Poppy "Dying Inside" - Bush JR Has Repudiated Everything Bush Sr Stood For

[kpete]

One proud Poppy ... but

W follies mar legacy, ex-Prez's aides gripe

BY THOMAS M. DEFRANK
DAILY NEWS WASHINGTON BUREAU CHIEF

..................

Indeed, one of the worst-kept secrets in Bush World is the dismay, in some cases disdain, harbored by many senior aides of the former President toward the administration of his son - 41 and 43, as many call them, political shorthand that refers to their numerical places in American presidential history.

For five years, the 41s have bit their collective tongues as, they complain, the 43s ignored their counsel. But as the war in Iraq has worsened and public support for the current administration has tanked, loyalists of the elder Bush have found it impossible to suppress their disillusionment - particularly their belief that many of 43's policies are a stick in the eye of his father.

"Forty-three has now repudiated everything 41 stands for, and still he won't say a word," a key member of the elder Bush alumni said. "Personally, I think he's dying inside."

.........

"By comparison, the old man looks better and better," a senior 41 hand said, with undisguised satisfaction.

http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/461894p-388588c.html

[bobbolink]

1. So, is this why Bill C. snuggles up to 41?

[Homer Wells]

31. The Big Dog is

the only intelligent son #41 (n)ever had!!

[Poiuyt]

2. By comparison, EVERYBODY looks better and better

[wryter2000]

8. No kidding

He makes Raygun look good, and I didn't think that was possible.

[aaronbees]

22. Scary, isn't it?

I remember thinking back on election night when BushCo "won" a second term that man, I lived through 8 years of Reagan, maybe we'll survive this next four years somehow. But really it's just gone from a disastrous presidency to something almost unimaginably horrific.

And as for Bush I, let me get out the little violins. :nopity:

[wryter2000]

33. I caught Bush I on the news a few weeks back

He and Clinton got some award, and of course, they interviewed him rather than Clinton. He seemed totally in love with the job his evil seed is doing. He gets the same from me. :nopity:

[senseandsensibility]

62. Yes

I have seen many interviews with poppy. He seems VERY satisfied with what his son is doing and very protective of him. He was never one for introspection to begin with. I don't think he's much smarter than his offspring anyway. Of course his advisors are appalled; they're the ones with the brains. Notice that if poppy is even slightly disappointed, he has never once mentioned it to these advisors.

[elehhhhna]

102. They are making money hand over fist. Don't buy that good cop shit.

[calimary]

37. Hell, he even makes Nixon look good.

And that's scraping about as far down to the bottom of the barrel as you can go.

[Katzenjammer]

96. He makes Nixon look EXCELLENT -- I'd vote for Tricky Dick in a heartbeat

over Smirky McCokespoon The World-Criminal

[noonwitch]

98. Hell, Reagan made Nixon look good, 43 makes Reagan look competent

I always thought that the Iran-Contra affair is the absolute worst thing a modern administration had done, until GWB came along with the Iraq war.

[PurpleChez]

11. By comparison, being ruled by the Magic 8 Ball looks better

Outlook hazy....

[jmowreader]

20. We ARE being ruled by the Magic 8 Ball!

Mine, however, does not have a "Bomb Them" side. Bush's does.

[midnight]

47. Aint that the truth.

Clinton is coming to Milwaukee on October 24th. He is campainging for Gov. Doyle and we hope that his presense will help keep this Dem in office.

[democraticinsurgent]

3. Disnfo

I think this is just disinfo. This is just the current step in the unfolding execution of the Neocon dream of which GHWB has been a shepherd since before the Bay of Pigs.

"41" is out of the loop again? Nah. He's just playing his usual role while the wheels of the Neocon machine continue to turn.

[Richard Steele]

12. I agree. When did 41 actually 'stand for' anything but acquiring power?

The guy was as liberal as a Clinton or a Kerry...
until the moment Reagan picked him as running mate,
then he REVERSED his entire ALLEGED belief system
overnight.

He's a wily, amoral machivellian bastard...
and none of us peons has EVER seen the real him.

[democraticinsurgent]

13. Well said. n/t

[Katzenjammer]

97. "The guy was as liberal as a Clinton or a Kerry" I.e., not at all

...unless you have a strange definition of 'liberal'. Calling any of those three 'liberal' is like the guy I met in the library one day who tried to tell me that Reagan was 'really a liberal'. uh-huh, sure. when was the last time you had your batteries checked?

[davidwparker]

38. Agreed.

[ComerPerro]

85. Exactly. Only clear difference I see between Cons and NeoCons

is that the NeoCons are the ones in power.

So when they piss America off, the Cons say, "No, see, they aren't 'true' conservatives, they are NeoConservative. They are liberal"

[The Gunslinger]

107. Exactly

This is 41's New World Order that the current administration is bringing to the world.

[keta11]

4. I read a funny one yesterday -

At the commissioning of the new aircraft carrier - USS George HW Bush, Dumbya complained that the proper name for the ship should be

USS Dad

[Stardust]

19. I heard he said "USS Barbara."

[Dudley_DUright]

59. That would be a more appropriate name for a battle ship

[madfloridian]

5. With all the powerful people saying that about 43...

you would think some of them would have spoken out before he took our country to the brink of destruction.

If they really cared or if they really had courage.

[Jane Eyre]

18. They did

Brent Scowcroft wrote an op-ed piece early on during the run-up to the Iraq War advising against it. It was widely viewed as being written more or less on behalf of the elder Bush.

[loyalsister]

88. You have to try to look at it from their POV

The standard political ettiquette for situations like that are to counsel behind the scenes and display a public sense of confidence that they will "do the right thing."
You have to remember that there is a long-standing sense of party loyalty and they felt an obligation to mentor W because he's the son of they guy they served under.
They also have their own ideas which differ and were probably using the "you attract more positive interaction and dialogue with honey" strategy.

[rsmith6621]

6. k&r

thanks

[glitch]

7. Better and better ONLY as a comparison. Don't think that's the compliment

this guy intends it to be.
Poppy needs to be worried about a lot more than his squandered "legacy" such as it was (see Atwater, Lee: deathbed lament).

[Ilsa]

77. I don't know if any of these criminals really believe

in a life after death or punishment for wrong-doings. But Atwater was trying to reach everyone whose lives he had ruined. I simply wouldn't risk a bet that any of these hoods would ever apologize, much less repent.

[glitch]

84. Yeah, me neither. Not evolved enough, and not interested in evolving.

Pretty pathetic when you are not even as evolved as Atwater. Not much repentence at Nuremburg either, that's more their level.

[Straight Shooter]

9. Putrid trees produce rotten acorns. n/t

[lovuian]

10. Bush dynasty has failed to rule the world

Its sad very sad
Its why monarchies fail and Emperors saw Rome fall

[elehhhhna]

103. They will NEVER recover from this shame. Never.

Which is fine by me.

[Drum]

14. Oedipus Rex! nt

[calimary]

40. Oedipus Wrecks (Everything).

I'd rather be reading it in Shakespeare than being forced to live it in the here and now.

[Lisa]

60. or "in Shakespeares", as 43 might put it!

Poppy as King Lear? Or the doddering Duncan, his hopes for a legacy exterminated by Dubya?

[eppur_se_muova]

63. Thanks for the Twain quote. Hadn't seen that one before. nt

[frogcycle]

15. Provides affirmation of what

has been evident from the beginning. What drives 43, this draft-dodging, "dry drunk" failed businessman, is some sort of deep-seated psychological (pathological?) hangups with his successful father and brother and obviously domineering mother. He has a world view warped by his psychoses, and was put into the most powerful job in the world by people who expected him to do as he was told. It might have worked but for 9/11, and then he got delusions of grandeur on top of (or because of) the rest of his problems, and is pretty much out of control. The parallels with George III are chilling

http://www.royal.gov.uk/output/Page111.asp

Excerpts:
George III is widely remembered for two things: losing the American colonies and going mad. This is far from the whole truth.

George's direct responsibility for the loss of the colonies is not great. He opposed their bid for independence to the end, but he did not develop the policies ... which led to war in 1775-76 ...

These policies were largely due to the financial burdens of garrisoning and administering the vast expansion of territory brought under the British Crown in America, the costs of a series of wars with France and Spain in North America, and the loans given to the East India Company (then responsible for administering India).

By the 1770s, and at a time when there was no income tax, the national debt required an annual revenue of £4 million to service it.

... George's strong defence of what he saw as the national interest and the prospect of long war with revolutionary France made him, if anything, more popular than before.

The American war, its political aftermath and family anxieties placed great strain on George in the 1780s. After serious bouts of illness in 1788-89 and again in 1801, George became permanently deranged in 1810.

[wryter2000]

35. Bingo

has been evident from the beginning. What drives 43, this draft-dodging, "dry drunk" failed businessman, is some sort of deep-seated psychological (pathological?) hangups with his successful father and brother and obviously domineering mother

I've been saying this ever since it became clear that this bastard was going to invade Iraq. The ultimate triumph over his powerful father and horrid mother was to get a second term. He knew Daddy was at his most popular after beating Saddam, so he was going to conquer him and do what daddy didn't -- take Baghdad.

Hundreds of thousands of people are dead because, in large part, he wanted to one-up his father. Sick, sick, sick.

[davidwparker]

41. Read Justin Frank's Bush on the Couch.

Click http://www.amazon.com/Bush-Couch-Inside-Mind-President/dp/0060736704">here.

[wryter2000]

46. I've been listening to him on Randi

Pretty persuasive, esp. when he's discussing Bush's insensitivity to the suffering of others. Or should I say, his enjoyment of the suffering of others?

[elehhhhna]

105. yes you should say enjoyment. there's still time to edit btw.

[elehhhhna]

104. spoiled bully fuckwit to cartwheeling purveyor of death.

quite a trajectory.

[tblue37]

70. He does as he is told, by Cheney, who is the actual president. (eom)

[Peace Patriot]

16. It must be hell when even your own father is one of the rats deserting

your sinking ship.

Such people.

I say we go back to George McGovern's idea of a cap on wealth.

Money corrupts. And absolute money corrupts absolutlely.

[davidwparker]

42. Link TV is running a bio of him narrated by Amy Goodman. It was

very good.

[suziedemocrat]

56. He's still got Barney though. n/t

[smirkymonkey]

65. Barney shot himself yesterday.

Poor thing.

[Prophet 451]

17. By comparison, NIXON was better n/t

[Arugula Latte]

28. Much, much better!

Under Nixon, the EPA was started. He was actually quite moderate compared to this gang of neocon psychopaths...

[frogcycle]

74. Hell Yes!

Nixon had plenty of redeeming qualities. This guy has none.

[Skidmore]

21. Junior is a real good argument for birth control.

Too bad they didn't figure that out before the act.

[Arugula Latte]

29. He's a good argument for abortion, too. n/t

[Clark2008]

39. Hell, Babs is a good argument for birth control.

Not that 41 is any prize, but he's a damn sight better looking a man than his wife is (I started to say "than his wife is a woman," but I'm not sure about that. :evilgrin: )

[Evoman]

55. Babs is an argument for paper bags.

Both the kind that hold puke, and the ones you put over other people heads.

[frogcycle]

78. Too bad 41 didn't

pull out as quickly as he did from Iraq

[neebob]

23. Let me know when he finishes the job. nt

[bridgit]

24. akin to gibberish, imo they're just trying to rehabilitate 'conservatism'..

trying to put some kindlier, gentler 'you don't want to kill and old man do ya' face on what has been an utter disaster for the nation & the world beyond thanks to the dark & mentally disturbed policies of conservatism neo or otherwise, like the old man has something to be proud about in the 1st place, and his boy has now-just fucked it all sideways...

global corporate/republican conservatism has been fucked up for years & years well though ghwb's presidency, he just had a nuclear aircraft carrier named after him (said to be the jewel of a president's remembrance) doesn't any fucking thing make him happy

[tularetom]

25. How many times have you seen that old fart and the hag

on Larry King sniveling about how angry it makes them when someone criticizes their evil spawn. I don't believe onee fucking word from the toothless mouth of poppy bush although some of his underlings may indeed be fuming about how the punk has fucked up what used to be a pretty good corporately ruled repub party by inviting the low class fundies into the tent and those poppy bush cronies are using foreign policy as an excuse to turn on him.

[madrchsod]

26. yes,daddy is looking like a statesman compared

his dolt of a son. the old man has baled the kid out his entire life and can not do it this time. i`m not sure if this is pay back but some how it just seems sad

[niyad]

27. and we are supposed to feel sorry for him?? those two are

RESPONSIBLE for the creature currently squatting in, and soiling, the oval office.

boooooohooooooohoooo NOT

[elehhhhna]

106. Laughing all the way to his Carlyle Board meetings and lunches

withthe BinLadens. FUCK EM ALL.

No mercy for traitors. NONE.

[zonkers]

30. I'd call * a weenie head but I don't want secret service pulling me out

of homeroom.

[AntiFascist]

32. I don't buy it....

the neoconservative movement began with Bush Sr., Gulf War I was a supreme demonstration of American superiority. They were just testing the waters back then, while acclimating the American people to large scale destruction and imperialistic "New World Order" domination. It has been a slow process of building greater and greater momentum. Junior certainly hasn't performed up to par, but the movement is by no means dead.

[Odin2005]

67. Poppy isn't a Neo-Con

If I rember a certain BBC documentary on the Neo-Cons and Islamists correctly Poppy actually pissed off the neocons by not going to Bagdad the last time around. Poppy was a forign policy realist, which is the total opposite of the Neo-Cons.

[AntiFascist]

71. No, not at all....

he may have been "realistic" at the time about not attacking Saddam directly, but he certainly laid the groundwork for beefing up America's "defenses" (more like offenses) and demonstrating the power of stealth bombers and the fruits of the Star Wars program (laser-guided bombs) which many had been critical of before then.

Poppy also started using the term: "New World Order" in his speeches; if that's not neoconservative then I don't know what is. Rumsfeld, Cheney and Wolfowitz came to power under Bush I and were more than eager for the opportunity under Bush II, once it presented itself. You should watch the documentaries "Hijacking Catastrophe" and "The Power of Nightmares" as they layout the context for neoconservatives taking control in government.

[amandabeech]

80. I agree with you. Poppy, for all his faults, was not and is not a

neocon. Neither Brent Scowcroft nor Colin Powell are neocons. Neocons are revolutionaries; they wanted a new Pearl Harbor and they got one somehow. The 41s were old-fashioned country-club republications who liked things the way they were. Instead of being revolutionaries, they were and are reactionaries.

The "New World Order" at that time did not have anything to do with installing American-style democracy in all the Islamic countries in the Middle East. Indeed, the 41 gang also favored an even-handed policy in the Arab-Israeli hostilities and peaceful, non-revolutionary relationships with all Middle Eastern countries, except, perhaps Iran, although I think that the 41s would've at least talked to the mullahs. The 43s idea of even-handed seems to be supporting whatever nutty idea Olmert or Netanyahu have and blowing everybody else up. You didn't hear anyone in the 41 defense department running around babbling about creative destruction.

What it did refer to was the end of the cold war and end of U.S.-Russian hostilities so severe that the world might be demolished by their nukes. If you remember '89 when the Berlin Wall came down, it was terrifically liberating for many who lived in dread of nuclear war with Russia or with some sort of repeat of the WWII Russian Front with the U.S., U.S. and France fighting with the West Germans. I myself was in a daze when I went home from work and saw those Easties taking sledge hammers to the Wall. Those were heady, revolutionary days. Of course, the 41s had a cold-war orientation that didn't die and they liked raping and pillaging the Russians for international capitalists. They loved doing business with Yeltsin.

[ComerPerro]

86. oh, sure, it just happens that all his friends are, though, right?

[frogcycle]

76. This slow-motion coup started well before that

Ike warned us succinctly:

Military-Industrial Complex Speech, Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

That address is one of the finest ever delivered to the American people, and it should be as a familiar in its entirety to every citizen as is the Gettysburg Address or the Preamble to the Constitution.

Excerpts:

Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance, or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.
...

This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the militaryindustrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.
...



Unfortunately, that Machine heard the address, and was alerted to the need to eliminate any indications of an "alert and knowledgeable citizenry" whenever possible. The systematic acquisition and gutting of our major news media is evidence of their efforts in that regard. That roughly half of the citizenry voted for this chimp not once but twice is evidence of their success.

see also

[Hubert Flottz]

34. Good for Poppy!

Do you think Poppy ever felt sorry for anyone but Poppy? I don't!

[ixion]

36. 'poppy' sucked, too

That whole 'limited government' and 'balanced' ME approach is a bunch of crap, IMO.

[BlooInBloo]

43. Fuck him. He voted for him.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

48. How do you know??? I wouldn't vote for him even if I were related.

[ProSense]

44. Republicans to blame:

The entire Bush family


President Bush's Cabinet

The Executive Office of the President


Rubber stamp Congress:

Alexander (R-TN)
Allard (R-CO)
Allen (R-VA)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burns (R-MT)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Coleman (R-MN)
Collins (R-ME)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Craig (R-ID)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
DeWine (R-OH)
Dole (R-NC)
Domenici (R-NM)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Frist (R-TN)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hagel (R-NE)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Kyl (R-AZ)
Lott (R-MS)
Lugar (R-IN)
Martinez (R-FL)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Murkowski (R-AK)
Roberts (R-KS)
Santorum (R-PA)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Smith (R-OR)
Snowe (R-ME)
Specter (R-PA)
Stevens (R-AK)
Sununu (R-NH)
Talent (R-MO)
Thomas (R-WY)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Warner (R-VA)

Voters: A solid 30% of Republican voters

Too many others to list!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. Poppy's best buddies Scowcroft & Eagleberger have written anti-w

articles. It is said that these were basically ok'd if not even written by Poppy himself. At the very least - both men would have never written them without poppy saying ok.

[Contrary1]

49. Which reminds me...

We haven't been seeing to much of Old Battle Axe Babs of late. Have they had
her committed so she won't open her mouth and "help" Sonny some more?

Wish they would let her out some. Always good for a laugh.

[GCP]

50. The war in Iraq, IMO, is partially a result of the infamous mano-v-mano

talk/fight 41 had with 43 back when 43 was tearing up the local bars and roads.

Poppy probably whooped Jr's ass up and down the block. Junior never forgot. He's an idiot, sure, but he never forgot - and we all get to take part in the big intra-family FU.

[amandabeech]

81. Is that the trash-can smashing incident?

43 has been a disaster all his life. Poppy won't say anything bad against 43 (maybe because Babs would run him through the cuisinart if he did), but I think Poppy knows that he screwed upand never should have let 43 get to the White House even if he really won't admit it to himself.

[Cleita]

51. Oh yeah, like Poppy was such a great President.

Although at least he didn't upset our standing in the world like his stupid son has.

[Imagevision]

52. Poppy will rescue jr. with Baker's Iraq fact finding suggestions

[bklyncowgirl]

57. Chimp will be sent to the woodshed.

Oh the humiliation. On the other hand he's used to it. Poppy's been cleaning up after him his entire life--why should this be any different.

[amandabeech]

82. But then 41 would have to get Cheney and Rummie to do what

Baker says. I think that Cheney and Rummie will help 41 ignore Baker and 43. C&R are too committed to current policy to admit that they were wrong. They'll play 43 like a violin on this. Who's to stop them?

[Rex]

53. HAHAHA! History will remember them as 41 & 43, NOT as POTUS.

I love it! I will NEVER call them President, just 41 and 43. Numbers that screwed up America, not personalities.

Poppy might not like his sons choices, but they have a lot in common. Both are huge failures and deserve to be remembered as 41 and 43*.


*Not elected, installed in 2000.

[malaise]

54. Pity Poppy sent his closest buddies

to steal Florida in 2000. Both are evil and history will not absolve either.

[bridgit]

61. yeah, like a 7-10 split at a cheesy bowling alley...

[RedEarth]

58. Tweety likes to have Defrank on his show....I'd like to see him come

on next week and talk about this.

[European Socialist]

64. Remember Willie Horton--41 was a rotter too!!

[Coventina]

66. Good. Poopy brought this upon us. I'm glad he's "dying inside".

And yes, I typed "Poopy" on purpose.

FWIW, I think Poopy "died inside" a long time ago. Otherwise, he would not have done the evil things that he did.

[elehhhhna]

108. He ain't lookin so hot on the outside lately, either.

[leftofthedial]

68. george the first was the worst president in modern history

until king george was installed by the junta after the coup of 2000

[amandabeech]

83. Were you alive for 8 years of Raygun?

Remember, the ketchup on the school kids' hamburger is also a serving of vegetables. Did you know that trees are the largest producers of air pollution? How about voo-doo economics? Were you awake when we bombed Libya?

At least that moron 41 increased the rates of existing taxes (remember "read my lips, no NEW taxes") to help cover the then record-setting deficits a bit and didn't get us into an absolutely ruinous war.

I'm not saying that I like 41. My most politically active year was 1992. Nonetheless, I think that Raygun was much worse, perhaps only because he was around for 8 instead of 4 years and had more time to do bad things.

[leftofthedial]

94. raygun slept through at least 6 of his 8 years

The agenda of his administration was purely evil. Until king george, raygun was my least favorite president in US history, an honor I thought Nixon would never relinquish. raygun's was the first neocon administration and they committed horrific crimes. But george the first was the operative behind many of those crimes and was an utter waste of skin as president.

[amandabeech]

95. Bush I, Bush II and Raygun were all horrible.

The only thing that we disagree on is the relative placement of these three in the absolute bottom group of 20th century presidents.

[elehhhhna]

110. "waste of skin" lol

[elehhhhna]

109. 41 COINED the term "voodoo economics'! Sick joke or WHAT?

[KoKo]

69. Thanks...have bookmarked to read later! n/t

[KG]

72. oh, please. they're both neo-con scum bags

their methods may be different, but rest assured, their goals are the same.

[progressoid]

73. Yeah, like the old man had some great fucking legacy to uphold.

Gimme a break.

[WCGreen]

90. LOL!!!!!

[leesa]

75. Nope. Dubya is just fulfilling what the old fart wanted. He's just bolder

about his crimes.

[Nikia]

79. I doubt it

There are enough of Bush I s people close enough to Bush II that if Bush I wanted to change his son's actions, he could. Bush I is the power behind this whole thing.
Although it would seem that Bush I wouldn't be supportive of some of the things that Bush II has done, the fact that he hasn't pulled the rug out from under him suggests that he is supportive of him.

[Dover]

87. The rotten apple never falls far from the tree.....or bush.

This just seems like more propaganda. Bush Sr. was in the thick of Iran Contra...and is likely one of the 'men behind the curtain' still. There is some human gene missing from that lineage....

[calimary]

89. I love that remark - "...he's dying inside."

Karma's a bitch, isn't it?

And so is Justice. I find it rather deliciously ironic that big george thinks (or his friends think - on his behalf) that his legacy is being crapped on by little george. That he may be dying inside. Awwwww... boo hoo.

I hope this old bastard NEVER gets a decent night's sleep again. I wish him an eternity gobbling antacids - that have no effect. I hope his conscience bothers him forever more, for what he has to concede in the depths of his bowels that junior has done - not just to his own selfish little "legacy," but to this entire nation, AND the rest of the world. But then again, I'm assuming he does have a conscience. And we haven't yet been able to establish that as a fact.

[donheld]

91. If Poppy had any integrity he'd speak out before his son destroys the

Nation. Let him die inside, he's helping the country die inside.

[lonestarnot]

92. Good. Death on the inside, now will that kill the outside too?

Good riddens I say. :applause:

[cosmicdot]

93. the Carlyle Group had more than $12 billion capital

under management as of December 2000 ...

today, TCG has $44.3 billion under management


Poppy's laughing all the way to the bank, and probably packing for Paraguay.


http://www.publicintegrity.org/pns/report.aspx?aid=424

http://www.publicintegrity.org/pns/list.aspx?act=top

[Marr]

99. Moral of the story: Bush isn't really a Republican. Vote Republican.

Bullshit. Neocons are just conservatives without the window dressing. They use overt war rather than funding foreign terrorists to do the fighting, as Reagan/Bush did throughout South America. Neocons *brag* about putting the tax burden on the shoulders of the middle class, rather than coating it with lots of "trickle down" sugar. They come right out and say that sending your job overseas is good for their economy, rather than trying to cover it up. They openly push for a dictatorial "Unitary Executive" rather than doing it subtly throught he courts.

They are the SAME.

[shance]

100. What a lie. He's the one who's profited from his son's presidency.

n/t

[4_TN_TITANS]

101. Let him 'die inside'....

while he faces the truth that giving your child everything they want produces BAD CHILDREN. Not one iota of sympathy from me....

[Gabi Hayes]

111. inside, outside, let the dying proceed:

[elehhhhna]

112. Lemme pose one question to you reality-based folk:

MOST PEOPLE, upon realizing they had not only spawned Diablo, but also INFLICTED the stupid, deadly Diablo on the ENTIRE world, would do WHAT, exactly?


Have a friend write a Letter to the Editor? Yeah. Okay.