I hate Lou Dobbs...No I don't...Yes I do....No I don't...Yes I do...

[boolean]

After seeing Lou Dobbs on Maher last night, I don't know how I feel about him. A lot of what he says regarding the war and corruption is SPOT ON. I think he is a very intelligent guy and I agree with a lot of what he says.

But then he has this apparently innate xenophobia that turns me right off. "Multiculturalism doesn't work", he says. That's just BULLSHIT. I don't think he's a freeper, but I think he needs to work on his fear of Mexicans. They won't bite you, Lou.

That freeptard woman, though.....Damn if I wasn't glad to see Maher and Affleck go off on her regarding Iraq.

[Ladydawnelle]

1. I wish I got HBO

I love Maher (most of the time) and agree about DOBBS. Sometimes he sounds like a SANE passionate person fighting for the rights of the middle class and others he sounds like some rampant racist.

I guess he can be both. Too bad cuz it makes his name turn sour in my mouth. jmo.

[Nictuku]

2. Funny You should post that right now

I recorded Real Time last night and am just now watching it. Haven't gotten too far into it yet, so I look forward to hearing Affleck.

I watch Lou Dobbs news program from time to time. And I agree, sometimes I like him (he is one of the few MSM anchors who focuses regularly on faulty election systems. And we need all the focus on that we can get).

He was very strongly against the UAE Ports deal, and he was right on with that issue as well.

Where I disagree with him is on the immigration issue. The solution is easy: enforce the laws already on the books and go after people who hire illegal immigrants. If there were no jobs here, they would go back to Mexico. As long as people here are willing to break the law and hire them, the problem will persist, no matter what kind of wall is built.

But I loved his first response to the Freeper Lady, who said there was a good explanation for not confirming the Nuclear test, and Lou said, very sarcastically: "I bet there is."

Yes, it is a love/hate relationship I have with Lou. He does seem to be a man who thinks for himself though, vs. parroting the republican talking points on a daily basis.

[Saturday]

11. For those that are anti Lou because....

of his immigration stance....he has said many many many times on his show that employers need to be fined (big hefty fines) to stop the flow of illegals.

[Singular73]

3. Half of what he said made no sense.

Not in a partisan kind of way, but in an English kinda way.

[C_U_L8R]

4. As they say.. a broken clock is right twice a day

[Nictuku]

5. *snicker*

[Singular73]

6. *twix*

[NNN0LHI]

7. People with short memories forget Dobbs thought invading Iraq was swell

Then Iraq turned into shit and he changed his tune.

Don

[Saturday]

15. So he should be more like GWB and....

not admit he was wrong? IMO we need to embrace those that have seen the light. It is only through changing one mind at a time that we can get this mess over with.

[tulsakatz]

17. at least he changed..........

....there are some freepers who still think there are WMDs in Iraq!!

I sometimes get tired of hearing about the immigration situation but I usually agree with him on almost everything else.

[Reciprocity]

25. So did the Democrats who voted for it. Some still do.

[DURHAM D]

8. I was just dumb-struck by his arrogance. n/t

[Subdivisions]

9. Keep in mind that Lou is not a puke nor is he a Dem. He

is a Libertarian and he has beleifs that piss off both sides. You just have to decide whether you like him or not. I've decided to go with liking him. Besides, I'm a big fan of space.

[DTinAZ]

19. the enemy of my enemy...

I think of Libertarians as "the enemy of my enemy" and they are NOT necessarily my friends. Their beliefs are in many ways worse than those of the "garden variety" conservative.

DT

[bluedogyellowdog]

35. Actually, he's a Populist

which is to say, sometimes a liberal, sometimes to the left of liberal, sometimes a conservative, and sometimes a libertarian. But he's not really a Libertarian across the board. What he reminds me of most is the old Reform Party - Ross Perot, Jesse Ventura and so on. Which is to say I like the guy about 75-80% of the time, but there's always that 20% where he irks me.

[tridim]

10. He's a kinder, gentler racist asshole n/t

[UTUSN]

13. From the Southern Poverty Law Center:

*******QUOTE*******
http://www.splcenter.org/intel/intelreport/article.jsp?aid=589

Broken Record
Lou Dobbs' daily 'Broken Borders' CNN segment has focused on immigration for years.

But there's one issue Dobbs just won't take on.

By Heidi Beirich and Mark Potok

.... For more than two years now, Dobbs has served up a populist approach to immigration on nightly segments of his newscast entitled "Broken Borders." He has relentlessly covered the issue, although hardly from a traditional news perspective -- Dobbs favors clamping down on illegal immigration, and his "reporting" never fails to make that clear. He has covered the same issues, and the same anti-immigration leaders, time after time after time. In recent months, Dobbs has run countless upbeat reports on the "citizen border patrols" that have sprung up around the country since last April's Minuteman Project, a paramilitary effort to seal the Arizona border.

But there's one thing Lou Dobbs won't do. No matter what others report about the movement, Dobbs has failed to present mounting and persistent evidence of anti-Hispanic racism in anti-immigration groups and citizen border patrols. ....

********UNQUOTE*******

Drop him in the hamper with Tweety, O'LOOFAH, HANNITY, Pat & Bay BUCHANAN, G.E.RUSSERT. What's the common denominator? Education by nuns.

[bobbolink]

21. That's really not fair. Please, reconsider.

"What's the common denominator? Education by nuns."

Whatever your bad experience with nuns may be, I send you my empathy.

However, blaming, as you seem to be, racism by these idiots on nuns is beyond the pale. I don't know *any* nuns who are racist, not by any stretch of the imagination.

You may have had some painful experiences with nuns, but racism?? Really, I would have a hard time imagining that!

[UTUSN]

22. While I can see how most of my post regarded racism, I wasn't

intending to tie nuns specifically to racism. I was ballooning the generality of traditional Catholic education with the group of named individuals, all of whom have the same cultural background. I'm 1/16 Irish, so please, no counter-flaming on this (from whomever). And I'm lapsed R.C.--but can anybody EVER be FREE totally?---so, no flaming on being prejudiced about Catholicism, either, thanks.

Somebody once said that O'LOOFAH in particular is actually NOT a Conservative as such, that he is really "just" a Catholic populist. Jever notice how articulate, gabby, fluent these named individuals are? I credit their Catholic school background, which is high on memorization, classical rhetoric, language rote skills. Now, I'm surprised nobody has challenged me to prove that ALL of these individuals actually WENT to Catholic school. The ones, if any, that didn't still have the background.

Don't forget the REAL Father of Wingnut Hate Radio, Father COUGHLIN, who in the 1930s spilled his anti-FDR bile on more consumers than LIMBOsevic reaches today.

What has bothered me about Catholicism is how in recent years it has sided with wingnuts. This, despite that on 99 issues of social justice it belongs in the Dem column. The ONE issue on the other side being, of course, Choice. For ONE issue, they have thrown the baby, as it were, down the toilet. JFK was forced to make a pact with the country that he would "not take orders from the Vatican." In effect, he was reaffirming the Separation of Church and State. But then CARTER brought religion back into the mix, and then Shrub TOTALLY mixed it all it up completely.

Blessedly, my personal horror story about nuns comes down to one incident, limited to one school year, and is NOT the basis for my critique of Catholicism.

Here's hope:

************QUOTE******
http://thecatholicalliance.org/new/voting-guide/guide.html
Voting for the Common Good
Voting for the Common Good: A Practical Guide for Conscientious Catholics is an essential tool for Catholics who wish to vote their faith this November. It calls us to look beyond divisive politics to the fullness of our Church's teaching on a range of social issues - from poverty, war and torture to health care, immigration and the environment.

By placing Catholic Social Teaching at the center of our discourse, we're expanding the debate and encouraging Catholics across the country to inform their consciences, apply prudence in their choices, and vote for the Common Good.

*************UNQUOTE*********

[bobbolink]

27. No flames here ^_^

I don't come here for wars... I come here to discuss. :)

I understand what you're saying -- thanks for the reply.

I guess it was a shock to me, because the Catholics I know, including nuns, are among the *MOST* liberal I know. But, you're right, there is certainly that element of reactionary authoritarian, also.

Thanks again for your reply.

Here's to ... well, sanity and health. :hi:

[UTUSN]

30. Thank YOU for the civility. If anything, I am saddened by the

Catholic establishment's wingnuttiness, the threats to exclude pro-Choice Catholic politians from communion. I have an elderly sister who spends as much time in church and otherwise praying as, I think, the pope, and she has managed to remain Democratic, including on the issue of Choice, despite her circle of friends who have said very harsh things to her. Plus, most nuns are not like the scary one on EWTN, who, during Campaign 2000 was a daily, threatening t.v. commercial for Shrub. I don't know about '04, lost track of her, but recently saw her again and she was JUST as SCAWWY!!!!1 Thanks, again.

[bobbolink]

31. That's what happens when you hang out with like-minded people!

See, I guess I really know those kinds of Catholics are there. I'm just not around them, so they don't register. ~~silly grin~~ :hi:

The ones I know were chasing the "white train", getting themselves arrested at missile sites, etc.

And, then, of course, there's Cindy.

I enjoy talking with you... let's "meet" again, eh?!

:bounce:

[Saturday]

14. He's fighting for the jobs of the .....

middle class. I don't call that racist. I call that a caring American.

[tsuki]

12. Can't we agree to disagree? At least, he does say some

things that I agree with. When I don't agree with him, I just don't. I don't feel the need to demonetize him like the Conservatives demonetize everyone that is not lock-step.

These are real people. It is not a black & white universe.

[Mr_Spock]

16. I find his perspective worth listening to

I disagree with him at times, but I disagree with anyone who has an opinion at times!!

He's done more good than harm IMHO.

[Lerkfish]

18. perhaps its just better to decide if we like what a person SAYS, case by

case, and save up all the time we spend deciding whether they're heros or goats.

for example, Pat Buchanan, whom I don't like, has said a few insightful things about the neocons. I can agree with those things and disagree with teh rest of his statements.
If we lionize or demonized people, it makes it harder to do that.

[stray cat]

20. I generally like Lou Dobbs - he does his home work

And he has turned into one of the few populists unlike most dem politicians.

[leftchick]

23. Danielle Pletka is a neo-con crony

HUGE Iraq war cheerleader and regular on C-Span. She has the intellect of a crab, as you could see.

http://inside.c-spanarchives.org:8080/cspan/Pictures/Persons/1000211/1000211-191604-02.jpg

[leftchick]

24. oh and

Lou Dobbs is a rascist rat bastard.

[C_U_L8R]

26. Crabs are much smarter

she was more like a mollusk or perhaps a nasty barnicle

it was hilarious to see someone so loud and indignant
and so very wrong

how do these neocons get their wiring so screwed up??

[helderheid]

28. I think he's a libertarian. I agree with about 1/2 of what they agree with

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

29. I know how you feel...

Either he's bi-polar or I am...

[lies and propaganda]

32. his stance on Mexicans is what makes me vomit too.

I agree with a lot of his outsourcing anger, workers wages, etc. But he goes fucking nuts when it comes to 'the illegals.'

[Gabi Hayes]

33. can't believe nobody mentioned the STUPIDEST thing he said:

that the GENERALS are responsible for the Iraq fiasco!


not BUSH

not CHENEY

not RUMSFELD

he kept reiterating that over and over, saying the generals should have stood up. well, idiot, the ones who did were shown the door, from the beginning

that one stance shows how willfully, arrogantly ignorant the man is.

[jillan]

34. hahaha - I totally agree with you

I love that he talks about voting machines, the war on the middle class.
But then he says something and I just want to smack him.

I have the same feelings about Matthews...love/hate/love/hate.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

36. I have the same tortured relationship with Dobbs

He's right about the war, trade policies, and outsourcing. Just when I think it's okay to go back for some Lou action - BAM! Some racist bullshit or he's praising John Bolton.

[Rex]

37. He hates Bush and talks about his failures daily.

Unfortunately he wastes far too much time on illegal immigration.