Hey trolling freeps - what Amendment do you think they'll go after next?

[Skip Intro]

That's right - your precious Second. They'll never be in complete control as long as armed resistance is even remotely possible, and they'll never trust entirely your whorish, sheepish obedience. Once they get the green light to start taking apart our Constitution, they won't stop until they achieve total and complete power.

Fall in line behind the idea of an all-powerful ruler. Marvel at the Jesus imagery and the red, white and blue waterfall, and continue to prop up this treasonous regime - just like the good little starry-eyed willfully led drones you've been so far.

And know this, when they're thru the front lines of this democracy, where true patriots are amassing to support the rule of law and the foundation of this nation - when and if they break thru that defense, you stupid fucks don't stand a chance.

You'd best say goodbye to betsy the shotgun now, because it won't be long if they aren't stopped. And your whimpers then will matter not.

[waiting for hope]

1. Let them take the guns....

then when the civil war starts in this country, less freeps will be armed. :evilgrin:

[PWRinNY]

2. That's right - here's why

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. - Thomas Jefferson

[DemInDistress]

3. scumbags are willing to trade LIBERTY for fake safety

they deserve neither...

[stepnw1f]

5. You Said It

and so did Jefferson, I think?

[PWRinNY]

6. Franklin nt

[hogwyld]

8. Actually Ben Franklin

"Those who would surrender liberty for peace, deserve neither"

[Toots]

27. Not peace ,,security

:shrug:

[hogwyld]

47. You're right!

My Bad. I couldn't remember if it was peace or security. Oh well, gettin' old!

[raysr]

4. I've been saying the same

thing since the monkey was selected, wait till they come after the gun nuts guns! Don't think they won't you stupid fucks!

[Kansas Wyatt]

7. Never mind the precedent being set by Dubya that would allow -

Any anti-gun librul President to do the very same thing, in the name of 'Dubya did it first.'

Freeps don't know Dubya is opening Pandora's Box for them, when the Constitution is violated and ignored.

[DemInDistress]

10. except this scumbag bush doesnt expect to give up the

whitehouse EVER.. I see it coming a new attack on america,followed by martial law and a suspension of the bill of rights no elections until the war on terror is over...welcome to 1984 20 yrs. later..

[Kansas Wyatt]

11. Okay, there went my attempt

To get trolling freeps to be worried about, what if.... a liberal anti-gun President got into power after Bush declared the a President can ignore the Constitution.

Wetfart Freeper: 'Bush would enable some pinko lib to take mu guns, unless we throw him out to stop it.'

[havocmom]

26. And an economy so bad nobody will be able to buy brass, powder, lead

[SammyWinstonJack]

9. I think they will go after the 2nd amendment, They took guns away from the

Iraqis, didn't they? If the dumbass rank and file repugs think these Neocons will allow them to keep their guns, I think they are delusional. But hey, carry on!

[me b zola]

15. They took them away from everybody in New Orleans

They are delusional if they think that they will be allowed to keep their firearms because they are conservative (or whatever it is that they are now).

[SammyWinstonJack]

16. Well yes! Indeed these repugs are delusional if they think this , their

Government will only go after us "libruls" :rofl: They have a rude awakening coming! :evilgrin:

[SammyWinstonJack]

21. Well yes indeed! delusional too be sure! But hey! "Proud to be American!"

:rofl: or :applause: or whatever? Stop the World, I want to get off!

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

31. Exactly...one my favorite RW "wedge" issue. Fed gvmt did nothing,

it was up to the NRA to offer a legal challenge.

There's already a precedent in place. Ask any true second amendment supporter about this and watch them squirm. MKJ

[Toots]

29. No they did not take guns from Iraqis, hence a lot of our problems

They did however take guns from Americans in New Orleans..

[tnlefty]

12. I've been seriously considering trying to buy a gun.

I don't have an arrest record, not even a speeding ticket, so if I were turned down I wonder what the reason would be?!!

[waiting for hope]

14. Maybe because you

are on "the list"

[tnlefty]

17. That would be the ONLY thing that I would think of

if I were turned down.

[waiting for hope]

18. Scary, huh?

But I would really like to be on that list myself...:patriot:

[jody]

13. Dem Platform says "We will protect Americans' Second Amendment right

to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, as President Bush proposed and failed to do."

See http://www.democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf

By equating the Second Amendment with freeps, you automatically classify members of the Democratic Party as freeps.

[Dave Reynolds]

19. A common problem here.

I am a hunter and gun owner, so therefore have been variously labelled as "neanderthal", "moron", "redneck freeper", and one poster actually suggested that I would be tempted to eat infants.

I have learned to ignore the "anti" factions on both sides of center.

[Skip Intro]

20. Gun use for self-defense is different from gun use for hunting

most of the time.

Most poeple I've known that hunt do so recreationally, not out of need, and not for lack of food.

I don't want to hijack my own thread, but gun rights, and I do believe people have a right to own a gun, and hunting rights are not the same thing.

Hunting is a completely different subject, imho.

[jody]

22. Why do you equate pro RKBA with freepers? You demean my Dem Party?

:thumbsdown: to you!

[Skip Intro]

38. What???

I addressed the thread to "lurking freeps" and then stated my belief that Americans have a right to bear arms, yet you accuse me of just the opposite.

btw, its my Dem Party too.

[jody]

44. Your OP clearly equated those who support the 2nd with freepers. FYI

recent DU polls show about 66% of DU respondents support the 2nd.

I and pro-RKBA supporters by your inference are freepers.

Perhaps you should consider more carefully the meaning of your statements before you criticize all those who support the Second Amendment.

[Skip Intro]

48. I addressed "trolling freeps" in the subject line. Clearly. Btw -

A reading of this thread shows that most DUers responding got what I was saying, without elaboration.

And why do you seem intent on excluding me from "pro-RKBA" supporters, even though I've stated repeatedly, and clearly, and to you, in fact, that I do indeed support the 2nd, and the RKBA. Why do that? I never criticized "all who support the Second Amendment." Why do you say I did?

Perhaps you should re-read the op, and my replies to you, reading what I actually said, rather than what you want me to have said.

Although you're certainly free to believe what you wish, regardless of the facts.

[jody]

51. Nonetheless I resent your equating pro-RKBA supporters with freepers.

[Skip Intro]

52. I don't think I did. I surely didn't intend to. I'll leave it at that.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

53. I think the freeps associate the 2nd amendment with themselves.

They don't believe that Dems are willing to protect their rights under that amendment.

I know that I, personally, am very concerned about the abridgment of this amendment, especially since the attempt to repeal posse comitas after Katrina. MKJ

[ComerPerro]

23. They don't care, as long as they can keep their guns

[ScreamingMeemie]

24. Ummm, thanks, but the 2nd ammendment is precious to me as well.

General stereotyping of gun owners really, I mean REALLY PISSES ME OFF. We can argue with freepers in another manner.

Thanks.

[Hubert Flottz]

34. "I mean REALLY PISSES ME OFF"

It pissed off enough people(democrats)in 2000, that Al Gore lost enough votes to make the election totals close enough for bush to steal the election.

It pisses me off too because I've owned guns all my life and have NEVER committed a crime with one! YES I'm a lifelong democrat. Yes, my dad, who was also a lifelong democrat, gave me my first firearm when I was 10 years old. Yes we hunted and went out and shot at targets together and had fun. Yes if you don't like it you can kiss my democratic old ass!

I have thought, ALL Along, that the republicans were the people who would in the end, outlaw guns! They are the outlaws! Notice how they laugh at the rule of law and wipe their asses on the bill of rights. NOTICE ALSO...that they lie every time they open their mouths. * TRUST THEM...BULLSHIT!

The GOP simply uses the gun control issue as a wedge issue. They have for years! Once they have the power they are after, they will not need to pretend any longer.

[Skip Intro]

42. It wasn't a general stereotype of gun owners -

If that's the way it read, then maybe I need to practice my writing skills. I thought that by addressing "lurking freeps" it was clear that I was addressing lurking freeps.

The point being - they're - the freeps - are all rah rah behind whatever bush wants to do - trashing parts of the Constitution no problem. We know better. We see what he's doing but they simply wave the flag and look the other way. By going straight for one of the amendments they tend to rally around, I was hoping I might shake one or two of them enough to wake them.

Because I used RKBA to get their attention, and to ponder what may be next after the fouth amendment is flushed, it in no way means that I am lumping gun owners with freeps.

I happen to share the belief that Americans have a right to keep and bear arms, and I've said as much in other posts in this thread.

Thanks.

[ScreamingMeemie]

45. Sorry...I hadn't had my coffee at that point.

:hi:

[Skip Intro]

46. gotcha...I guess I could've been clearer

a few beers in when I wrote that last night anyway.

Its just I work with a freep who is as rabidly pro-bush as ever, even with the trashing of the fourth, and I found a line with him that was uncrossable, even for bush - and that was the second.

anyway, you're not so grumpy

:hi:

[Cats Against Frist]

25. What the freepers don't know is that all along

they've been played by the right-wing ivory tower. It has been said that all wars take place between intellectuals, so who do they think the "liberal elite" and all those "commie college profs" are fighting against? Why, the "conservative elite," the stink-tanker Ph.Ds, conservative religious philosophers, the intellectual neoconservatives, and their money-men backers.

I think that's the sickest joke of all, on the numbfucks at FR and all the wild-eyed Bush supporters. Their handlers KNOW they don't know SHIT about the Constitution, and can revise the details of the Enlightenment, and the tenets of classical liberalism, as well. While these people are masturbating to their curio cabinets filled with Precious Moments statues and obsessing over the next al-Qaeda member that's going to pop up from the bottom of their McFlurry, "history's actors," are figuring out ways to turn their own rootless postmodern ennui, into a tidy little fascist "magical thinking," narrative for the fearful freeps.

And if freeps are checking out this thread: for the record, I'm a libertarian, you fuckers, and after hearing all your nancypants whining at Clinton for Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc., I find it A-1 FUCKING HILARIOUS that you whiny little wuss flowers have rolled over like bitches, so that your Connecticut "Cowboy" can jack off your little pee pee, while you beg him and pray to your magic toaster waffle in the sky to save you from the bogeyman.

I can understand that after 15 years of indoctrination with hate radio, and a long-suffered hope in superstitious baloney that it would be kind of hard to come out of the idiot coma, but, now, anyone who hasn't jumped ship after seeing the hypocrisy, the complete lack of ethics, the corruption, the desire for a total state, the authoritarianism and the disregard of the Constitution is, as far as I'm concerned, as good as batshit insane, and a traitor to the philosophies that founded this nation. From the second the ink was dry on the Constitution, the Whigs and the Tories and the Republicans have been trying to figure out how to strip it all away, and return to the "rightful" heirs -- the king, the church, the nobles -- the spoils of human kind.

They're doing a great job, and they have plenty of knuckledragging freepers to lead the charge.

Freeptards, they WILL take your guns. They already hate you, think you're a fucking idiot, and expect you to act out your limitations, until they have a total state. I hate you too, and have great contempt at your ignornace and ability to swallow a magical reality that makes little sense, and has no history behind it. The difference between me, however, and your ivory-tower right-wing masters is that I don't feel the need to lie to you to keep you stupid. I also don't believe that I have a "truth" to which you should adhere. This country isn't about one person's truth -- it's about plurality and justice. Try to remember that as you lick the assholes of the authoritarians who will eventually pull the plug on you, as well.

[mwb970]

28. The gun nuts were worried about Clinton, but Bush is a hero.

Remember the black helicopters? The encoded highway signs? Remember how Clinton was going to declare martial law because of Y2K? Remember western wackos hiding in caves with their guns for weeks?

The right wing nuts always seem to believe things that are false and refuse to see things that are true. Why can't they see that their Boy Hero is the true threat to American freedom, including their freedom to possess and use guns? They use up so much energy slamming Michael Moore and Barbra Streisand that they fail to feel the cold wind of fascism. But it's a-blowin', friends. It's a-blowin'.

[Mutley]

30. They won't blame that on the administration... they'll blame that on us.

The Dems are the supposed party against guns. That is a stereotype the Dems need to dispel, and very soon.

[MadHound]

32. Sorry, but I don't think that they will

First off, I believe that they realize that this is the one move that they could do that would turn what's left of their base against them, and they still need that 35% of the population to make their rigged elections look legit.

Second of all, they probably don't care that people have a bunch of guns. Who's going to win in a battle where one side is armed with mostly civilian guns, and the other side has tanks, artillery, and air power?

[mwb970]

33. Alito says machine guns are OK for the public, though. (n/t)

[Hubert Flottz]

35. Republicans will say anything it takes to WIN!

Then they will do as they please. See Chief Justice Robert's trickery for a good fresh example.

[MadHound]

36. Let's see here

Machine gun vs Stealth Bomber, who wins? Machine gun vs Abrams tank, who wins? Machine gun vs long range artillery, who wins? Machine gun up against a US soldier, also with machine gun, body armor, and skilled training, who wins?

I'm sure that the government has already taken into account that there a few folks out there with machine guns or possibly a few other nasty things. But when you've got air, artillery, and a trained force on your side vs militia units, they know that they will have the upper hand and will most likely win. Our only hope at that point will be to do what the Vietnamese. Iraqis and others have done, wage a guerilla war, and become "terrorists" ourselves.

[mwb970]

37. And they think there's an insurgency in IRAQ! Watch us. (n/t)

[Ikonoklast]

40. You made an assumption that

the military would fire on their countrymen if ordered.

There would be plenty of servicemen willing do disobey orders or desert before killing fellow citizens.
Not all of them agree with this insane administration.

[MadHound]

41. True that,

But I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of servicemen would indeed shoot on their fellow countrymen. Kent State proved this one.

In addition, there's that little matter of brainwashing that each and every service person gets called basic training. It's pretty damned effective at overcoming mankind's natural reluctance to kill his fellow man, including his fellow countryman.

[pinniped]

39. Raygun and that POS* after him sure banned some good stuff.

These punks still roll over and support these repuke dingbats.

Hey, repukes are for the Second Amendment when you have selective memories.

[Cha]

43. That's right! They say they don't

care if they're Spied on but "they will take my gun from my cold dead hands"..charlton heston

freeptoids aren't the only ones with guns, though..so what's a dictator to do?

[Rocknrule]

49. That should get their attention

since according to these freaks, the 2nd Amendment is the only one that matters :mad:

[AtomicKitten]

50. ha, ha, ha.

Now they will feel the sting of getting what they wished for.