in, of violent civil unrest, civil war and more junta-type government.

Much as I am an admirer of the Kennedy legacy of government service, and of RFK Jr. in particular, I think he can do even more good in a non-target position. Perhaps as a Senator (although we have Wellstone's fate to consider), or a House member. But perhaps more safely--and even more effectively--in a relatively non-political position, in a relatively benign Corporate Democrat administration. Secretary of the Interior. Head of EPA. Ambassador to the U.N. Maybe A.G. RFK Jr. would be particularly suited to Interior or EPA--and there is MUCH work to be done there--saving the planet! He could be point man, say, in a Gore administration, for addressing global warming. He's been an NRDC lawyer--primary focus on the environment. As U.N. ambassador, he could do much to repair our reputation abroad--just on his family legacy, let alone what he himself might do there to smooth international relations, help the poor, and encourage peace. Another idea: a new special presidential commission on VOTING SYSTEMS! Imagine RFK Jr. heading real reform!

RFK Jr., being who he is, may feel that his courage is on the line, as to running for public office, aimed at the presidency. He will not be the first child to be burdened by a parental legacy. I think we do him no favor by urging him to run for president. I think he would easily overcome the early drug use charges. Youthful drug use is rather minor these days, given the humongous Republican pedophilia and bribery scandals (--not to mention the massive thievery and genocide of this regime). But that isn't the point. There is much more at stake here than whether he could win or not. What is at stake is our national psyche, which I think could be broken right in two by a third Kennedy assassination, and lead to even worse fascist rule and even disintegration of the union.

Maybe I'm an old fogey, and have too much pain going back four decades, regarding the smashing of all my dreams of a just and good country. Maybe a new day is dawning, and I just can't quite believe in it yet. But I think I do have some accumulated wisdom that might be helpful. Our country, and our democracy, are not going to be saved--and cannot be saved--by a hero on a white horse. It can only be saved by collective action of our people. That's what democracy IS. We have to STOP depending on heroic leaders, and start looking to ourselves for the solutions, and for the democratic power to turn this country around. If we expect a heroic leader to arise and to solve this huge disaster of six years of Bushitism, we will fail. Pushing someone to BE that heroic leader is not the right thing to do--especially a man with this family history. Yes, we need leadership--and good leadership. That's how our system is currently set up. But a leader is one thing, and a prince on a white horse is quite another. I can feel it in myself--the desire to resurrect the first Bobbie Kennedy, whom I believe would have stopped the Vietnam War, saved a million lives, and led America back to the path of peace. But that didn't happen, did it? Why? THAT is the question we must ask, and the answer is that it was an impossible task for one man, surrounded by the forces of darkness within our own government, that we, as a people, had not yet dealt with, and were only barely aware of. We must first create a good government, and THEN we can risk putting good people in charge of it.

How do you create a good government with bad, compromised people, beholden to war profiteers and corporate predators? Look to South America. They've done it. It took a decade of hard work--by the OAS, the Carter Center, EU election groups and local civic groups--on TRANSPARENT elections. They STARTED with leaders, maybe not as bad as Pinochet, not exactly dictators, but corrupt and severely compromised by the World Bank/IMF and its corporate predators policies, and by U.S. "anti-drug" (i.e., military) money. And they just kept working on more and more civic strength and better and better election reform. Now a great, peaceful, democratic, leftist (majorityist) movement has swept the continent--in Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Uruguay, Paraguay, Venezuela and Bolivia (and soon in Ecuador and Peru)--and is completely unstoppable by assassination. A peoples' movement. Will of the people. The people active and engaged at every level of government. People devoted to constitutional government, of the people, by the people and for the people, and focused on self-determination for their countries and their region. The Bushites might get Hugo Chavez. But they cannot stop this huge movement, in Venezuela or anywhere else in South America; they will only energize it--because Hugo Chavez is merely the most colorful representative of a profound change, at the grass roots level, throughout Latin America (--in Mexico and Nicaragua, as well), that is based on empowerment of the MAJORITY.

This hard work--with TRANSPARENT elections being priority #1--needs to happen here. If the South Americans--with their horrendous history of oppression--can do it, so can we. But we cannot expect it to happen overnight. And we cannot expect a heroic leader to arise and do it for us. That way lies tragedy, and yet more oppression.
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postulater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:28 PM
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35. I heard Bobby last spring
He was electric. His personal family stories and corporate responsibility argument were so personal it would touch nearly anyone willing to listen.

As I walked next to him in the hallway on the way to book signing, I just had this awareness of how dangerous he is to the powers that be. For that I thanked him. I also realized that he should not be expected to bear the weight of our dreams, and that he can truly be more effective in a not-so-public role.

I was honored that he signed my copy of The Enemy Within that his father had signed forty years ago.

We should protect him and allow him to contribute in whatever way he wishes, not expect him to deliver us from evil. He and we will be much better off that way.
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AspenRose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:31 PM
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36. He's definitely gifted enough to be president
I would rather see him heading up the EPA, though.
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Stardust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 12:28 AM
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38. We Dems are so starved for great leadership, but you are so right.
As much as I admire Bobby, I'd rather he be safe.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 12:33 AM
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39. Most excellent! Thanks for sharing.
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mapatriot Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 10:19 AM
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41. Too many negatives....
I worked for Bobby Kennedy in 1967. Lived in Lake Placid, NY at the time. Bobby, Ethel and all the kids came to Lake Placid on vacation in February that year. I was skiing at Whiteface Mountain one day that week and had an opportunity to watch and interact with the kids in the ski lodge. Never saw a wilder, more out of control bunch. Bobby stuck out as arrogant and self-indulging. Frankly, a real brat. That said, I'm still very supportive of the Kennedy's. A great family that has served the country with distinction.

I've kept up with Bobby's career and he's done some great work and I respect him for it. But I still have reservations. I've found it hypocritical that he often travels around the country on a private jet and often drives a big SUV while he's preaching on the enviornment. I think he passionately believes in his work but the guy has been so "indulged" he somehow just doesn't seem to "get it". He doesn't "walk the talk". And his conviction on heroin possession pretty much assures that he'll never be president.

I live in Burlington and attended the speech. He was great. But I think he'll have to serve the nation and the party as an activist. I know many dems who could never support him. Just too many negatives for a political career.
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