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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:11 PM
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LETTER TO RACHEL MADDOW: don't mourn Mark Warner pullout
Rachel,

I agree with you in most cases, but mourning Mark Warner pulling out of the presidential race and bemoaning party activists for slamming his bipartisan shtick was off-base.

First, talking about bipartisanship before you are even in the primaries is like running for prosecutor and touting your plea bargain rate. You want to hear how often they go to court and win.

Bipartisanship might have been a useful approach with Jack Kemp Reagan-era Republicans, but not from Newt Gingrich on.

Given the behavior of Republicans the last few years, when Grover Norquist said bipartisanship is like date rape, I think he meant Democrats were the victims not the perpetrators. They propose the most extreme thing, and rather than compromising with Democrats, they give them the choice of voting with them or being called a traitor.

The Democrats have been bipartisan on the confirmation of war criminals Condi Rice and Alberto Gonzalez to cabinet level jobs, failed to filibuster a Supreme Court nominee who doesn't believe in checks and balances but does believe in giving the president dictatorial power, signed on to things like the repeal of habeas corpus, the Patriot Act, and in years earlier, NAFTA and other trade agreements that are destroying our middle class. In all these cases, the Democrats have behaved more like you would expect if they were debating raising the speed limit or naming a restroom after Eleanor Roosevelt.

This is part of why they have a reputation of cowardice. If you don't stand up for your beliefs, why should people believe you will stand up in a shooting war?

Further, if you have a reputation for compromise, extremists can get more by making more outrageous demands.

Frankly, I don't want to hear from any Democrat how quickly they will fold in the face of right wing pressure. I want them to tell me what they will stand their ground for to the death, what they would be willing to be chased out of office rather than yield on.

An additional problem with Warner, Hillary and much of the Democratic leadership is that they have divided loyalties. They are courting corporate America while they ostensibly represent us. When those two interests conflict, the people at the top too often stand with business instead of us, most obviously in things like the Iraq War, which many support long after public opinion has turned.

Someone is not an extremist just because they want someone like Paul Wellstone who said he wasn't going to Washington to represent oil companies, banks, and corporations because they are already ably represented by one party--the Republicans.

Right now, the American people have maybe one half of one party looking out for us. That is not enough. People like Mark Warner and Hillary belong on K Street, not in the White House.


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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:13 PM
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1. K & R
Amen..
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:15 PM
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2. she said wherever he went, the public gave him holy hell....
for the shit Democrats have gone along with. I'm glad.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:17 PM
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3. Warner?
*gack*
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:25 PM
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4. Well said.
My sentiments, exactly.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 09:26 PM
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5. Nicely done. K&R. n/t
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:19 PM
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6. it is funny the people they trot out and expect us to salivate over
just because they give handjobs to corporate donors.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-13-06 10:20 PM
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7. Yeah!
:yourock:
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 01:56 AM
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8. more reasons to be glad he showed himself the door from SLATE:
This makes him sound like Lieberman in a Howdy Doody wrapper.

What exactly would a douche bag like this say in a debate with a Republican?


Whether he had a shot, Warner would have been an interesting candidate to have in the race. He was running to Hillary's right and saying the kind of moderate things that would have picked a fight with the party's liberal activists. Party fights are good: They work things out, and the Democrats could use the debate. At one point, Warner said the finger-pointing about Bush misleading America into Iraq wasn't helpful and that the party needed to move on. He said tax cuts were not a universal evil and that when Democrats talk about taxing the rich, they offend those people who want to be rich themselves someday. He was not a fan of what he called the party's "class warfare" populism that many Democrats think is the key to winning back the White House.

http://www.slate.com/id/2151423/?nav=tap3

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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 02:52 AM
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9. Man, that sucks!
The dude is just another corporate republocrat. They're nothing but cockroaches, and should be squashed.

I'm glad he's out of the race. That way, Diebold couldn't pick him.

:kick:

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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 10:39 AM
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11. It's no fun when the only choice is corporate whore with or without
religious nuts.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 09:07 AM
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10. As long as Feingold is an option, I'm happy!
I want he or Gore, or someone else totally divorced from the DLC then... It is essential to get someone that's not tied into the corporatocracy in order to at some point get public campaign financing passed at a national level and start taking down the corporatocracy in Washington.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 12:14 PM
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13. Catch-22: corporate media will mercilessly mock and nitpick
anyone who isn't chamber of commerce approved.

Howard Dean was moderate in principle, but not necessarily business-owned. That is why when he was ahead, he freaked out not only GOP, who preferred an effete milktoast, but the corporate Democrats.

If he had gotten further, he might have gotten worse than a character assassination.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 12:34 PM
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14. Me too. Feingold seems to have integrity in his principles. nt
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 10:42 AM
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12. they say a Democrat has to be a corporate sellout to win the South,
but why did Huey Long and FDR do well there?

If a true progressive looks tough instead of like a flower child left over from the 60s, I think they'd do better than these repackaged chamber of commerce droids.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:00 PM
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15. I thought Warner was a typical moderate millionaire-techie Dem
Till I read him criticizing Democrats for "abandoning the top 2%" by
rolling back the Bush tax cuts. Talk about the opposite of Edwards!
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-14-06 03:53 PM
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16. abandoning the top 2%? Those poor helpless people...
We should send the Michael Brown FEMA to help them out...
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