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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:26 PM
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You may already be eating clones...
FDA Is Set To Approve Milk, Meat From Clones

By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 17, 2006; A01

Three years after the Food and Drug Administration first hinted that it might permit the sale of milk and meat from cloned animals, prompting public reactions that ranged from curiosity to disgust, the agency is poised to endorse marketing of the mass-produced animals for public consumption.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/16/AR2006101601337_pf.html

In sum, a 2004 NAS report states, “Since there is no evidence that food from cloned animals poses any increased health risk to the consumer, it could be concluded that food from cloned animals should be approved for consumption. However, the paucity of evidence in the literature on this topic makes it impossible to provide scientific evidence to support this position.”

Consumer Attitudes
One aspect of clones that is clear is that people do not want to eat them. A 2004 Gallup poll found that 64% of Americans think that cloning animals is “morally wrong.” In October 2005, a poll conducted for the Pew Initiative found that 66% of adults are “uncomfortable” or “strongly uncomfortable” with animal cloning. In fact, in six major polls, a majority of people in each survey were against animal cloning. In a recent industry survey, 62% of consumers said they would be “very unlikely” or “somewhat unlikely” to buy animal products from cloned animals. The International Dairy Foods Association is so concerned with potential consumer backlash, they do not want the voluntary FDA ban on cloned animals lifted. None of the survey results bode well for the consumption of cloned animals, except for the fact that such meat and milk products don’t need to be labeled.

Cloned animals and their offspring may be for sale on the marketplace already, making people unwitting consumers of meat and milk they want to avoid. Consumers should have the opportunity to make informed choices about their food, which necessitates labeling meat and milk from clones and clones’ offspring. And prior to these animals being fed to the public, there should be public discussions about the related ethical issues, since there is such widespread opposition to this technology.

Who Will Benefit?
These polls make clear that consumers do not want meat or milk from cloned animals. So who does? It is likely that the agribusiness and biotech companies will benefit from this expensive technology, as they could either directly profit off the sale of cloned animals and their offspring, or better afford such a purchase. Moreover, if, for example, cloned dairy cows are able to produce higher quantities of milk, the price of milk could fall even lower, which would harm struggling farmers. Finally, this technology pushes the industrialization of agriculture even further, moving us farther from diversified, sustainable farming.
http://www.foodandwaterwatch.org/food/foodsafety/labeling-1/cloned-animals-on-the-dinner-plate


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There are gene expression problems in at least some cloned animals. In mice, researchers studied more than 10,000 liver and placental cells of cloned mice, and found that about 4% of the genes function abnormally in these cells of clones. These abnormal functions are not related to direct mutations, but instead to abnormal expression of otherwise normal genes. The cloning in this study was from stem cells, rather than adult somatic cells, and so it is not yet clear if similar problems occur from cloning of adult cattle.


2. Repeated, serial cloning of the same clonal family will result in the accumulation of deleterious mutations through time, as well as increase the risk for gene expression problems. Each clonal generation will be expected to have more of these genetic errors than the previous generation. Each time an animal is cloned (and indeed, every time any cell is replicated), a few errors are introduced into the replicated genome. The effects are generally considered to be small each generation, but they result in some of the problems noted above. However, it is clear that repeated, serial cloning is not advisable. The clones will not improve from generation to generation. If cloning were perfect, the best that could be expected is that the 2nd generation clones would be as good (from a genetic standpoint) as the original animal, or the 1st generation clone. However, since mutations (including nucleotide substitutions, and deletions of regions such as the telomeres) do occur each time a clone is made, a 1st generation clone is expected to be genetically more fit than a 2nd (or subsequent) generation clone.
http://home.austin.rr.com/doublehelix/Cloning.html
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:30 PM
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1. Another potential issue with eating clones.. Allergies
Allergenicity and Hypersensitivity

Food allergies are adverse reactions to a proteins or glycoprotein in food that elicits a heightened response of the immune system and some people. Among several types of immunological responses causing food allergies, the most common type of reaction is mediated by allergenic-specific immunoglobulin E (IgE) antibodies. IgE-mediated reactions are known as acute hypersensitivity reactions because symptoms occur within minutes to several hours after ingestion of the allergenic food. Food allergies also include the late hypersensitivity reactions whose mechanisms are less clear. These include cell-mediated reactions where the onset of symptoms occur is more than eight hours after ingestion of the allergenic food. In the United States, the prevalence of food allergies is 1.5 percent of the general population, and 5 percent of children under three years of age (Sampson, 1997). The prevalence of these types of reactions in incidence remains uncertain, but cases have been well documented (FAO, 2001). burn outgrow their food allergies (Sampson, 1997; Taylor et al., 1999). There are eight foods or food groups that account for more than 90 percent of the food allergies in United States. These include cow's milk, eggs, fish, crustaceans, peanuts, soybeans, tree nuts, and weak (Taylor et al., 1999). However, over 160 other foods have been identified as causing food allergies (Hefle et al., 1996).

Genetic engineering of animals intended for use as food will involve the expression of new proteins in animals; hence the safety, including the potential allergenicity, of the newly-introduced proteins will have to be assessed. While most known allergens are proteins, only a few of the innumerable proteins found in foods are allergenic under typical circumstances of exposure (Taylor and Hefle Hefle, 2001). Well the common sources of food allergens have been identified and characterized, many others are less known and poorly understood. If the new proteins originates from a known allergenic source or its amino acid sequence is similar to that of a known allergens, the protein can be tested to determine whether it causes reaction with sera from individuals with known food allergies. However, the potential allergenicity of the protein can be reasonably assessed only when the proteins is known to trigger an immune response insensitive subjects. By contrast, the potential allergenicity of a protein of unknown allergenicity cannot be easily predicted, as no immunosera of allergic subjects are available (Mendieta et al., 1997). A more difficult issue arises when a new proteins comes from a source that is not historically a human food. Assessing the potential allergenicity of transferred proteins remains one of the most difficult aspects in the overall safety assessment for transgenic foods.

http://www.mindfully.org/GE/GE4/Animal-Biotechnology-Concerns-NRC-C4Aug02.htm
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:33 PM
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2. If it freaks you out so much, stop eating factory farmed meat & milk
It's unhealthy shit and no one needs to eat it.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:53 PM
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5. Ok
I guess I should go buy a cow.Make sure it hasn't been tinkered with.I guess I'd just have to "trust" the rancher I would buy it from, than how to raise a cow on a half acre.

Because the"organic" stuff is not safe anymore,nor is it organic.And it's not cheap.

http://wwwwww.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/organic.html

I didn't make the industry this way,but it's that way,and it's killing us all.I wish I didn't have to eat or drink at all.But I got to. Somethings gonna kill me. So fuck it.

I am not putting these threads up to spook people but to RAISE awareness of what is being done to the food supply .
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:57 PM
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7. Actually, you don't need to consume animal products at all.
You definitely can limit the amount of things you consume that are "killing you."
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:22 PM
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8. Actually I do have to,
My body can't get the protein out of soy.Beans come out undigested,I am allergic to most beans.My body is UNABLE to be vegetarian. My body lacks certain things like genetics and the intrinsic factor..other peoples body's have, that help them get protein from soy and such,I tried once to go veg against my doctors wishes and I got so sick I thought I was gonna die. So,not everyone can be vegetarian.Thats the reality I live with.

And if you are one of these religious vegetarians,who think everyone should be vegetarian or they are morally deficient or something...I don't give a rats ass about your advise.
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HarukaTheTrophyWife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:30 PM
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11. I'm not one of those religious vegetarians.
Nor am I a vegetarian. I'm actually a pescarian. I don't see why you have to be so hateful towards religious vegetarians though.

And the truth is, you are a rarity. Most people do not need animal products to survive. Those who do, should not support factory farming.
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:49 PM
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17. Well
I don't have a choice. I don't have alot of MONEY to be that choosy..But I still gotta eat.So I buy what I can afford. That's reality. 579 a month disability does NOT give you a huge food budget.
I speak out against factory farming tho.Why else would I bother putting up threads like this?
I am hostile to religious vegetarians because they PUSH and PUSH and pressure and think they are holier than everyone who eats meat.They deny that ANYONE could have a body that refuses to be vegetarian,And that is well stupid. And the Dali Lama eats fish..He does it for HEALTH REASONS.But a religious vegetarian just skirts over that.
It's the holier than thou,purity myth arrogance that pisses me off.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:33 PM
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3. clones
This is a complete circus......send in the clones
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:37 PM
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4. I know that this is a serious thread, but
it's just calling out for a copy-cat thread that would get me in real trouble. I'm in a punny mood today.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 04:56 PM
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6. Everybody stop eating blackberries!
They're apomictic! They're all clones of the original plant!

Oh, what hath God wrought! The horror! The horror!
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:24 PM
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9. Ummm
If you wanna "make fun" of it go right ahead, if you don't want to QUESTION ,explore and know what's going on with the food supply feel free to pooh pooh.Others might feel differently than YOU.

I put this up to INFORM.

GeeZus.
Now eat your damn blackberries.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:31 PM
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12. What happens when all the cattle are clones of the same cow
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 05:32 PM by hedgehog
and a virus comes along that that cow is susceptible to? I don't care if it's safe to eat or not. Haven't these people ever heard the warning against putting all your eggs in one basket?


OK - I've resisted long enough - you may already be eating clowns!

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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:44 PM
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16. It will wipe them out
Edited on Tue Oct-17-06 05:44 PM by undergroundpanther
Like The Bananas,are dying out.

Anyways you can only clone maybe 30 times over.. by then the DNA is fucked up beyond belief.The DNA is scrambled a little each time a clone is made it gets worse until it breaks down totally.
And Don't pretend that during the copy making that proteins won't get mangled with growth signals and such and mutate.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:52 PM
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19. It doesn't work that way. If you Xerox a document, the first copy will be
quite good. If you continue to make copies from the PREVIOUS copy, quality degrades quickly but if you use the ORIGINAL, each copy is equal to the first one. Do we really need to get all hysterical about this?
:eyes:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:26 PM
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10. I like my clones with a little clotted cream and lemon curd.
*urp*

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MrCoffee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:33 PM
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13. oh goodie, i had the best steak last night...
would love to have it again!
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:37 PM
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14. Soylent Pink Is Clones! n/t
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:43 PM
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15. I do not like green eggs and clones
"One aspect of clones that is clear is that people do not want to eat them."

What part of soylent green don't they understand?
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-17-06 05:49 PM
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18. I never understood that.
Somehow it is un-American for people to decide for themselves what they want to eat. Eat all the trans fats and corn syrup you want, but heaven and the FDA forbid you decide for yourself whether or not you want to eat irradiated meat, milk with BGH, genetically modified grains or clones!
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