Ass at winger site wonders how global warming jibes with early cold spell

[BurtWorm]

Anyone with a good mole,<sic>we need an in depth discussion at the dump <i.e., DU in their clever parlance> on "how global warming relates to this very early cold spell" I would like to hear explanations besides
"Bushes enviro policies are causing this"

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This same ass will undoubtedly, during next summer's heat waves (or during any warm spells this winter), mock DUers who cite *it* as evidence of global warming. In both cases, it's a fallacy to infer that because the weather is behaving one way today, today's weather is representative of weather in general. If it snows one day in a desert--or even for several days--this doesn't mean the desert is trending toward becoming a tundra. You need to accumulate data over time, as climatologists have been doing, to see the trends.

I hope that answers the idiot's question.

[SpreadItAround]

1. It does answer that idiot's question

...too bad he/she/it will never listen.

It's so frustrating that global warming is such a political topic in our country.

It should be based on science, not politics.

[Buzz Clik]

2. "I hope that answers the idiot's question." You've got to be kidding.

Anyone who comments about today's weather -- hot or cold -- as an indication of support/refutation of global warming is dirt stupid and beyond education.

The pervasive ignorance about global warming is stunning.

[acmavm]

3. Some people are so damn dumb they don't deserve to be

called 'people'.

Animated rocks is more like it.

[nickinSTL]

10. hey, now...

don't go insulting perfectly respectable rocks that way :evilgrin:

[rock]

24. Thank you

I appreciate the support.

[Nickster]

4. They get all confused because the term global warming has the actual

word "warming" in it. So by their logic, global warming is only about it being warm outside. They don't understand that global warming causes the weather to be more extreme at both ends of the spectrum. So heat waves are more intense and snow storms are more intense. They won't be laughing when it's 80 degrees one day and snowing 2 ft of snow every other day. I remember they were slamming Al Gore when he was giving his global warming speeches and it was snowing outside.

[Kazak]

20. "Global Climate Change"

perhaps... :shrug:

[Occulus]

5. "global warming" really means "more global extremes"

Not "everything gets warmer".

Geez. But typical- they go by the title of things, rather than the actual meaning:

No Child Left Behind
Homeland Security

etc.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. Last year I encountered an idiot winger from Detroit

who claimed that all the snow they were having was proof that global warming was a hoax. A more intelligent person pointed out to him that the increased snowfall was proof of climate change, and that is a result of global warming. Shut the winger right up. LOL

[karlrschneider]

7. Groan. Well if you drive from Denver to Houston, you have to go

UP a lot of hills as you eventually go DOWN 5000 feet. :eyes:
They really aren't very bright, are they?

[patrice]

18. Excellent analogy!!

[karlrschneider]

31. Thanks, it isn't perfect but it's simple enough for even some of those

braindead morans...

[NYCGirl]

8. Tell the jerkoff that the phrase is "climate change," which encompasses

extremes in all types of climate.

[Amonester]

9. Sure does answer it.

Doesn't mean, though, that the idiot in question will ever "get it" as we already know.

Heard "El Ni~no" is on it's way north.

[BOSSHOG]

11. Its snowing in Buffalo that proves there is no global warming

The result of a total and complete lack of intellectual curiousity. People who believe such nonsense are extremely proud of their ignorance. They choose not to know stuff because of their "beliefs." They are a danger to the constitution.

[mnhtnbb]

16. Ignorant and proud of it--that's the motto of these idiots.

[chat_noir]

12. CLIMATE CHANGE....keep repeating the phrase

[terip64]

13. Not the brightest bunch of bulbs on the tree!

[patrice]

14. For those who mock anything "intellectual", false dichotomies and

straw men pass for intelligent thought and clever insight.

And schools just don't teach how it is that we "know" anything, i.e. rational empiricism and the nature of proof, how facts are collected and evaluated.

Funny that these people are usually the ones criticizing others for "lack of values" when they are Truly the Hollow Men who have no idea of how to identify the value of anything without some kind authoritarian decree of dogma.

[rodeodance]

26. they follow in the footsteps of our Pres.

[nam78_two]

29. Who thinks the recent study from Johns Hopkins

about the civilian casualties in Iraq is "sum numbah they gessed at" :eyes:

Yuss they done gessed it....whutever it is, it ain't dat hi...

Ugh....there should be an IQ test ........

[patrice]

30. Lemmings.

Really.

Nature is full of models each and every one of us should understand and **honestly** evaluate ourselves for what we can learn from them.

[nam78_two]

15. "Climate change" or better yet "the breaking of climate patterns"

is what I see in a lot of Nature articles these days. Might help keep the morans of this well-trodden and highly moranic thread of "reasoning" :eyes:

[texastoast]

17. It's about the increase in the "average" temperature over time

That's the whole key that dumber-than-dirt freepers don't get. It's the AVERAGE, people (using the term "people" loosely).

And, tell the dipwads that by drilling down into the ice record that has not been disturbed for over 40,000 years, there is NO evidence that the AVERAGE temperature of the Great Mother has risen so dramatically over ANY 100-year period EVER in that 40,000. They need to get a grip.

Bring it on, freeps. Let's discuss.



:banghead:

[ComerPerro]

19. They always do this. And I'd like to remind them

that it was 94 degrees here in the KC area last week.

And last January, I don't think the high ever dropped below 40

[Blue_Tires]

37. lol

remember my time at KU, and i had a professor (who was quite liberal) who every time we had a blizzard started mocking the idea of global warming (he was mostly joking, but it still made me want to cringe because our class was split politically)

[skids]

21. Not as dumb as you make it out to be.

First off, citing record hot weather as evidence of global warming is not entirely without merit -- as average temperatures rise, records get broken since the midpoint of the statistical distribution is raised.

Moreover, the wild fluctuations in extremes is also evidence of a system in heavy flux (like the swirling in a simmering pot of water with a melting chunk of ice in it) since the statistical distribution will also expand about the mean. Anecdotally not so much, but a trend of increased extremes means early cold snaps (coupled with the heat waves) are also actually evidence for global warming. Not that we need any, since it's patently obvious from scientific measurements that the globe is warming, and also there is ample evidence of antropomorphic effects.

The spring is when these cold snaps do the most damage, as warmer spring temperatures fool plants into blossoming only to be killed by increasingly abberant frosts.

[BurtWorm]

28. But again, you need to take measurements over time.

You can't take one point in a series of points and claim it's representative. You need to compare it to the other points.

[skids]

33. One point represents one thing...

An extreme data point even alone does have signifigance -- not what the freeps would like it to have, but a record-setting point does demonstrate the limits of the range (rather the lack of limits, but you get what I'm saying.)

[nam78_two]

34. Off topic

but your avatar is very noticeable and it reminds me of something I saw somewhere but can't recollect what or where...
What is it?

[skids]

39. .

http://www.zod2008.com/

[BurtWorm]

35. But the point is, it's not a "record" unless it's compared to other points

I think you know what I'm saying too.

[Viking12]

22. "Ass at winger site"

Isn't that redundant? I prefer "Climate Disruption".

[rodeodance]

23. I would ask him why he is to lazy to do his own research!

[SOS]

25. Here are some pictures the moron might understand

Two photos of the Artic Ocean (from NASA). The first is 1979, the second is 2003:





The article is entitled: RECENT WARMING OF ARCTIC MAY AFFECT WORLDWIDE CLIMATE

Any bets on whether the freeper "scientist" will read the NASA article?

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/news/topstory/2003/1023esuice.html

[Amonester]

32. Or if that scary one doesn't ring his/her/its alarm bell...

This one does ring my sister's...



She's in Tampa Bay and she worries for her grandchildren...

:scared:

[kestrel91316]

27. We're faced not just with overall warming, but GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE.

Things are getting unstable and unpredictable. The weather models aren't working anymore.

Some people just CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH.

[misternormal]

36. Freepers are akin to the...

... grasshopper that fiddled and slept all the days while the ants prepared for winter...

When the full effects of global warming take affect, they will be the first ones screaming... "Why the hell didn't anyone tell us??"

let 'em burn.

[Swede]

38. Global warming will cause wild swings in weather systems.

That is part and parcel of the statements made by scientists about it.

[muriel_volestrangler]

40. Example of data over time - England's hottest September since 1659

LAST month was the hottest September since records began in 1659, provisional figures from the Met Office show.

The figures are based on the Central England Temperature, which encompasses roughly a triangle between Bristol, Lancashire and London.

Temperatures were consistently above average over the entire country, despite thunder, lightning, tornados, gales, heavy rain and the remains of hurricanes. A new British record for the warmest September was also set for the country as a whole, although in this case the records go back only as far as 1914.

The Central England Temperature averaged 16.7C (62.1F), which pipped the previous highest temperature of 16.6C (62F), recorded in 1729. This was the longest-standing record of its kind.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2384334,00.html

The final calculation put it at 16.8 degrees C - http://www.metoffice.com/research/hadleycentre/CR_data/Daily/HadCET_act.txt .

Annual anomalies: