Andrew Sullivan - is it time to suggest to Andrew that he has been...

[bridgit]

cheer-leading for the wrong team all along; why didn't he see the republican party for what they have always been :shrug:

[UTUSN]

1. How come all of us here knew the phoniness of Shrub from 2000 on? n/t

[ourbluenation]

2. thank you! I have read his blog for years and been amazed how

he just didn't get it and I did, cuz he's a smart guy and I'm just, ya know, a regular gal. He said on his blog a few weeks ago that he's voting dem this year. He's a conservative indepenent. I think indies are weenies sometimes, but I'll take 'em.

[bridgit]

4. dunno friend, it seemed even to me at the time that the bfee is very...

big on not inviting people to their lunch table if you catch my drift = "bad mouth my boy and you won't get the prime invites to the A-list cocktail parties"...so people & 'journalists' picked popularity & embedded passes with a mech unit over what was right-thinking, and sadly whole parts of the rest are ill remembered history

[Swede]

3. Sounds like he was a genuine fiscal conservative.

Small government,reduce taxes,strong defense. Bush has destroyed all three.

[bridgit]

5. oh yeah, i feel for Andrew having seen his fiscal realm melted...

down & scattered before his eyes like so much mercury, as well the notion not all republicans were born in a log cabin like Lincoln

[The Backlash Cometh]

6. What did you expect? He's a foreigner.

The british would be smart enough not to take advice from an American pundit about matters that involved their own country, but America? No such smarts. By comparison, we're still a naive place where someone like Andrew Sullivan, an HIV positive gay man, who sought bareback services in the wanted ads, became a loud speaker for the gay-bashing Right. So, who's dysfunctional now?

[bridgit]

7. dad gum feriners anyhow, i do hear you though...

spinning the wheel has it's downsides too

[charlyvi]

13. Sullivan is a naturalized citizen. n/t

[The Backlash Cometh]

18. Oh, sure. Blend in with the natives. Nice move.

[Vinnie From Indy]

8. Sully is irrelevant

His past scribblings demonstrate clearly that reading his blog is a waste of time.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

9. Andrew came firmly out against for voting for the Shrub in 2004. It isn't

as if he's just changed his tune.

[WinkyDink]

10. 2004 was too late.

[Kingshakabobo]

16. These assholes are vampires........

.......all he needs is another half-way articulate slobbering idiot like reagan to start harping on the black welfare-queen myth - he and his ilk will be back in the saddle (or bare-back in his case) again cheer leading rethugs while selling out our country for the sake of being on the "tough-guy's" team.

[Jade Fox]

11. The last six years have exposed how many idiots....

there are passing themselves off as pundits. It's difficult for many (including myself) to get that just because they write/speak well and are on TV doesn't make them smart. It may just mean they're attentions hungry and celebrity wannabees. I'm bloody sick of the whole "pundit" phenomenon. What we need is facts, not opinions.

[bridgit]

15. me as well, that sounds right to me...

Restore America's Free Press Now!!! stop paying 'pundits' by the inch, they will soon wither and blow away imo

[Jade Fox]

17. I find myself wondering....

who it is that thinks we want all this useless punditry out here in TV land. It feels to me like punditry meets the need of the Press and Washington insiders to talk to each other. It has nothing to do with us mere citizens of the realm. It's a circle jerk, for lack of a less colorful metaphor.

Facts, not opinions!

[bridgit]

19. i think too much of it was 'born' from the OJ trial month after month...

people peering at their TV's 24/7/365/52, it had to give CEO's a clue as to AD dollar potential if nothing else ala Dan Abrams, VanSusteren et al; then came the republicans swearing on the steps of congress & to high heaven (Bob Dole, and i wish i had the tape but he started the ball rolling right there on the steps) that they would investigate Clinton every day of his presidency and you know what...they did just that, they said they would & they did and BAM! now we have Matthews

Howie Kurtz/spin cycle yada-yada-yada the list is too long...but i agree with you it is time to stop it all :patriot:

[Jade Fox]

22. So punditry is an offshoot....

of the "Tabloid-ization of the Press"--news as glorified gossip. I think you're right.

And it's no coincidence that the GOP can't win using the facts. No wonder the Republicans have thrived in the era of punditry and the "some people think" approach to news.

[bridgit]

23. 'hard copy' is one thing O'Really O'Reilly is most proud of...

i think it was 'hard copy', but frittering matters of vital import onto a bumper stickers nonetheless, it's the only way republicans can win anything if they were to tell voters what was really on their minds nobody, and i mean nobody but their fan & donor base would vote for them

[xchrom]

12. darling -- i think you are the GREATEST -- but andrew sullivan

is lower than worm shit.

a conservative -- any conservative -- would be harmful to the very things that by NATURE that whore should be concerned about -- equality{he knows equality isn't coming from the republick party}, aids funding{he supports the party that has been cutting aids funding here}, social security{andy doesn't care about old people in the north east who might freeze to death for lack of funding or poor people in new orleans} -- how about the infrastructure in the u.s. that has gone hell in the past 6 years? -- no conservative is committed to fixing america -- unless the money can go their corporate friends -- and crime? -- crime like murder and armed robbery that has gone up damn near every year since the republick party has been in charge.

he needs to be dicredited and his career destroyed -- he should suffer what other poor people with aids suffer in inner cities.

[bridgit]

14. poor Andrew, was he merely then playing to the cheapest seats, or...

like appeasing a schoolyard bully some hand them their lunch money over & again? cause i know some brilliant humanist republicans in the theater and all that that implies; also, yes, i know, it seems like aiding & abetting an oxymoron but it happens in my field; but even they did not buy bush's tripe is my point and so never voted for bush or his mania

he must have thought as evangelicals did, that for his/their support, bush would throw the doors open and reason would then ensue...wow! then came this way something wicked else it were sooner seen as entrenched bush family oligarchy & global corporatism x(

so that he has given it all away as it turns out, pity...pity the fool he has placed his substantial bet and lost it

[xchrom]

21. andrew couldn't make it as a liberal/progressive thinker because

he doesn't have the intellectual depth.

which is what i also think of humanist conservatives -- they simply lack a certain depth to really grasp history and and the human character.

as a conservative ''thinker'' andrew could capitalize on his uniqueness -- and certain conservatives would pay him handsomely
and he never had to work hard.

a perfect match.

[bridgit]

24. did he ever really try the 'liberal/progressive' thing, cause i've only

heard his shtick as it plays most recently these last few years i should say...i do agree though = a perfect match :thumbsup:

[ldf]

20. your question presupposes

that i would be willing to have ANY dialogue with andrew sullivan.

he is a true prostitute, going where he thinks the money is. he has seen the light, where as anne coulter hasn't. (yet. and in s/he/its case, possibly never...)

he is beyond irrelevant.

[bridgit]

25. poor Andrew...