Chris Matthews says Americans want bi-partisanship.

[aquart]

They must be getting scared that what we really want is revenge.

And ain't it funny how everyone looks to the Democrats for fair play and decency.

I'm not that decent. I want HEAVY jail time. If the Republicans go along with indicting their own and their bestest friends, I'm fine with bipartisanship. If not, I want heads on pikes in front of the White House.

I have very basic instincts.

[Nimrod2005]

1. ROFL...Brooks agreed, I was watching.

[mntleo2]

15. Tweety Doesn't Have A Clue what "America Wants"

...he is a mouthpiece for whatever wind is blowing whatever way. He is not credible because he always says what he *thinks* we might want to hear/"need" to hear as per Rove/or whatever propaganda he is told to spew. He is unable to think for himself and wants his job so bad he will sell the whole damn country down the tube so long as he is raking in the dough. My revelation moment came when I happened to tune in while he was ogling Bu$h's codpiece and Bu$h was strutting around the carrier deck at "Mission Accomplished". THAT is when I turned that idiot off for good.

My 2 cents

Cat In Seattle

[OwnedByFerrets]

16. Ditto!!

I have been shouting the same thing for months.

[rocktivity]

29. DING DING DING! Cat In Seattle, you're our grand prize winner!

...(Matthews)...was ogling Bu$h's codpiece and Bu$h was strutting around the carrier deck at "Mission Accomplished". THAT is when I turned that idiot off for good.

Yes, Cat, I remember it well.

:headbang:
rocknation

[blm]

2. Bi-partisanship led us to Bush2. Clinton protected BushInc by closing

the books and downplaying IranContra, BCCI, Iraqgate and CIA drugrunning.

Had those matters' open questions been pursued after Clinton took office, there would never be a Bush elected to office EVER AGAIN - and no 9-11 or Iraq war, either.

I want the next president to OPEN THE BOOKS on BushInc.

[Gabi Hayes]

50. are you as afraid as I am that we'll see a repeat of late 80s dem

complicity in maintaining the coverup?

I hope the public mindset, sans Reagan (and Hamilton, and that New England Senator whose name escapes me), will be different, but I can't help but feel conditioned to think that nothing is going to change

really really really hope I'm wrong.

then again, there's always Diebold, etal, so perhaps we're putting cart before horse?

[blm]

61. If a go-along type Dem gets in WH there WILL be a continuation of coverup

policy. That's why I support anti-corruption, open government Democrats.

[rzemanfl]

3. Well said, and my sentiments exactly, although the pike thing

is a little gross. Thought about impaling at all? If you're going for revenge, that's the ticket.

[Greybnk48]

4. basic instincts here too aquart

I'm ready for some good old fashioned payback. After which, THEY can turn the other cheek, forgive and forget, whatever.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. Can we have drawing and quartering...

With real, live Percherons, before the heads go on the Pike Poles?

I am something of a classicist in this regard. ;-)

[rzemanfl]

25. It would be better with horses that are barely up to the job. n/t

[aquart]

37. What's a Percheron?

I'm not against it, now that torture is okay, and the constitution is toilet paper. I just want to know what it is.

And, of course, first we have to declare them enemy combatants.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

66. A goddamned big and strong horse.

Just the thing for the task.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

6. Wow.. election hasn't even happened yet and it's all about the bipartisan-

ship.

What'll happen if Republicans "miraculously" maintain both majorities I wonder?

"Please disregard all previous comments about bipartisanship and resume bashing Democrats with 2 by 4's and calling them traitorous appeasers."

[AspenRose]

70. Ain't that the truth....

They're scared. They should be. That pendulum's about to come back and kick them square in the ass.

[montana500]

73. lol! nm

nm

[populistdriven]

7. with a Dem House and Bush WH they will not get bipartisanship

Bush is the most partisan president ever, the only hope is if enough Republicans in the House join the Democrats to oppose him. That may happen for a few months after they lose the election but once the Repukes start getting geared up for 08 forget about it. It will be horrible and the corporate-swill MSM will probably let them blame the Dems for it.

Any guesses as to who will be the minority leader?

[Cha]

56. That's cause bush is a neoCON dictator

wannabe..no time for Democracy and Democratic Principles.

[mrdmk]

8. Republicans, full speed ahead, ends justify the means

Democrats, be cool now, don't rock the boat and just watch this drive.

[Hugin]

9. I want NONPARTISANSHIP... Especially in international matters.

But, the Democrats aren't the partisans with the talking points who are causing
these disasters.

It's unchecked power... and who runs all three branches of government?

[TankLV]

10. Let me see if I have this right. The repukes are losing and will lose BIG

So, now that they will be OUT OF POWER, these filthy repukes are NOW calling for "bipartisanship"?!?!

OK, we'll have "bipartisanship" EXACTLY as you have practiced it during the past 10 years!

Have the Democrats hold CLOSED DOOR MEETINGS with NO repukes present or allowed...

BAR repukes from holding ANY meetings, taking away their meeting room if they manage to actually get one...

Only allow Democrats to create and view bills...

Allow repukes to only VOTE on these bills AT THE LAST MINUTE without ANY review...

Get one or maybe two repukes to vote with the Dems and claim "bipartisanship"...

[elocs]

24. Yeah, that will really make things better for the nation.

Then what do you think might happen when the Republicans retake power again? They have been just one-upping the Democrats for what they felt had happened for years to them when the Democrats were in power. This is not a bunch of kids on the playground. How about somebody being the adult and taking the high ground? How about if it is the Democrats? Doing that does not mean we have to be fools about it.

[WinkyDink]

43. Republicans first. They still have 23 days. Besides, Matthews says its

the Republicans who are "the grown-ups".

[Touchdown]

71. You have to wait for that. It's not the time.

If we "lose" then we'll know why.

If we win, and there are gracious concessions from GOP candidates, and they step down honorably, like Matthews told Gore to do in 2000. If the GOP wants to join us in investigating the crimes of this administration and prosecute the guilty, then we can talk of bi-partisanship.

What I think is going to happen? The Media will finally have 24 hour coverage on election fraud, as scores of Republicans parade on stage to claim that Democrats stole the election and the whole damn thing is invalid, and paint all Democrats as election stealing thieves. There will be talking points of just for these two years, of keeping the current makeup of congress until Jan 2009, rendering the election invalid. Against the law you say? So was Torture.

Bipartisanship? Want to talk about it now? This soon?

[pretzel4gore]

11. actually, i want tweety....

maybe not the hole thing, but something for the livingroom wall...a reminder to the kids to brush their teeth, eat their grits and to tell the goddam truth!

[bullimiami]

12. we dont want revenge. WE WANT JUSTICE.

[elocs]

18. "Justice" sounds so much more noble than "revenge".

I might buy that if the calls for "justice" were not so shrill and full of invective. If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and walks like a duck, it probably is a duck. What is being passed off as justice looks and sounds more like revenge. In real life, revenge is never as sweet as its anticipation. It works well in the movies though.

[SlavesandBulldozers]

33. "It's not revenge I'm after. It's a reckoning."

[elocs]

58. "Tombstone"--one of the best westerns ever. n/t

[SlavesandBulldozers]

72. good call. and I agree.

one of my all-time favorite movies.

[aquart]

38. Oh, we'll never get justice.

So I'll settle for utterly ruined lives and jailtime. Restitution.

Won't begin to match the Republican body count. And they won't commit suicide because they have no shame. But maybe a few will off some others and make it look like suicide.

Revenge is a dish best served cold and I am absolute ice with regard to these greedy, heartless, shortsighted monsters. Millions are going to die because they couldn't be bothered to do any real work, they were too busy stealing whatever wasn't nailed down.

And I don't mind a bit calling it revenge. I want them to feel fear.

They were fine with Americans begging for water on the streets of an American city. I'm fine with revenge.

[Richard Steele]

51. Well put.

"They were fine with Americans begging for water
on the streets of an American city. I'm fine with revenge.

[elocs]

59. What goes around comes around.

Will you be just as happy when the Republicans eventually get their revenge for the Democrats revenge? The Hatfields and the McCoys. Just keep it going if it makes you feel better because that is the important thing isn't it, that is what revenge is all about.

[bullimiami]

68. Im of the opinion that the criminals will probably have little or no

need to answer for their horrors. that is for the little people.

[A Simple Game]

49. Justice, Revenge, in this case it doesn't matter.

At least for me, they have the same hat size.

Just like at the stores, sometimes you get two for the price of one.

[aquart]

81. "Shrill," too? Dear me.

Liberals are routinely "shrill"......to Republicans.

[fooj]

13. Never fear...we're UNITERS not DIVIDERS...

:evilgrin:

What goes around comes around you treasonous, rat bastards.

[elocs]

14. What's right is right.

This is not like two kids fighting where if Johnny has hit me in the past, then it should be ok for me to hit him now. Bipartisanship means working together, not equally sharing power. If the Democrats hold power, then they control the agenda, but the Republicans can at least be included and listened to in governing. Revenge is great if you have a dictatorship and intend to hold power forever. Otherwise, when the Republicans win control again (and they will) payback will be a major bitch. Democrats need the swing votes from the independents in the middle who probably swing more towards the conservative side than the Democrat side. A perfect storm has come together to help bring down the Republicans, but that cannot always be depended to happen. So go for the bloodlust revenge now and the Democrat reign will be a short one.

[aquart]

40. Democratic reign, dear.

Quoting Limbaugh and the Republicans as to our name is just so..........inappropriate for this forum.

[elocs]

63. Thanks for the grammar lesson, I didn't realize so many were so touchy.

[spoony]

82. Less so than useless, frothing threads

fantasizing about a veritable American Reign of Terror.

[Name removed]

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[elocs]

60. Typical response here.

If somebody does not agree with your point of view you accuse them of being a freeper, a RWer, supporting Republicans. Well, my first presidential vote was for George McGovern in 1972 and I have voted for all Democrats ever since. Currently, I like my native son, Russ Feingold. Carry on children.
Oh, I forgot, X for you.

[marions ghost]

67. you give yourself away

(quote) "...when the Republicans win control again (and they will), payback will be a major bitch."

SO DEMOCRATS are NEVER supposed to treat the Rethugs how they were treated, for fear of Rethug "payback" in the future!?! That sure is a LOSING strategy. And a classic promotion of abiding by Rethug ground rules if I ever heard it.

:wtf:

Forget that. Proceed with Dem "payback." I'm sure we liberals will be slightly kinder and at least abide by the Geneva conventions. :evilgrin:

[aquart]

79. Don't have to. The Republicans passed the torture law.

[Nite Owl]

17. It's sort of like the corporate

media wanting to be 'fair' and give equal time to groups like the swiftboatliars. Why is that fair to give time to let people spew lies? We can't let them be bipartisan if it means letting them undo our constitution and do things that are detrimental to the people. What's right is right and they are just plain wrong. I don't want revenge I want accountablility. Will the other side be bipartisan about that?

[Jade Fox]

26. Exactly....

The whole idea of fairness (or bi-partisanship) has been degraded to allow outright lies and corruption, because Right-wing nuts in this country support those things.

[cui bono]

19. jail time for crooks, swindlers and treasoners IS fair and decent. n/t

[Zorra]

20. Bipartisanship only works when both sides have something to offer.

What do republicans bring to the table? Opposition to anything that will make the lives of most Americans better, corruption and lies, curtailing of rights and civil liberties, endless war, environmental destruction, etc ad nauseum.

Republicans only have negatives to offer. They never do anything that is honest, good, and decent.

Republicans are less than good for nothing.

[aquart]

42. Well said.

Should we work with those who are against all things good, decent, and constitutional? I think not.

[seabeyond]

21. he also told dems during ocnvention 2004 not allow to be too rough

on bush. and then praised the republicans for being so tough on dems, manly and what the people like to see

[stepnw1f]

22. Right After We Hold All you Crooks Accountable (nt)

[niyad]

23. sorry, tweet, I want NONPARTISANSHIP--MEANING that everything

is done for the good and welfare of the people, without regard to party labels. I want the same laws to apply to EVERYONE, regardless of how much money or power or influence they have. I wnat public SERVANTS who understand that it is their JOB to serve the WILL OF THE PEOPLE, NOT their own personal interests. How frigging hard is THAT to understand?

[aquart]

80. Please, be my Senator?

[rocktivity]

27. Any port in a storm, Tweety?

This sudden attack of "centrism" that you (and Tucker and Scarborough) have been having is just an attempt to hedge your bets in case the Dems succeed. Besides, it's not the Democrats who've been denying America bipartisanship--it's the Republicans!

:headbang:
rocknation

[enki23]

28. feh.

[Marr]

30. Mr. Matthews doesn't speak for this American.

I'm not interested in bipartisanship for it's own sake. Not at all.

I'm interested in prosecuting the corrupt politicians and businesses- war profiteers all- that've been feeding off of this government for years now. I want to see the Bush agenda of 'government by and for the wealthy' reversed, and then taken 10 or 20 yards in the opposite direction. Make them wish they'd never started pushing.

If some of these enablers are willing to assist in the effort then fine, I can live with that sort of bipartisanship.

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

31. The movement to impeach Nixon was bipartisan

I could get behind that kind of bipartisanship.

Otherwise, I'm for group castration of the GOP leadership, just for starters.
After that, the serious revenge could start.:evilgrin:

[philosophie_en_rose]

32. Sure. The Republicans can change their mind and support our efforts.

how's that for bi-partisanship?

[aquart]

44. It certainly fits their definition.

[Lefty48197]

34. Matthews is an idiot.

He's pretending to be a journalist, when in fact, he's a party shill. Chris, you are living a lie, and you are getting rich doing so. You should be ashamed of yourself. Go mount your head on a pike.

[ComerPerro]

35. bi-partisanship, to the Repigs, means that we cave in and do what they say

[UTUSN]

46. Exactly. Why doesn't Tweety ask SHRUB for bipartisanship? n/t

[leesa]

36. I want that word expunged from the dictionary. To me it's a euphamism

for bowing down to the Corporate Master

[sendero]

39. Screw that..

... I'm tired of the Repugs crying "bi partisanship" only when they are losing power.s


Fuck them. When we take the house and hopefully the senate, I hope the Dems treat the pukes exactly as they've been treated, shut out of committees, prelegislative machinations and everything else it is procedurally legal for us to cut them out of.

It's time these fuckers learn a lesson, what goes around comes around.

[Justice Is Comin]

78. That's the reply I wanted to write dammit.

:spank: I'll just add this, pass our legislation like they don't even exist. We got a lotta shit to fix.

[WinkyDink]

41. He's wrong. Gore won. Kerry likely won. Americans want DEMOCRATS.

Or at least, Democratic programs (SS, Medicare, G.I Bill, you-name-it).

[KharmaTrain]

45. The Straw Man Set Up...

Tweety's good at this game...

By saying "Americans want..." it's codeword for the GOOPers...at least when it comes out of his yap. His mindmeld is that since the Repugnicans are still in the majority that "that's what Americans want". He's hearing the same talking point that being spread by GOOPers who are starting to see the wave come crashing down on their heads that this may be a large Democratic majority about to walk into the House and what they find won't be very pretty.

It's like when you catch your kid lying about something he wants or did and goes to the "everyone else did it" defense. This is the variation which I expect will be a GOOP meme if they lose the House...which will be "Democrats told the voters they'd be more bi-partisan" and pull out this type of set-up quote as their "proof".

Seems like people are more interested in accountability and responsibility...let's see Tweety do a poll on that one. My bets are the percentage that wants the accountability is far greater than the "bi-partisanship".

[The Backlash Cometh]

47. And just a year ago, Tweety was saying that the country was going

conservative. So, from conservative, to bi-partisan. Wrong on both counts, Tweety. You can't have your way 100% of the time, so you're trying to bargain for 50% and that's not how the pendulum of balance works.

[stray cat]

48. I want a government for the people not for the party!

[Malikshah]

52. Grover Norquist-- Bipartisanship = Daterape.... OK Tweety

It's your turn to smile and think of empire.

Accountability-- Time for some Truth and Reconciliation Tribunals here folks.

[Vidar]

54. Couldn't agree more. Republicans only want bi-partisianship

when they're losing.

[Cha]

55. The republiCONs didn't come up

with "bi-partisian" ..they rolled out the Dictator card.

They don't have ANY good ideas, anyway, so I say let them take some time out.

And, oh, tweety? Go stick your finger in the wind somewhere.

[BlooInBloo]

57. Silliness. Jail time IS fairness & decency. They aren't opposed.

[SoCalDem]

62. Gee, we don't VOTE like we do..

Traditionally we swing back and forth between extremes..and every time we "achieve" bipartisanship, the media can't stop saying "obstructionist...do-nothing.."

[ArbustoBuster]

64. Chris Matthews is, of course either a liar or an imbecile.

The American people don't want bipartisanship. At this point, they want the Republicans boiled in oil.

His talk of bipartisanship is probably an attempt to set the stage for the state of affairs after the election, when the Democrats (I hope) are in charge of at least one house of Congress. The Republicans only talk about bipartisanship when they're in the minority.

[InsultComicDog]

65. When they're in power

...their definition of bipartisanship is giving you the right to agree with them...

[samsingh]

69. bipartisanship when we win - but

all repug when they do.

these people are disgusting.

[Generic Other]

74. The torches and pitchforks have been ready for 6 years

Time for the mobs to march.

[Zynx]

75. The Republican Party, as currently constituted, has no value.

In all honesty, none of its positions are things to be compromised with. They must simply be beaten.

[mitchum]

76. Fuck that...I want guillotines!

[aaronbees]

77. Justice isn't bi-partisan

Matthews plea for bi-partisanship is about as goofy as BushCo's claim he had a "mandate" after the last election.