Plame's lawyers deserve medals for...

[IdesOfOctober]

http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/217500.html

In spite of all the criticism and outside kibitzing, they have held their fire until it matters most.

; )

Ides

[BuyingThyme]

1. What's the latest fire?

[IdesOfOctober]

2. None...that's the point!

It ain't the third week of October yet!

; )

[BuyingThyme]

3. Oh, I see.

I'll see ya in a few days.

[IdesOfOctober]

5. LOL...they're getting a lot of kibitzing, too...

... lots of people saying that the Wilsons should go ahead and do a "discovery dump" to show the American people what's been turned up so far.

Among the interesting links with Armitage (the reported source of the "inadvertent" leak):

Halliburton/KBR offices in Arlington, Virginia in same building as Armitage Associates, LC: http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/45012/000126947606000011/shameonvirginiasenators.htm

http://www.wilsonsupport.org/

; )

Ides

[CTyankee]

4. sorry, I don't know what is important about the 3rd week in Oct.

and I just saw Joe Wilson in person give a talk about the case. What have I missed here?

[IdesOfOctober]

6. CTYankee...

... Ever been to: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Twain_House ?

The Wilsons' attorneys are sitting on a gold mine of data. Knowing when to time out the next legal filings in the case is very important, and the point of my post is that they deserve medals - not condemnation - for the "slow" pace of the story lately.

Ides

[CTyankee]

10. OK, I give up

I'm not connecting the dots with the Mark Twain HOuse (which I've been in).

Hmm, all those acid trips in the 60s musta done something to the brain cells...

[IdesOfOctober]

12. Your nickname...

... reminded me of Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court, by Mark Twain.

That's all.

; )

Since you're a CTYankee yourself, I figured you'd been to the house. The first sentence was a non sequitur. Sorry.

Ides

[CTyankee]

15. I adopted it just to piss off my Texas relatives

who have never really forgiven me for leaving Texas to go to college and never coming back to live there. If you are a 3rd generation Texan, as I was, you are not supposed to leave Texas to live somewhere else. And becoming a yankee to top it all off well...

[IdesOfOctober]

20. I just smiled a deep...

... knowing smile.

Been there, done that, got the excommunication notice.

: )

Ides

[CTyankee]

22. yours sounds harsher than mine

if it was a church excommunication.

The Texas thing is just plain silly. My feelings were never hurt. I was just glad I could get out of there and go to yankee country (this was a long time ago and Texas was a segregated state. It made me a liberal.

[IdesOfOctober]

23. Nah, it's all in good fun...

... though isn't it funny how deep the distrust of those Yankees remains?

My family is a joy; my being an "outcast" for having stepped the wrong side of the Mason-Dixon is all in good fun.

Ides

[CTyankee]

26. I thought it was just a Texas thing

My grandfather, who died before I was even born and I am in my 60s now, was a young boy in Georgia when Sherman's army marched through and pillaged his family's farm. That is the reason they came to Texas in the first place. My mother used to tell me that her father refused to set foot over the Mason-Dixon line except to attend the graduation of his son from West Point in 1933.

[IdesOfOctober]

27. I still do a helluva good yell though...

... when I get to the southern side of it when driving!

: )

[CTyankee]

29. and where is that? n/t

[IdesOfOctober]

32. That is...

... located at the southern edge of PA and the northern edge of MD, roughly: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_dixon_line

; )

Are you a product of No Child Left Uneducated? I hear there was a pilot program in TX.

LOL.

Ides

[CTyankee]

33. I was in school WAY before shrub

and actually it wasn't bad. I had some great teachers. At my high school in Dallas I was not allowed to take French until I had finished two years of Latin. It made me angry at the time but I am thankful for having it now. I was accepted at both Carnegie Mellon and Norwestern universities (chose CM).

[IdesOfOctober]

34. I was teasin' ya...

... about asking the location. I know you meant *my* location, not the location of the Mason-Dixon.

; )

Ides

P.S. CMU has made a contribution or two to the web as we know it. Where'd you end up?

[CTyankee]

35. Actually I finished my BA many years later at a small liberal arts

college, Albertus Magnus, here in New Haven. Then I went on for a Master's in Liberal Studies, also at Albertus. It was a fun degree; I took courses in literature, history, political science, music history, art history, religion and my downfall, economics (I graduated magna, not summa, because of my less than "honors" grade in that course). I loved being a grad student!

[IdesOfOctober]

36. Did you take any electives ...

... in Texas Twang, or can you do a good Bush impression just by dint of your roots?

; )

Ides

[CTyankee]

37. When I was at Carnegie Mellon I was a drama major

and at that time they were very strict about ridding you of any regional accent. I had a soft East Texas accent (a la Bill Moyers)that was pretty easily ironed out of me.

Don't even get me started on W's "accent." The guy's a phony and his accent is phony. When you've grown up around people who have the real deal Texas accent, W's lame attempt at sounding Texan is insulting.

[CorpGovActivist]

38. A Connecticut Carpetbagger in Big Daddy's Oval?

; )

- Dave

[smalll]

30. I don't know what I'm missing here either, except my first instinct

was to wonder whether the "3rd Week of October" shares qualities with "24 business hours" - huge and exciting promised events which never occur.

[Gwerlain]

7. Oh, man, the hits...

just keep comin'. It's an old US tradition to tar and feather 'em and run 'em out of town on a rail. By the time they're done, they'll be lucky if that's all they get.

ETA: Any guesses what the administration that had the most members indicted in US history was?

[IdesOfOctober]

9. Teapot Dome? Watergate?

Grant? Nixon?

Do you know, or are you just asking a rhetorical question?

Ides

[Gwerlain]

24. Reagan.

A total of 130+ individuals were indicted or resigned to avoid being indicted.

[IdesOfOctober]

25. Think W could pull a similar speech off convincingly?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=my+heart+intentions+and+tells+me+facts+iran+contra

; )

[Gwerlain]

28. Unfortunately, I have little doubt. n/t

[yodermon]

8. hmm.. do tell?

have you more to say, Sir Ides?

I do say, you and CorpGovActivist are my favorite new posters at DU.

; )

[IdesOfOctober]

11. Like your avatar symbol...

... and I plead - well, not the Fifth - but how about "the better part of valor" as a reason to say simply:

I would not fall out of my chair in shock, nor spew my coffee on my computer screen in surprise, if the Wilsons' attorneys came forward with some new information shortly before the mid-terms.

; )

Ides

[CTyankee]

13. I'd love that! He spoke here in New Haven

to an enthusiastic, if somewhat small, group. But it was in the middle of the day on a weekday. There were LOTS of questions after his talk about the case. I didn't get a hint that there might be something that they'll release next week, but you just may be right. He's good and mad about what happened, that's for sure. But it is valid righteous indignation, IMHO. I say "go for it Joe." It could sway some votes. At the very least, it'll piss off the 'pubs grandly.

[IdesOfOctober]

14. Just remember that their anger is the second stage...

"Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate ..."

The Zen of Yoda

LOL

: )

Ides

[CTyankee]

17. They've been in hate mode for a long time, tho.

I don't think they can get more hateful than they've been.

[IdesOfOctober]

21. And we've all seen the suffering...

... here and abroad.

: /

Ides

[IdesOfOctober]

18. BTW, thanks...

"I do say, you and CorpGovActivist are my favorite new posters at DU."

That is very kind of you to say. David (CorpGovActivist) and his partner Patrick have been hard at this stuff for a very long time, laboring in relative obscurity (granted, with a name like David Smith...).

LOL

If you get a chance, drop one or both of them a note. I'm sure they'd appreciate a word of encouragement, though that same old optimism seems to be intact after all this time.

Ides

[Laurab]

43. I must agree with the poster who said that

although you BOTH owe me responses - of course I wasn't aware that David was a republican at the time I wrote - he seems quite nice, nonetheless, and obviously suffered a blow to his head and came to his senses. Any whistleblower of Halliburton is ok with me....

And you, well I suppose you're far too busy looking up LINKS to respond to emails, or ....well maybe you got the idea I was nuts or something, just because I added that PS about my dog......

[conscious evolution]

16. Why do I get the feeling

a possible indictment or two for treason might be forthcoming.

[IdesOfOctober]

19. At the very least, for Bribery...

... which the Founders considered important enough to list out, right behind Treason:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_Two_of_the_United_States_Constitution#Section_4:_Impeachment

Ides

[Buttercup McToots]

31. Bump...

up

[CorpGovActivist]

39. I Know This Has Been Posted, but...

Halliburton Shareholder Says DCAA Auditors Duped by KBR Officials,
Cites Experiences in KBR's Arlington, Virginia Offices;
Armitage Associates LC, Other "Neo-Con/Mastadon" Groups Shared Arlington Address

http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/45012/000126947606000011/shameonvirginiasenators.htm

That address - 1550 Wilson Blvd. in Arlington, Virginia - was crawling with Neo-Con organizations.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=1550+wilson+arlington+kbr

- Dave

[Blackhatjack]

40. Is Rove Not Going to Brought Down by Abramoff Instead of Plame?

I understand the emails are pretty enlightening to investigators regarding Rove's dirty work, and the Plame matter will gravitate more to Cheney. In fact, did Rove not lead Fitzgerald to Cheney's deleted email regarding Plame --to get Fitzgerald off his back?

I have to wonder if there are not massive transfers of unreported cash at Rove's direction going on right now to hide as much as possible before the Congressional subpoenoes arrive.

[IdesOfOctober]

41. Ah, BlackHatJack...

... our ancestors knew how to hunt mastodons:

http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefMedia.aspx?refid=461543877&artrefid=761566394&sec=-1&pn=1

It's not a single spear, or a single hunter, but many spears, and many hunters!

The unkindest spear of all?

From within the EOP itself.

Ides

[CorpGovActivist]

42. I'd Bet ...

... that they're holding something good for end of October.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,441697,00.html

- Dave

[Laurab]

44. Dammit I only clicked on the link cause I wanted to shop

and it wasn't the right Spiegel!!!