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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:49 AM
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"In a time of war we need to support our president".
Unless of course a Democrat becomes president in 08 and declares the war over, then the exact same republican assholes who made the above statement so many times till we got sick of hearing it will change their little tune.

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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:52 AM
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1. And in the 90s, the right claimed that the military wouldn't go out
Edited on Wed Oct-18-06 09:53 AM by The Backlash Cometh
on a limb for Clinton. Makes you kind of wonder if everything you learned about the U.S. government was ever really true.
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SpreadItAround Donating Member (265 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:53 AM
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2. It's things like this that get me so frustrated with Bush supporters
It's the blind faith to him, the belief that he has and can do no wrong and if you don't support him, you support terrorism.

So frustrating.
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:55 AM
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3. Still waiting for that declaration of war!!
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:55 AM
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4. "Unless it directly conflicts with an impeachment attempt
for a blow*ob ..."
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lcordero2 Donating Member (832 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:55 AM
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5. Only Congress has the right to declare WAR
War wasn't declared so what is happening is wastefulness.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:56 AM
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6. WHAT war?
Congress hasn't declared war. They can't delegate that power to anyone else, either. So, as far as I'm concerned, any "war" we're in is undeclared.

Nyah.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:58 AM
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7. That's when a President should be questioned the most
The idea that once at war everyone shuts up and pulls behind the President is blind loyalty passed off as patriotism...wilfully ignorant nationalism couched in phrases such as "for the good of the country"



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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:07 AM
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23. Does anyone remember the widespread contempt for Bush as of
9/10/01? His entire summer program was something really lame and stupid. I keep coming up with no child left behind, but I think it was even lamer. The only reason Bush survived is that too many were in shock and couldn't rouse themselves to stop him in time. It didn't help that too many Democratic office holders decided that the safe thing to do was to go along.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:36 AM
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27. Yes. I remember how bad it was going for Bush
prior to September 11, 2001

But "shock" isn't an acceptable excuse for enabling a wanna be tyrant..neither is playing it safe.

And I realize you're not suggesting it is

I'm just saying no one in America has a good excuse for supporting Bush in any way on that day...or any day after it.... Or any day before it for that matter.

I was afraid so I supported Bush?

Piss poor excuse and one that gets you exactly what you deserve.

So-called patriotism?

Sad excuse. Pathetic even. Requires no thought just blind allegiance to the people in charge.


Playing it safe?

Unethical, downright criminal, excuse. For it shut down checks and balance and enabled Bush and his agenda.







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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:25 PM
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29. Distracted is perhaps a better word
There were people all excited at work discussing how we were going to go to war. Business had been bad and they thought going to war would increase orders!They were such jerks i never paid any attention to them anyways. I was too busy trying to get my head around all the deaths and feeling sorry for the families directly involved. it wasn't until the National Memorial Service ended with the singing of the Battle Hymn of the republic that I realized what was going on.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 09:59 AM
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8. "In a time of war" gripes me to no end!
WHEN did Congress declare war, and which country was it declared upon? What, not a country but "extremists", "terrorists", "Islamofascists" you say?...as defined by whom?

And while we're at it, just exactly how will we know that we've WON this "War"? Will there be a ceremony for signing surrender papers with details? Who's going to be signing this surrender certificate?

This "War" is perpetual! We will forever be "in a time of war"!!! Why people fail to grasp this is simply beyond me.

:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

/offrant
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Tesha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:37 AM
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19. "When the last Democrat, err, *TERRORIST* is dead!"
> just exactly how will we know that we've WON this "War"?

"When the last Democrat, err, *TERRORIST* is dead!"

Tesha
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:01 AM
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9. What war?
You know I hate that everybody says we are at war, but Congress hasn't declared war and unlike Korea I don't even know of a police action. Bush loves to call himself a "war time president" but without a declaration of war that is plain wrong. I don't remember presidents during the cold war calling themselves "wartime presidents".
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:01 AM
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10. Can someone tell Lieberman to shut up!
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:30 AM
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17. the democratic primary voters of CT did and he didn't listen
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:03 AM
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11. The biggest Flip Flop in the history of Mankind will occur in Jan, 2009
When a Democrat becomes President and all of a sudden Executive Power must be limitted, investigated, questioned, challenged, etc...
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:04 AM
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12. Where is that written?
"In a time of war we need to support our president". wtf?

That meme has been hammered into the heads of the masses continuously since 9/11, but seriously,
where the fuck is it written that the president must be supported in a time of war?

Everyone universally, viscerally, automatically takes that statement to be axiomatic. Why is this?
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Homer Wells Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:33 AM
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25. These same people saying that
are also quite vocal in calling His Royal Lowness our Commander in Chief.
He sure as hell is not my Commander in Chief. He is my employee, noting more, and I plan on firing him in '08.
:mad: :grr:
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:06 AM
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13. I always support whoever the president is

when they are defending the constitution, when they are protecting us, when they are using government to promote situations where we as a people can thrive economically, when they provide moral leadership toward social justice here and through our foreign policy. I support the president, and whoever is doing these thing regardless of party, WHEN they do these things, time of war or not.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:10 AM
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14. one word
BULLSHIT!!!!!!
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filer Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:23 AM
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15. Let me chime in.
What war? All this "war" talk is subterfuge. The "war" being waged is against our liberty.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:31 AM
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18. Oh, you mean the war against Saudi Arabia?
You know, the country whose citizens attacked targets in the US five years ago? Oh, wait... we went to war against somebody else.

Oh, maybe it's the War on Terror! That's kinda like the War on Drugs, or maybe the War on Poverty.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:25 AM
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16. Why is his jock strap not working?
snark!!!

:rofl:
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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:39 AM
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20. " . . . over the town square . . upside down . . ."
I HATE when they say that. I don't have to do shit except give the Pentagon my money and die. He isn't over there with bullseye camo, baking in the heat and watching humanity getting blown apart. So fuck Caligula and the court he rode in on.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 10:51 AM
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21. Looks like a recipe for starting a war every time the
President's numbers drop. THAT would never happen!

Oh, wait............

Nevermind.
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Karmageddon Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:03 AM
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22. Not according to Trent Lott, or Teddy Roosevelt (both republicans)
"I can support the troops without supporting the president"
Trent Lott (referring to Clinton)


"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
Theodore Roosevelt
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Liberal_Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:26 AM
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24. Who Was The Military Hero For Conservatives...
during the Clinton years?

Pfc. Michael New, a soldier who disobeyed orders to serve as a UN peacekeeper(in Bosnia, I believe) and was drummed out of the military. And conservatives just LOVED this guy. They even wanted other soldiers to follow his example.

Repukes are such hypocritical weasels.

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hayu_lol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:36 AM
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26. I'm glad someone else referred to Trent Lott's remark...
the one he used preaching to the choir during the CONTRACT ON AMERICA and Clinton years.
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Parche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 11:46 AM
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28. war
War against constipated conservatives
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 12:34 PM
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30. There is NO WAR! There is carnage, but no official declaration of war.
This time around, the "enemy" has no name, no face (other than brown, as usual), no country.

If this were really a war, how come the American public have not been asked to sacrifice or ration one single thing? :grr:
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Philosoraptor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-18-06 08:25 PM
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