Am I the only one here

[lamp_shade]

who thinks the GOP may just WANT us to win next month... AND in 2008?? I just don't see many signs of the usual "big push" yet just before elections, though that may come in the "final 72 hours". Could it be that they've made such a mess of things that, like children, they're ready and willing to let us clean up the mess they've made? They CANNOT fix their screw-up in Iraq... not now, not ever... and they KNOW it. The best alternative is to let somebody else do it. Then they can sit back and pray that we can't fix it either. This thought occurs to me often.

[Bluebear]

1. Not in the least. I think they are trapped like rats.

And like petulant children you will hear a caterwauling like you have not heard since the 90's when they lose their death grip on every branch of government.

[wake.up.america]

3. Could it be they want the Demos to win in 2006, so they can blame the...

Demos in 2008 for the huge mess the Republicans created between 2000 and 2006?

We have to be very open and honest with the American electorate about the problems the Republicans created and what can be done to rectify the situation.

[Bluebear]

5. They will blame us for 2000-2006 anyhow. Or it was Clinton's fault.

You just can not embarrass these people.

[tenshi816]

6. You said it in your first post -

Republicans are like petulant children. Everything is always someone else's fault, and like a small child caught doing something naughty, they're capable of convincing themselves that they really haven't done anything wrong - and they think that if they repeat it enough times, it makes it true.

My 10-year old has more maturity.

[Random_Australian]

2. The only thing they would want is someone to blame, from what I can see.

Neo-cons were selected from democracy as those who have the best ability to twist words of all time.

I don't think they think that you can clean it up, in fact from what I see they regard dems as inferior.

But if the dems won, they would not have to hold back about the news; they could tell everyone how bad things are going and blame it all on the dems.

[mykpart]

4. Maybe they're just not worried because they know the fix is in.

[marions ghost]

7. No

they do not want us to win congress. Not in a zillion years. This is definitely not the scenario they imagined. But things are so bad that they know they may not be able to credibly steal it this time. Some demoralization, esp about Iraq, is going on within the ranks. If Iraq were going as "swimmingly" as Ann Coulter claimed, you would not see this reaction. The Hindenburg would still be flying high.

These are NOT people who think in terms of "cleaning up messes." They do not do that job, nor do they care if somebody else does it or not. That would require a sense of responsibility. That would require a true concern for others. That idea is far-fetched. You have to understand the criminal mind. The world, these people believe, is theirs to exploit. Like high-stakes gamblers, they just think they've had a streak of bad luck...mojo's just not working for em right now, that's all. Suddenly it's a little less easy to blatantly rip the country off. The jig's up. Exposed like a routed nest of rattle snakes blinking in the sun, stunned...they're waiting to see what the collateral damage will be. And then they'll be back in their groove, looking for the best new ways to lie, cheat, steal and capitalize on their ill-gotten gains, their new legal loopholes, enjoy the multiple fruits of their real agenda in congress. Despite all the spectacular public failures, they've made some huge strides in their subterranean agenda.

Don't be fooled by the lack of "push." Predators often know exactly how to bide their time....

[BeFree]

13. Indeed, the criminal mind

Darkness is their friend. The Light is their foe.

Even thinking they are anything but criminals is keeping the Light from shining on their deeds.

They are not statesmen, they are common crooks, and having achieved their positions by hook and by crook, they will do nothing different.

[thecrow]

8. I think that the pollsters are contributing their share

in that all these polls are showing that the R's are so far behind in some cases and that the PEOPLE are growing weary of the R's.
I applaud this, as it is contributing to the the effectiveness of exit polls.... if everything is pointing to a Dem win, they can't steal it as big this time without a LOT of questions.
Now... if we only had a paper trail.

[zeemike]

11. I think the thing to watch for is movement in the polls

In those races that the gap closes is the ones that can be stolen without being suspicious,
And then if the demos fail to take the majority we will know that the fix was in.
Then it will be the job of the media to convince us that we will surly win in 08.

[rman]

9. Maybe they want to be sure the next terrorist attack

is on the Dem's watch. If so, then they'll be sure to capitalize on it.

[Lerkfish]

10. amazing this is like the third variant of this talking point I've seen

this week:

1. maybe we should lose and leave repubs with their mess to clean up
2. maybe the GOP wants to lose and leave us with their mess
3. maybe if the GOP wins, history will pin this mess on them.


to all these and other variants, I say HELL NO, and I wonder if this isn't some sort o psyops to discourage us (not the OP, but this message in general).

Because all it really says is "give up, its not worth fighting and winning."

and that is exactly what the repubs want us to do, eh?

[rasputin1952]

12. I'm thinking that the R's just don't have any ideas. Everything the

neo-cons have pushed through, has had effects that range from just plain bad for the citizenry, to downright collapse and destruction of many of the Rights and Privileges we've held as a nation for a long period of time. Disaster has been the neo-con hallmark.

I think that realistic R's, (the real R's, Lincoln, Eisenhower types), figure that those that hijacked the party have created such a mess, it can't be fixed w/o a complete overhaul, and w/the D's in charge, they could regroup and excise those that have created this hell.

I think a lot of R's have given up on their party, wondering just what went wrong, how they were duped so bad and how to fix the nightmare.

In any case, without anything to put forth, the neo-con GOP has dug it's own grave...Thank God.

[marions ghost]

14. oh yeah, sharp observation

you do hear all these variants...with the same housewifey theme of "cleaning up the mess" and who should do it...like somebody's merely had a party and trashed the house.

If psyops, maybe this line is supposed to appeal to the "personal responsibility" brigade (which means you leave everything for others to deal with, since your personal boundaries are strictly limited to yourself). It smacks of those simplistic "logical" soundbite arguments that really don't hold up under scrutiny. The people in power do no think in terms of cleaning up "messes." That is very naive thinking.

History will 'pin this mess' on Republicans regardless, but obviously win or lose, everyone will be dealing with the effects.

[sendero]

15. It's an interesting idea..

... but the fact is that a Dem house can instigate investigations and do lots of other things that the Repugs can ill afford to have done.

The races they have conceded - you can bet their own polling shows they have zero chance. Rather than waste that $$$ on a fruitless mission, they are shuffling their $$$ and time into races where there is still a chance.

And there are fewer of those with each passing day!

[Gabi Hayes]

16. one of the reasons we have Masturgate is that Rove pretty much blackmailed

Foley to run, out of fear of myriad investos

it's been written about/discussed here already