Getting Foley into "rehab" was a brilliant move by the GOP

[texasleo]

Can you imagine Foley having to run from reporters ever day?

"Mr. Foley, did you have sex with minors?"
'Mr. Foley, did Speaker Hastert know about your attraction to young boys."
etc...

That would have made the GOP look even sleazier.

Putting Foley in rehab was not about him and his image, it was about protecting the ones who protected him.

[Vinca]

1. Disagree - not so brilliant.

Foley will be sprung from rehab. right before the vote and reporters will be on him like bees on honey (or flies on fresh dog poo). He'll be the star attraction 24/7 just before the sheeple head to the polls.

[rodeodance]

2. many programs are more than 28 days. Does anyone know?

[rfranklin]

3. It's an innovative new program...

it lasts until the participant is deceased.

[bpeale]

17. there is no rehabing a predator

even child predators in prison say that they cannot be rehabbed. he will come out of there the same old child predator he went in there as.

[Dr.Phool]

29. Is that the one in Guantanamo Bay they shipped him to?

[mulsh]

5. 28 days then on to the halfway house.

Seriously, Folley can be kept under wraps indefinately. There a lots of rehab facilities struggling for money and "everyone knows alkies and junkies always relaps".

[originalpckelly]

15. Yep, you are right, the lawyer said 30 days from Sept. 30...

so that will be October 30, 8 days before the election. They couldn't have done a dumber thing.

[stepnw1f]

4. Disagree

He looks like a low-life deliberately trying to equate alcoholism with something as disturbingly twisted as pedophilia. It looks really, really bad.... lot's of right wingers are extremely ashamed.

[tulsakatz]

12. that's true........

...he was trying to think of every excuse in the book so that he wouldn't have to accept responsibility for that! He was an alcoholic, he was molested by a member of the clergy but he won't name the person, and on and on.

[Zensea]

6. Not everything is a master plan

I seriously doubt the GOP had anything at all to do with Foley going into rehab.
He made that decision all by himself in my opinion.

[Mind_your_head]

9. It's not a"master plan", but rather "damage control"

C'mon, nobody even knows where Foley even IS right now (in rehab? Which rehab? And rehab for WHAT exactly? No one said, (except Foley himself) that he was an alcoholic! He's been outed as a CHILD PREDATOR that was the HOUSE CHAIR FOR MISSING & EXPLOITED CHILDREN for heaven's sake! How OUTRAGEOUS is THAT!!!!

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<snip>
Some develop complicated techniques for gaining access to children. They may select a job, hobby or volunteer work that brings them into contact with children.
<snip>

http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355

[rzemanfl]

10. I'd bet money that he is in the ATI program in Clearwater, Florida

living luxuriously, but staying away from the pool and the Safety Harbor Spa.

[Mind_your_head]

13. What's the "ATI" program? Sorry, I'm not a 'cool kid'

who knows all the acronyms.

Peace,
M_Y_H

[rzemanfl]

14. I have posted this, only to be ignored, so many times I got lazy.

I will post the link in a minute.

[rzemanfl]

18. Here is their website:

http://www.alternative2rehab.com/

[Mind_your_head]

21. Ahhhhh......'Snake-oil' Salesmen

Now I understand what you were saying.

For those who are unfamiliar with the term:

<snip>
Snake oil is a traditional Chinese medicine used for joint pain. However, the most common usage of the words is as a derogatory term for medicines to imply that they are fake, fraudulent, and usually ineffective. The expression is also applied metaphorically to any product with exaggerated marketing but questionable or unverifiable quality. In short, it refers to a product sold as part of a hoax.
<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil

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but it's MORE than that.....remember in the Wizard of Oz, Professor Marvel, the fortune teller? He couldn't tell fortunes, could he? HE was a 'snake-oil' salesman.

The "gypsy's" of old Europe were despised. Why? Because they were "Snake-Oil Salesmen"....exotic, yet not truthful.

(NAIVE) People "WANT TO BELIEVE", and they are 'led astray' by the "snake-oil salesmen"

Cynicism is a healthy trait.

Peace,
M_Y_H

[rzemanfl]

23. Alcoholics Anonymous would call this the "easier softer way"-

that doesn't work. I got sober the AA way and have stayed that sober for 21 years 2 months and 2 days.

[Mind_your_head]

25. Congratulations on your accomplishment!

:toast:

[rzemanfl]

27. The smiley on the right is me and has an N.A. beer. n/t

[rzemanfl]

20. They have to be making big money, they are starting a new

building, in Naples, no less, described as:

"The new ATI facility will be constructed on a ten-acre parcel of woodlands located in Naples, Florida. Designed to provide rehabilitation services to 24 residential clients and 10 detoxification clients, ATI's new home is being designed to blend naturally with its surroundings with minimal impact. A portion of the parcel will remain intact as «Florida Protected Wetlands» and will be used as an educational environment for clients, families and visitors from around the world». With trails and meditation decks planned throughout the grounds, ATI will also provide a broad range of spa-like amenities and activities designed to nurture and heal its clientele. ATI's individualized clinical therapeutic approach includes individual and group psychotherapy sessions, nutrition planning, fitness and alternative healing techniques.



Licensed by the Florida Department of Children and Families, ATI is a member of the National Association of Addiction Treatment Providers and The Florida Drug and Alcohol Association. To learn more, visit www.alternative2rehab.com."

[Mind_your_head]

22. Ten acres of land to support a max. of 34 'clients'....?????

Jeb's daughter is so 'there'.

As for the rest of us.....a big F U!!!!!!

Thank you very much,
M_Y_H

[rzemanfl]

24. But part of it is for water retention (i.e., swamp). Did you notice

that ATI won't take anyone who is drunk? That's like a maternity hospital that won't take anyone in labor...

[Mind_your_head]

26. I didn't notice that.....but I believe we are getting off topic of the OP

n/t

[rzemanfl]

28. I never have a problem with going off on tangents on DU. Some

of the best stuff happens off course.

[Mind_your_head]

7. I agree...as there is no "treatment" for pedophelia...and THAT is

what Foley stands accused of. If he had alcohol problems as well (which sources close to Foley doubt), that's a different matter altogether. He went to 'rehab' to get away from the cameras/interviews - and probably to protect the ones who OBVIOUSLY were protecting him all these years! You're right Texasleo.

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Treatment for Pedophilia

Pedophilia generally is treated with cognitive-behavioral therapy. The therapy may be prescribed alone or in combination with medication. Some examples of medications that have been used include anti-androgens and selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (commonly called SSRIs). But unlike the successful treatment outcomes for most other mental illnesses, the outlook for successful treatment and rehabilitation of individuals with pedophilia is guarded. Even after intensive treatment, the course of the disorder usually is chronic and lifelong in most patients, according to the DSM-IV, which is the reason that most treatment programs emphasize a relapse-prevention model. However, both the fantasies and the behaviors often lessen with advancing age in adults.

More:
http://www.medem.com/MedLB/article_detaillb.cfm?article_ID=ZZZUZRUZGLC&sub_cat=355

[no_hypocrisy]

8. I don't see it that way. Here's why.

Foley's sudden enrollment into rehab reminds me of what attorneys do for their DUI clients before their court date.

A guy goes out drinking, gets pulled over, and fails a breath-a-lyzer test. Goes to an attorney the next morning. Attorney finds he can't challenge the results of the breath-a-lyzer and can only argue for leniency of punishment at the court hearing.

In NJ, your right to drive is suspended for a certain number of days (obviously more if the defendant is a multiple DUI violator). But the judge can order the defendant into rehab, community service, even jail. Jail's the big thing that attorneys have to prevent. It's a real option.

So . . . weeks before the hearing, the attorney orders his/her client to start going to AA meeting, better if more than once a week. It doesn't matter whether or not the client thinks s/he is an alcoholic. Just show up and go home in a few hours. That way, on court night, the attorney can say with a straight face to the judge that his/her client is ashamed of what happened, that getting the DUI may have been a fortunate event in his/her life, and that the defendant is committed to never drinking-and-driving again. And to prove it: the AA meetings and maybe a sponsor showing up to testify on behalf of the defendant.

Now . . .what's a judge to do? If all this sounds believable, he leans towards leniency and the attorney has done his/her job by blunting the blow of responsibility of his/her client.

So, Foley looks like a combination of this hypothetical DUI client and Jimmy Swaggert ("My Lord, I have sinned!"). It's PR. He looks like he's repented and he won't do it again. And it's more for the benefit of the GOP, not Foley, he's doing this.

[Mind_your_head]

11. You AGREE with the OP then....

And it's more for the benefit of the GOP, not Foley, he's doing this. <------------- your last sentence is exactly what the OP (original poster) is saying....therefore, you agree and "do see it that way".

[no_hypocrisy]

33. Specifically, I don't believe that it was a brilliant move.

[bpeale]

16. not me

i don't think it was brilliant. more like criminal. after watching all these primetime child predator shows, every one of those guys got arrested and booked, justice was swift and sure. i don't see why it shouldn't be the same for foley. to me he is escaping justice. it would have been better for the repugs to get him arrested and booked immediately so as to take away that preferential treatment thing just because the guys a congressman. that shows all of america that the repugs are not serious about child safety when they allow one of their own to prey on children & then shield him from the results of his actions. i am sure that all of america feels exactly the same way about it. the repugs will pay at election time. it doesn't matter WHO told or for what reason. the bottom line is that you have 4 people saying that hastert knew for at least 3 yrs and only hastert saying its not true. excuse me, but i think i will believe the 4 whose stories are the same, and i think most of america will too. they are trying to dig themselves out from under this reprehensible situation and hastert keeps painting them with the coverup brush. its disgraceful. hastert should be tarred & feathered & run out of town on a rail. not that i think the other 4 should escape any punishment.

[Mind_your_head]

31. You're exactly right.

A belated, but heartfelt, "Welcome to DU" :toast:

Peace,
M_Y_H

[bpeale]

34. thanks

[texasleo]

19. Think about the juxtaposition: Hastert vs. Foley

Hastert is a harmless-looking fat guy who may or may not have known.
Foley is a creepy, bug-eyed goober.


It's all about image.

[elfin]

30. And they will string it out until AFTER the election

The reports are saying "at least" 30 days - bet the standard time gets extended so there is not a blitz of bad news and photo ops when he exits the phony escape from attention.

[KharmaTrain]

32. Ney's Using His For A Reduced Sentence

TPM reported that part of Ney's deal he could have a year knocked if his sentence for completing a "drug rehab" program and that that program could be arranged at a seperate facility...meaning Ney may never have to share a cell with Bubba but be hold up in some drunk tank for a year and then get paroled.

This was a definitely lawyer move...put Foley outta sight and let this shitstorm blow over.