Face it folks - it is the DLC versus DFA - who's it gonna be?

[Ugnmoose]

As I see it our Party is divided right now. The folks in charge (you know who they are) are largely entrenched hacks who are beholden to the corrupt system that keeps them in power. They have no loyalty to their constitutents. In many respects they mirror their counterparts on the other side, except they go through the motions of making us all believe that they share our beliefs and values. Bullshit I say. The real Democrats are those like you and me and those few in office today who consistently walk the walk and not just talk the talk. John Conyers is a perfect example of a real Dem.

The real hope for our Party rests with Dr. Dean and the organization he is trying to put together to reform the Party from the grass roots level. Unfortunately, it will take many years for this to take effect. Never the less it is an effort worth taking. All we can do at this point it seems is to continue to raise hell and hope someone is listening and support those at the grass roots level running for office who share our visions of what the Democratic Party truly stands for.

But make no mistake there is a war going on within our Party. The reformers are a real threat to the establishment. And since we are part of the reform movement we are also a threat. They hear us and fear us, but they are also doing their best to ignore us. I say don't let them. Make your voice known loud and clear in every way you can that true reform is on the way. These clowns bettter jump on board or we are gonna run them over and the corporatists that are clinging onto them. They may be winning some battles right now, but ultimately we will win the war. We have to. We must.

[Ignacio Upton]

1. DFA/DNC

vs. the hopefully margainalized DLC

[Burried News]

2. Bayonet fixed when Howard lost in Nebraska.

[napi21]

3. I may be wrong, but isn't the major objection to the DLC

the fact that they cater to corporations, mainly for $$?

I'm totally a Dean Dem, but I can understand why some Dems are looking for the Corp. bucks! Short of some reform that prevents Corps from making big contributions, how else do you suggest the Dems keep even close to the Pubs in raising $$?

I HATE the idea that it takes millions to run a successful election, but the fact is, IT DOES! IF that's our main objection to the DLC, why can't we work this out?

[leftstreet]

4. Public Campaign Financing

But no one seems to want to talk about it.

[napi21]

7. OH, I agree with you, that's the answer, BUT since Shrub spent all

the money, I doubt NOW is a time anyone can make that fly!

[leftstreet]

11. Isn't that the truth! n/t

[acmejack]

5. Because the corporations expect a quid pro quo for their money

Their interests are not generally allied with ours. That is precisely why we find ourselves in the position we are in now.

[napi21]

10. Yes, they do expect a quid pro quo, but that's another reason

FOR Dems to seek Corp $$. I'm not saying there should ever be a QPQ, but if we simply refuse the $$ on ethical grounds, I can't see how we'll ever win again!

The next thing is to tame the lobbyists! I don't know how far they'll get with any reform after this Abramoff mess, but if it doesn't do much, that can be a very good point for the Dem candidates to puch for the Nov. election!

[acmejack]

6. the dreaded dupe!

sorry

[bloom]

8. The DLC

slams anyone who is not on board with the Iraq invasion and the PNAC agenda.

They are not on board with what the majority of Americans want - at least not consistently - in basic services, healthcare, etc.

So the question will be - will our votes count for anything - and will enough people see who really has an interest in representing them.

[Cleita]

9. Considering that the DLC's main message is that

we aren't going to win without going to the center is entirely a false premise, yeah it's DFA for me. The fact is nowadays the center is where the Republicans used to be. No thanks!

[Radical Activist]

12. Depends. Are Dean and the DFA moderates or liberals this week?

They keep going back and forth. When you write about those who talk the talk but don't walk the walk, Dean and the DFA are the first things that pop into my mind.

I'm with you with the need to have a group to counter the DLC but I have a hard time believing that DFA is the group to do that.