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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:59 AM
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whoo hoo! I think Lieberman just blew it! Please Recommend!
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 06:33 AM by femmedem
Front page of Ct's largest paper:

Joe Lieberman in No Man's Land

snip

Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman, a lifelong Democrat and student of politics, blanked when asked if America would be better off with his party regaining control of the U.S. House of Representatives.

A Democratic victory would immeasurably boost the influence of two Connecticut friends, U.S. Reps. Rosa L. DeLauro and John B. Larson, and provide a counterbalance to the Republican Senate and White House.


"Uh, I haven't thought about that enough to give an answer," Lieberman said, as though Democrats' strong prospects for recapturing the House hadn't been the fall's top political story.

http://www.courant.com/news/politics/hc-lieberman1015.artoct15,0,4212964.story?page=1&coll=hc-headlines-home
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PsychoDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:01 AM
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1. "His Party"
Joe thought that was the Republicans....


HAHAHAHA

Peace.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:22 AM
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30. Bingo - Ding Ding Ding - we have a WINNER!!!!
He thought it was a trick question!!

Almost answered "but we are already in control" before his brain crashed...
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:27 AM
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47. Plus, don't forget he REFUSES to campaign or even support any other
Democrat in any other race in Connecticut...
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:34 AM
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33. And legally lieman is an independent so
no way are they posed to take the House, either. }(

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:12 PM
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62. Poor Joementum.. He hasn't has time to "study" the stance
of the Independent party :rofl:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:06 AM
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2. we need to use this in an effective way
even if we had no chance of winning there should not be question or hesitation in answering and what the answer should be if asked this.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:29 AM
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6. I'm going to spend the day writing an op-ed in response.
I'm nobody important, so I don't know if my paper will run it. But I did get one published in the Courant, so I have a fair shot.

But yes, we need all the LTTE's on this subject we can get. And the campaign needs to use this every way possible, ASAP.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:40 AM
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50. My wife's LTTE on Lieberman mentioned this
How - when asked about Iraq, he told the questioner they had to wait a week for his answer. Joe Lieberman, maybe the most vocal supporter of the Iraq debacle in all of Congress, had to wait a week before he could answer. I guess he had to check which way the wind was blowing while he formulated his answer? Consult his pollsters, focus groups, etc...

Here is her closing paragraph:
>>>
These everchanging positions should not come as a surprise. A few weeks ago, Lieberman was asked by the media about his position on Iraq, and he told them they had to wait a week for his response. Despite his being one of the most outspoken cheerleaders of the Bush Iraq debacle, Lieberman still had to check which way his political weathervane was pointing before he could respond.<<<
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:13 AM
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3. He hasn't thought about that enough
Cause that wasn't in his plan.
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:27 AM
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17. I know - the question wasn't about HIM; therefore, he hasn't
really thought about it much.

Selfish bastard.
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eShirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:16 AM
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4. finish the sentence, Joe


"Uh, I haven't thought about that enough to give an answer," vague enough not to really answer the question and show what a sleazy hypocrite I am.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:32 AM
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7. Exactly!
Lieberman has three types of people supporting him now: Dems who've voted for him for eighteen years, Independents who think he has the integrity to stand up for what he believes, even if his views are unpopular, and hardcore Repubs who hate Lamont and realize Schlesinger doesn't have a chance.

This nonanswer will only sit well with the Repubs. And in CT, Lieberman can't win with Repubs alone.
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:26 PM
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85. No, it shows he is sleazy.
It isn't vague, it's pretty clear. He didn't want to lose republican votes and figures others in the "for joe" party are just for Joe.

The least he could have said is that one party control is bad for getting needed checks and balances and so it could be a good thing.

Not thought about it? Does he think all republican has been good for the country or hasn't he noticed?

Of course maybe he hasn't thought about it. It doesn't have joe in the sentence. Maybe he just thinks about still being called senator, puffed up by his own importance.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:19 AM
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5. He needs a week to think about it.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:45 AM
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8. rove didn't prep him for that one.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:09 PM
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83. Kick & Recommended
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:52 AM
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9. Why ANY CT Dem still supports this refuse heap is beyond me....
Since all he does is support Republicans, all he deserves is Republican support.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:57 AM
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11. The corporate policies supported by Joseph Lieberman...
..aren't in the interest of the average person who votes for Repubicans, either.

Joe Lieberman doesn't deserve their support, either (nor do the Republicans they vote for.)


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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 06:53 AM
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10. Thanks I just emailed this to a few people.
Let's send this around.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:05 AM
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12. I did, too.
And the title of my Op-ed is going to be "Who is Joe Lieberman?" (A riff on his repeatedly asking "Who is Ned Lamont?" during the 7/06 debate.)

And I'm going to write a LTTE to the Courant tomorrow after we all learn who his corporate masters are.:)
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:07 AM
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13. How does a "lifelong Democrat"
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 07:11 AM by Solly Mack
miss a no-brainer question like (to paraphrase) - would America be better off with his party regaining control? - and right before an election to boot?

Simple - because Lieberman isn't running as a Democrat is he?

He's not exactly in an "I'm a Democrat" frame of mind is he?

Lieberman wants to win - period. Answering that question with a "Yes" (America would be better off) would offend some of those Republican voters he's been courting.

The way he figures it, any Democrats that plan to vote for him at this point will vote for him regardless of what he says or does.

Lieberman is hoping Democrats voting for him will tell themselves he will align himself with Democrats once re-elected.

Lieberman wants Republicans to tell themselves Lieberman will continue his support of Bush. And for Republican voters to see how Democrats didn't nominate him for the Democratic Party - so that just adds to Lieberman's appeal for the Republicans...

The question was a good one.

It highlights that Lieberman is running as an Independent - and No, Independents (Lieberman's party) won't be gaining the majority in the house, so it's rather pointless to ask the question unless you have another reason for asking it

It put Lieberman in the hot-seat

A "Yes" would offend Republicans and cost him votes

A "No" would greatly offend Democrats.

A non-answer", which is what he gave, also offends Democrats - but it'll appease those Democrats who plan on voting for him regardless of what he says or does. He can tell Republicans later that he doesn't think in terms of which party has the majority, but rather "working across party lines" - so that's why he answered the question that way


A "lifelong Democrat" would have answered "Yes!"
A "student of politics" knows the non-answer is the safest answer.











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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:12 AM
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14. Good prediction. If Lieberman is asked the question again,
...instead of an awkward non-answer, he may give a slicker non-answer about how politicians should work across party lines regardless of who is in control.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:16 AM
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15. He's been pushing that talking point about himself for a while now
I'm sorta surprised he got caught off guard this time

makes me wonder what's lurking beneath the surface in his thinking
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:28 AM
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18. What's lurking beneath the surface in his thinking?
Exactly the question we need to put in voters' minds. Who is Joe Lieberman? If you think he's a lifelong Democrat who, although supportive of Bush's war, otherwise supports Democratic causes, think again. If you think he's that rare politician with the integrity to stand up for his beliefs regardless of the politica cost, think again.

The Dems and moderate Independents who were planning on voting for Joe liked his domestic agenda and personal integrity. They're going to have second thoughts now.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:22 AM
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31. It really is - "Exactly the question we need to put in voters' minds"
Plant the seeds of doubt... how can he be trusted if he only plans to use your trust (and a vote is a form of trust) to go against the very reasons you voted for him in the first place



horrible syntax there lol
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #18
68. He's been doing mucho pandering for publican's votes
His debate with Lamont seemed geered to appeal to publicans, I see this statement as more of the same. He appears to be fence sitting, but publican's will eat this up--it's more of the dog whistle kind of campaigning that KKKarl is famous for.

I really despise Lieberman.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:47 AM
Response to Reply #13
23. Good analysis Solly Mack.
Joe has most definitely slipped a gasket. The more I see of him, the more incredulous I am he was the Veep candidate in 2000. To think at one time I had respect for this person!
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:23 AM
Response to Reply #23
38. I often wonder "how in the world" did than man become VP candidate
Seriously. I'd have liked to have been a fly on the wall during that meeting.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #38
42. I am pretty sure he was inposed on Al Gore by Dem
Party powerbrokers.
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PuppyBismark Donating Member (200 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #13
27. But that answers the real question.
Now there is no question that the day he is sworn in or before, he will join with the other sides. He will protect the Repubs back and become one of them.

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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:17 AM
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29. He'll play down the middle as long as he can - for as long as
he can get away with it, I should say...and that's probably as long as it takes to get elected.

But the support Lieberman is getting from the GOP machine must be paid for....the GOP will demand something in return...and becoming a Republican just might be part of the price they expect.





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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:06 AM
Response to Reply #13
28. Please. The root word of "LIEBERMAN" is "LIE". Not "Man"
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:44 AM
Response to Reply #28
35. of course he's lying
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 09:47 AM by Solly Mack
as omission is a lie

in this case Lieberman used commission (actually telling a lie) along with his omission

Of course Lieberman has considered the ramifications of a Democratic House majority...he'd be a fool not to have...so by saying he hasn't thought about it - he told a lie...and by giving a non-answer to the question , he engaged in another lie by omission....answering the question directly would have had an impact on how voters see him.....so his non-answer in and if itself was deceptive.
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #13
53. Joe wants to bash Muslims for Israel. Period. Dems in power MIGHT
put a damper on that plan.
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requiem99 Donating Member (663 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:47 PM
Response to Reply #13
71. Absolutely 100 percent accurate. You win.
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FighttheFuture Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #13
84. Because he's NOT!!! William F. Buckley supported him in '88! DANGER!!
Danger Will Robinson!! Buckley didn't like Lowell Weicker, the liberal Republican so he pushed Joe "Brutus" Lieberman as a cancer onto the Democratic party. He's been a tumor ever since.

Joe has always been a plant conservative in the Senate for corporate DLC interests and for Repuglican take over plans. If that isn't apparent by now, what will it take? Him being branded like some pledge and fucked with a baseball bat on stage by George Bush? Oy!!
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long_green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:31 PM
Response to Reply #84
92. You're wrong.
Brutus was a decent guy. Joementum is more like Cassius.
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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:22 PM
Response to Reply #13
96. Debate question, "Joe are you a Dem or a Pub?"...
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 11:23 PM by Polemicist
Simple question. Are you a Democrat or are you a Republican? Who do you support? The Democrats of Connecticut or the Republicans? You can't be both, Joe. When someone trys to be all things to all people, he ends up being nothing to anyone.

If Joe Lieberman can't decide which Party he supports, how can he decide what policies to support in Washington? And how can you as a voter decide if he will support your interests? There's no way to know. Joe will tell you whatever he thinks you need to hear to get re-elected. The glaring truth is that Joe supports the "Joe for Joe" party. And that will help no one but Joe.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:25 AM
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16. I need to write a letter on this - ideas wanted
thanks!
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kohodog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:39 AM
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21. What are the other issues Joe hasn't "thought much about"?
It seems to be a trend. I'll try to look back and find some specific examples, but he's getting better at avoiding questions.

And he truly is in no man's land, as his money and support are coming from Republicans. And the fact that he will caucus with whichever party gives him seniority shows what he is really all about: himself.

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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:43 AM
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34. A few weeks back
A member of the CT media asked for Joe's position on Iraq - he said they had to wait a week for his response!!!!!

The guy has been the most outspoken advocate of the Iraq war and he couldn't give his opinion without consulting polls & focus groups over the couse of a week?
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:02 AM
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36. And here is what Ned Lamont should say about that...
"If the question of Iraq came up in the Senate today, it does not matter how nuanced Joe's position might be the next week. If any member of this body should be prepared to answer when asked their position on Iraq, it has to be Sen. Lieberman. It is, after all, exactly the position of George Bush!"





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civildisoBDence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:20 AM
Response to Reply #36
37. Those two wishy-washy statements should be the center of Lamont's TV ads
They give impetus to the notion that Lieberman is a calculating, self-absorbed liar who'll do and say anything to win.

Newsprism
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:41 AM
Response to Reply #16
22. The gist of mine will be that politicians usually have several masters:
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 07:54 AM by femmedem
voters
donors
political party
conscience

It's easy to show that donors have always influenced LIeberman's votes. There's no other way to explain his vote for the 2005 energy bill, his vote against filibustering the bankruptcy bill, his opposition to universal health care, his opposition to lobby reform, etc. Now, without a party platform to tell us where he stands, and heavily funded by Repubs and Big Pharma, Big Oil, and Big Finance, we have to question to what degree, if any, Lieberman will feel bound by the traditional Democratic Party platform.

Of course, at DU we've known this for a long time. But many voters still don't.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:32 AM
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19. Easiest BS call ever
Joe, you've thought about nothing else. And you know that Democrats gaining the HOR would mean the free ride your pal bunnypants has had would be over.

Can't say that kinda thing on a live mic though, can ya?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:37 AM
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20. hmmm didn't he already answer the question with a peevish finger wag?
with a "they (democratic voters in Connecticut) should have thought of that before the primary."? Guess the GOP polling firms let Joe know that a scolding to voters that he needs in November wasn't a good answer to the question. So now, he hasn't "thought about it?" Rings hollow, Sen. Lieberman.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 07:52 AM
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24. Were they asking if the country would be better if the LIEberman
for Connecticut party won control of the house or if the independent party (whatever that is) won? LIEberman is no longer a Democrat...why don't they ask the DEMOCRAT, NED LAMONT, who is running whether he thinks HIS party would do better?

Oy vey!!!
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The Count Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:09 AM
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25. But only if you spread it wide in time for the election
All Dems need to be aware that if they vote for Joementum they vote for the enemy. That simple.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:36 AM
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26. In the practical world
A big negative campaign against Joe's garbage and gaffes. Money for his Republican opponent. Securing the organizational machinery. These are all things we don't or can't do. The Republican is cash strapped, his machine subdued and supporting(by national order) the "Democrat". Joe breezes on incumbency with old support, confusion and suppression of competition. pressure is on the state Dem machine to back the "winner".

Both state party machines must be angry and discontent at this point. Negotiations are possible to squeeze out the incumbent "neither fish nor fowl". The same for the limited money. The same for the ads.
Instead it looks like both the real big party cnadidates have been spinning their wheels like Greens and Libertarians in similar situations. That should nver have happened in the first place and only exists because of outside influence from the WH.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:31 AM
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32. I think he just admitted that he's been playing us all those years.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:30 AM
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39. Fuck yeah he blew it, but since he blows this is not new. bushitler
even gave him a kiss for his "job". Wanker! Heh!
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AzDar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:31 AM
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40. Hopefully, those Dems planning to vote for Joe-hole, still believing
he's a Democrat, will catch this!
Joe must go!!
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 10:31 AM
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41. Lieberman plays both ends against the middle.
He is hedging his bets. If the Senate ends up 50/50 or even 51/49 Dems, Joe will go with whoever gives him the best deal.
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LibraLiz1973 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:09 AM
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43. He was confused... because he thought his party was already in charge.
Bastard
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:13 AM
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44. This is the Smoking Gun that proves LIEberman will jump to the GOP.
If he wins, he will jump to the GOP. That is why we must pull out all the stops for Lamont and get at least 52 Democrats in the Senate!
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:17 AM
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45. Cheney showing up to stump for him was MY smoking gun...
Anyone who still thinks that imposter is a Dem is nuts. He has been a plant from the start...
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:51 PM
Response to Reply #45
79. You got that right! Juck Foe before he Yucks Fou Again!
This evil sleazy Nazi has to go!
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ninkasi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:23 AM
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46. His main concern
Seems to be keeping his majority status. If denied that, he will switch parties without a second thought. Lieberman is about Lieberman.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:28 AM
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48. HE BLEW IT alright!! OOOps...
What tangled webs we weave.... those lies have come full circle to bite you in the ass... or... er... face.
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williesgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:40 AM
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49. He'll ONLY accept Homeland Security Committee - the fucker is dictating
and threatening if he doesn't get what he wants, he'll jump. This needs to be in EVERY ad.

I'm on a fixed income but today I'll donate to Lamont's campaign.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:42 AM
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51. ASSHOLE!!!!!!
GOD I DESPISE JOE LIEBERMAN!!!!!! FORGIVE THE SHOUTING BUT I REALLY REALLY REALLY LOATHE AND DETEST AND ABHOR THAT P.O.S!!!!!

:grr: :grr: :grr:
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:45 AM
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52. Forgiven.
Shout all you want. You're among friends.:)
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Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 12:07 PM
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54. Hey man, don't hold back
Tell us what you really think. Here's my two cents worth. Fuck Lieberman.
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L0oniX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:45 PM
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65. Asshole indeed and if I may add ...an ass carrot too
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 12:23 PM
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55. K&R AND THEY NEED TO POUND THIS!!!!!!!!
POUND POUND POUND!
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Pierogi_Pincher Donating Member (323 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:12 PM
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90. Now that you mentioned 'pound',
the wise voters of my beloved birth state, CONNECTICUT, (God how I miss you), had better tell two-faced next month to take a powder. I was just recovering from a hellatious two weeks and I read this thread. Must've missed other posts on updates re: CT. He's been working both sides of the street. Glaringly self-promoting.
As smoke vanishes, let his plans also. Amen.

Atta way Ned!

P_P :dem:
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 12:27 PM
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56. I read a post on the DU the other day that stated,
"It doesn't matter who wins Connecticut anyway because the winner will vote with the Dems." Whomever that was who posted that remark is seriously delusional - I don't think Lieberman has really voted with the Dems since 2000.
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:07 PM
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61. He sits there and smirks when people mock the lies of Al Gore
He's not a Dem nor a Repug. He is a frontrunner. If the Dems take back control in solid fashion, he will slither back up to them in a heartbeat. If not, he will continue sucking the GOP teet.
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:38 AM
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105. Precisely the reason he should not be Senator...
We need leadership - not yes men.
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Time for change Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 12:49 PM
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57. I believe that this gives credence to the suspicion that Lieberman will
caucus with the Republicans if elected.

Otherwise, how on earth could he fail to give an appropriate answer to that question?
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ProudToBeBlueInRhody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 12:56 PM
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58. *SIGH*
The majority of voters in CT don't care. They love Clueless Joe LIEberman, and still buy into the idea that he's an "independant thinker" with 18 years of cred under his belt.

I tried to tell all of you that back in August, but no.....it was over, Lamont was in....The Lie would never run as an indy....bullshit. He's a politician who knew he could win the general with a mix of his Dems, rethugs and indys, so he ran. "His party" be damned.
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 12:57 PM
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59. How is Lamont's campaign doing in Connecticut?
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:01 PM
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60. This is big. Even from Lieberman it's a shocking statement.
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 01:02 PM by Clarkie1
He's no Democrat, that's for sure. Not in any meaningful sense of the word.
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BlueStater Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:15 PM
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63. He seems to think very little of his party
So why the hell is he still in it?

There may have been a time when I thought some of the attacks on Lieberman from this board were unfair. Not anymore. He's exposed himself as a greedy, selfish, power-hungry prick who could care less about the people he's supposed to be representing.
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BootinUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 01:17 PM
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64. Lamont needs to get this in an ad!
Thats the kind of thing that could wake up the sleepy head Dems.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:04 PM
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66. The reporter doesn't do to well with the statistics
Edited on Sun Oct-15-06 02:23 PM by krkaufman
    Democrats now are the smallest segment of his support. A recent poll shows his support comes from 67 percent of Republicans, 45 percent of unaffiliated voters and 35 percent of Democrats.

The above numbers don't mean Democrats are Lieberman's smallest block of support. One would have to know the total size of each affiliation in CT in order to translate the these percentages into actual numbers for Lieberman.

And, boy, does this passage tick me off...
    "I will not be confronted with that choice," Lieberman said. "I will organize with the Democrats. And I am 100 percent sure, not just as a matter of hope, of speculation, but as a matter of explicit conversations I've had that the Democratic caucus will give me my seniority."
I understand the Democrats wanting to gain control of the Senate, which would be jeopardized if they took away Lieberman's seniority and he went fully-Republican, but the guy is a weak link, detritus. He needs to be set aside for truly new and energized leaders.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:07 PM
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67. more pols need to be asked th obvious questions
Whoever got this one in deserves a medal though.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:30 PM
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69. Do they have this on video? That would be the only commercial
Lamont would need.

Show Joe saying that then cut to Lamont: Joe can't say whether he would like the Democrats to win or the party that backs war based on lies, erosion of 800 years of civil rights, epic corruption including tax breaks and deficits that mostly go to fill the pockets of the already wealthy while making it more expensive for middle class families to send their kids to college or go to the doctor? That shouldn't be a tough call Joe. It isn't for me. You can wait for Joe to be faxed his talking points from the White House or vote for me and other Democrats and take America back. It's time for Conneticut to put our boot in Joe's ass.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:31 PM
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70. bastard
is a traitor
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sce56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:51 PM
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72. Humm Wish I could make a Republican't Board for him!

Any suggestions?






http://republicant.org
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 02:58 PM
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73. President Lieberman...We've been attacked Sir! What should
we do first?
"Uh, I haven't thought about that enough to give an answer," Lieberman replies.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:00 PM
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74. Doh!


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NotGivingUp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:01 PM
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75. what an asshole!
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:42 PM
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77. My thoughts exactly!
Joe Lieberman is nothing but a giant ASSHOLE! :argh:
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zara Donating Member (470 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 03:07 PM
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76. Yes his response confirms for rabid Dems that he is a turncoat.
will it change anything for centrist dems in CN?
why they are still supporting him, beyond me. why this changes anything, unclear.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:12 PM
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86. Yes, it will change things among moderates and independents.
For two reasons: First, CT voters give Bush some of the lowest approval ratings in the nation. They desperately want a check on Bush's power. They will be shocked to hear that Lieberman doesn't share this desire. In fact, in the same issue of the Courant, another article says that a large majority of Unaffiliated voters care which party controls Congress. I guarantee you, most of these Unaffiliateds are not rooting for the Republicans.

Second, most CT voters oppose the war. Until now, they've given Lieberman a free pass on this because they think he at least stands up for his principles. Well...they say...he's wrong on this one. But other than that, he's okay...at least we can trust him to say what he believes...

You have to realize that over and over, Lieberman has said that he knows his position on Iraq is unpopular, but he hopes people respect him for having the courage to stick up for what he believes in. But this article totally undermines the "at least he has integrity" argument.

This is as huge as Lamont wants to make it.
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wiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:37 PM
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78. His money comes from Grover Norquist directed by Rove. Hello?
He's worse than Republican. He has a chosen one prophet complex. He wants to personally nuke Iran. How can anyone not see that? He's still gently licking Wolfowitz's arsehole. He's what a true Republican Conservative used to be in 1964. The real ones were always pretty socially liberal - just keep it out of sight and do whatever you want. But Lieberman is a wounded animal, a sick psychopath who will never admit that he lost the Democratic primary, or that people don't think he is a good Senator.
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texasleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 04:55 PM
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80. um, he's trying to get repubs and indies to vote for him
his number among Democrats is already there.

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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:29 PM
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81. LIEberman may win, but he lost all respect for himself and Conn.

He is a hack and will always be one. The Democrats should not give him a damn thing, and certainly not his seat in any commity based on when he was a Democrat.
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Imagevision Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 05:34 PM
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82. Really, Lamont needs to use this in an ad...!
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cushla_machree Donating Member (419 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:56 PM
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87. Are CT dems really voting for this loon?
Voting for lieberman is like voting for Bush. why would any independent or democrat do that?
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:07 PM
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89. He is playing up his experience, "clout" and (cough) integrity (cough)
I'm not joking. "I'm voting Joe because he had the clout & experience to save the sub base." Never mind that the person that led the team to save the sub base was the least experienced pol in the whole group - Governor Jodi Rell, on the job for only a year at the time.

And, the guy is about as consistent as a weather vane in the Windy City when it comes to taking a firm stand on an issue.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 06:25 AM
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102. Upthread you were asking for LTTE ideas
I think you've got your LTTE right here. Or two ideas: that Jodi Rell led the Save Our Base team, and that Lieberman flip flops all the time. I can help you research those flips, if you'd like. I found brazillions of them this weekend. (Remember that joke?)
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othermeans Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 08:57 PM
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88. I always thought it was funny that Andy Card had him on the short list
for the replacement of Rumsfeld. Elections are about the people not the candidate.
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:28 PM
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91. I've been hearing for the last two weeks how LIEberman has blown it
It doesn't seem to matter.
He remains ahead in the polls.
I'd like to see his idiotic statements translate into something substantive in terms of unseating the f**k!
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Awsi Dooger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 09:36 PM
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93. He only blows it if he turns off Republicans
That's what posters here don't seem to comprehend. All the gotchas are in regard to supposedly harming his standing among Democrats.

Completely irrelevant. He's already lost most of them to Lamont, but the 30 or 35% are steadfast, comfortable with Lieberman after 18 years. They are undoubtedly moderate or right leaning Democrats.

As long as Lieberman doesn't forfeit the overwhelming majority he maintains among registered Republicans, the numbers don't make sense in terms of Lamont coming from behind. This isn't a primary where you are persuading like-minded voters. Lamont wins only if Schlesinger somehow wrests at least 10% more Republicans from Lieberman.
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The Watchman Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:02 PM
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94. Sadly this isn't playing in the news...
I don't think Lieberman is in danger of losing his seat at this point, barring some major tide on election day. the same goes for Allen, he has held his lead in the polls all through out his racist scandels and unless he losses it between now and three weeks, I think he is safe in his seat.


Be Vigilant.
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femmedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:02 AM
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104. Krugman writes about it in today's Times, bless him.
And the AP covers it, too--although their story sucks. It leads with Lieberman saying he's going to keep his vote for Governor private, something which is much less controversial. It buries his unwillingness to support a Dem House in paragraph seven. Bastards.
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Polemicist Donating Member (299 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-15-06 11:14 PM
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95. Lieberman is a "flip-flopper"...
Lamont should tape a commercial of Lieberman debating himself, with pre-primary statements of what a strong Democrat he is, with post-primary statements of what a strong bi-partisan he is.

Schlesinger and Lamont are both going to wail on Lieberman tomorrow night in the televised debate. They need to co-ordinate their questioning and hit him from each direction with questions about which is he, a Democrat or a Republican. And watch him flip-flop and try to straddle both positions.

Then sum things up, by saying when someone (like Joe Lieberman) tries to stand for everything, they end up standing for nothing at all.
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 12:58 AM
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97. Joedus could become Secretary or Defense or even switch parties.
Ned Lamont should insist Lieberman go on the record with no equivocation.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 01:31 AM
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98. I wonder if Joe's Republican support will actually show up.
Edited on Mon Oct-16-06 01:32 AM by JackORoses
In these polls they are supporting Lieberman heavily and helping to give the appearance that he is in the lead.
But these polls are conducted in the comfort of their homes, with little effort required.

How many of these Republicans are actually going to get out on Election Day to go wait in line to vote for a Democrat?

At the voting booth, I think Lieberman's Republican safety net will become much less substantial.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 05:51 AM
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101. There are 3 "toss-up" House races in CT
Shays-Farrell and Simmons-Courtney and Johnson-Murphy.

That is 3/5 of the state that will likely be subjected to a big GOP GOTV effort.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 02:07 AM
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99. Lieberman is the epitome of the selfish “Me” party.
He will say (lie, misinterpret) anything in order to retain his accustomed power and privileges. He doesn’t care about the people of CT or anybody else in this country, except maybe his infatuation with being a rubber stamp for * policies. At least we know that Joe is capable of loving at least somebody else as much as he loves himself.

And yet it’s still a schizophrenic platform to parade as a true Democrat that lost his party’s nomination because of his rubber stamp of Republican agendas. And now we’re supposed to believe that he is an Independent, devoid of any party allegiance. I don’t think so.

His latest claim to hold on to his former Democratic Party chairman position is very telling. It’s “My mother, my sister.” (Chinatown) CT voters shouldn’t have to make an exception for that or vote for a Republican “cousin.”

Even if Joe pulls this out of his ass and wins, he will not be here for reelection in six years. He will not even be here for the people for the new term. It will all be about becoming the super lobbyist he will be once he decides to read the handwriting on the wall. In the meantime (this election), it’s all about pride.

He’s a fucking asshole just like *. I can’t imagine the benefits of their compost, but they would probably make a good blend. (I do not in any way suggest that any of the aforementioned should be composted before their time. I don’t even think it would be a good idea. It’s a metaphor that says they are both full of the same shit.)
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 04:01 AM
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100. dipskick!
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The Watchman Donating Member (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 07:43 AM
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103. My concern is the inverse-jeffords effect
Imagine if the dems sweep the big seats in TN and MO ( I still thing VA isn't really in play) and the dems have 51-49 senate lead... until Smokin Joe, driven by his convictions that the endless war is right and that the "cut and runners" will help Al-qauda establish a vacation home in Iraq, switches parties and gives big D. Cheney the tie breaker. its sort of a nightmare senario and a good reason to vote Lemont... but only for democrats..it might give the repubs more hope.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 08:43 AM
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106. LIEberman is a prime example of a corrupt politician in office too long.

He needs to go. I hope Conn people see that.
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sparerib Donating Member (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-16-06 10:17 AM
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107. Is he really that confused?

Let's face it, Joe is a bright guy. Could it be that Joe's overriding priority is what he views as being in Israel's long and short term best interests as opposed to being 100% loyal to America?

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