Some of them aren't even bothering to bash Bush anymore (as if it goes without saying that they're done with him), but are bashing his supporters instead.
WTF? I thought freepers were his supporters. Apparently, though, any Bush supporters left at FR are too intimidated to even try to publicly stand up for him anymore.
They don't seem too fond of the GOP in general, either.
1 posted on 10/18/2006 8:33:55 AM PDT by Dr. Marten
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The data storage capabilities required to do this would dwarf anything else out there.
Why not require phone companies to record all conversations, too, just in case the FBI wants to listen to them?
2 posted on 10/18/2006 8:39:08 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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This is one thing that is so egregious that I really would vote out a republican that supported it. Whatever happened to getting a search warrant?3 posted on 10/18/2006 8:43:33 AM PDT by JamesP81 (The answer always lies with more freedom; not less)
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""Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms,""
I'm surprised he didn't find a way to fold the War on Some Drugs into terror and predation.
The unholy trio usually appear in tandem when freedom is under GOP attack.4 posted on 10/18/2006 8:46:10 AM PDT by gcruse (
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I've been expecting this for a long time based on "protecting the children" or protecting the media companies from music and movie sharing. It will be quite interesting to see the push for ISPs to record everything balanced against the growth of wireless technologies and hacking.
5 posted on 10/18/2006 8:47:10 AM PDT by rhombus
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If you don't have anything to hide, you've got nothing to fear.
BTW, has anyone seen my jackboots?
6 posted on 10/18/2006 8:49:09 AM PDT by kenth (There are three kinds of people in the world. Those who can count, and those who can't.)
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Same here.
The analogy of a frog in boiling water comes to mind.
The US is slowly becoming a police state under the guise of fighting "terrorism" and protecting children.
7 posted on 10/18/2006 8:50:25 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (
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Soon all the Bush apologists will rally around this story proclaiming him an absolute genius.8 posted on 10/18/2006 8:51:46 AM PDT by Fighting Irish (Béagán agus a rá go maith)
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Why not require phone companies to record all conversations, too, just in case the FBI wants to listen to them?
Wait, don't forget we have to tell the postal service to make photocopies of all the paper snail mail too, just in case...
9 posted on 10/18/2006 8:52:10 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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"Terrorists coordinate their plans cloaked in the anonymity of the Internet, as do violent sexual predators prowling chat rooms," Mueller said in a speech at the International Association of Chiefs of Police conference in Boston. z
Hands up!!!! WHO DIDN'T KNOW that when we get our first female president that the Madam President would have powers to track militias and VRWC "terrorists" over the inter net???
HOLD YOUR HANDS HIGH< PLEASE!!!
10 posted on 10/18/2006 8:52:56 AM PDT by 100-Fold_Return (They Took My Saddle in Houston, Broke My Leg in Santa Fe, Lost Wife + Girlfriend)
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Yeah, I want somebody else to do my job, too. Perhaps the FBI could take care of it if they succeed in offloading their own work to ISPs.
11 posted on 10/18/2006 8:54:03 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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Robert Mueller is an idiot. I would vote against anyone that supports this agenda. Too bad its so close to the election to get a handle on where this is going.
12 posted on 10/18/2006 8:55:14 AM PDT by e_castillo
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Hmmmm, wonder if the ISPers are already tracking? Anyone remember Foley????
13 posted on 10/18/2006 8:55:33 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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innocent until proven guilty?
14 posted on 10/18/2006 8:56:04 AM PDT by Frapster (Don't mind me - I'm distracted by the pretty lights.)
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The US is slowly becoming a police state under the guise of fighting "terrorism" and protecting children.
Unfortunately that's what the donks claim too. The difference is it's all black and white for them and the Constitution (which they don't respect) IS a suicide pact.
15 posted on 10/18/2006 8:57:43 AM PDT by rhombus
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This is the FBI camel getting its nose under the tent in the guise of the war on terror and to help the children.
Maybe Mueller should go back to trying to get democrats elected by harrassing Republican Candidates.
16 posted on 10/18/2006 8:58:00 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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Whatever happened to getting a search warrant?
What are you, some kind of commie? Patriots have no need for search warrants, only guilty people do. /sarc
17 posted on 10/18/2006 8:58:18 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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Can't they just get all the data from the NSA?
18 posted on 10/18/2006 8:58:35 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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Everyone should be required to wear a GPS ankle bracelet too, 24/7, to keep track of where they go. Sheesh!
19 posted on 10/18/2006 8:59:02 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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The data storage capabilities required to do this would dwarf anything else out there.
From the article:
Privacy groups and industry groups have generally opposed mandatory data retention, with some companies such as Comcast voluntarily agreeing to retain user data for longer periods.
Hell, the data storage capabilities required to maintain a list of reasons why Comcast sucks would dwarf anything else out there. The list just got a bit longer....
20 posted on 10/18/2006 8:59:20 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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FBI Director Robert Mueller on Tuesday called on Internet service providers to record their customers' online activities, a move that anticipates a fierce debate over privacy and law enforcement in Washington next year.
F@#$ the FBI director and what he wants. I didn't pay an ISP to be spied on.
21 posted on 10/18/2006 8:59:27 AM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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The data storage capabilities required to do this would dwarf anything else out there.
Why not require phone companies to record all conversations, too, just in case the FBI wants to listen to them?
Sheesh! This is beginning to sound like the ultra-paranoid efforts of the Stasi!
22 posted on 10/18/2006 9:00:39 AM PDT by TChris (The United Nations is suffering from delusions of relevance.)
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DeGette sought to allay concerns raised by privacy advocates about the approach, adding, "I'm concerned about privacy considerations, too, especially in light of what I believe to be illegal surveillance of telephone records by this administration."
Why are the Republicans (Ed Whitfield, chairman of the House Energy and Commerce oversight and investigations subcommittee, and Joe Barton, chairman of the full committee) giving this moon bat the time of day?
23 posted on 10/18/2006 9:02:00 AM PDT by steve-b (It's hard to be religious when certain people don't get struck by lightning.)
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In all fairness, this whole snooping issues predates Mueller, but this does not in any way excuse him from this latest absurdity.
The FBI already have "Magic lantern" as a follow up to long existing snooping programs... Eschelon has been ever popular outside the US, not to mention Carnivore as well....
24 posted on 10/18/2006 9:10:32 AM PDT by USF (I see your Jihad and raise you a Crusade ™ © ®)
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From a technical standpoint, doable, but I believe very expensive.
You would need some sort of passive tap system at all switch uplink ports to capture and redirect traffic to a storage server. Switch hardware and software will also dictate whether you can do ingress, as well as egress captures of traffic.
Or, you could rely on software to do port mirroring of traffic to a storage server connected to a port on the switch.
The storage requirements would be enormous.
A note that this is already the law in higher ed (e.g. CALEA). See http://www.educause.edu/Browse/645?PARENT_ID=698 for more info.
25 posted on 10/18/2006 9:10:50 AM PDT by Fury
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It's definitely doable. All they have to do is follow the Chinese model (obviously the testing ground for what was to come here).
26 posted on 10/18/2006 9:13:29 AM PDT by Dr. Marten (http://thehorsesmouth.blog-city.com)
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>>>This is one thing that is so egregious that I really would vote out a republican that supported it. Whatever happened to getting a search warrant?>>>
All they have to do is say "Terrorist" and people just go 'Ok, please protect me'.
Stupid people.
27 posted on 10/18/2006 9:24:37 AM PDT by sandbar
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Whatever happened to getting a search warrant?
Search warrants are so pre-9/11.
28 posted on 10/18/2006 9:29:42 AM PDT by drjimmy
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Say NO to Herr Gonzales' obsession with porn. Let him stop investigating us, Lewis Libby and Curt Weldon, and start arresting executives who hire illegal aliens by the hundreds. Start defending the damn border. Oh, I forgot, Herr Gonzales gets his order from Mexico City. Never mind.
29 posted on 10/18/2006 9:32:17 AM PDT by montag813
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Just the government trying to control the internet. I won't vote for anyone who tries to backdoor this kind of crap in under the guise of protecting children. That's a democrat ploy.
30 posted on 10/18/2006 9:38:32 AM PDT by mysterio
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Everyone should be required to wear a GPS ankle bracelet too, 24/7, to keep track of where they go. Sheesh!
Didn't you know? You've already got one if you have a cell phone clipped on your belt.
31 posted on 10/18/2006 9:45:07 AM PDT by seowulf
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If the left gets back into power they will use this to find people who say "macaca" and get them fired and prosecuted for "hate crimes".
I am not fooling.
32 posted on 10/18/2006 9:47:51 AM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Extreme Leftism: fascism, communism, nazism. Take your pick.)
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Maybe Glorious Leader in DC needs to remove plank from own eyes. Like the Department of Homeland Deputy Press Secretary who used the Internet to pick up young girls. The GOP and Bush Lackeys are quickly becoming as bad or worse than the Dems. What next speaking ill of the Crown or political disagreement results in your ISP records being examined?
These sorry lying power grabbing JB thugs. All they have to do is write down the ISP of the site and go from there. If they want to find illicit material then they should put two chimps on a computer typing in random URL's and they'll likely find it within an hour. This is all about controlling our lives. The government leadership could care less about da children.
It's a sad day when the GOP is now the enabling party for the likes of these. Good old fashioned police work by surfing the net and acting on it fine. That has been proved to work. Keeping records on law abiding citizens for future usage? NO! Jay Edgar Hoover would be so proud of the FBI Director and Little Caesar our USAG.
33 posted on 10/18/2006 9:51:59 AM PDT by cva66snipe (If it was wrong for Clinton why do some support it for Bush? Party over nation destroys the nation.)
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The analogy of a frog in boiling water comes to mind.
Also, the genie out of the bottle.
This is a very bad idea.
34 posted on 10/18/2006 9:58:33 AM PDT by Pete
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Can't they just get all the data from the NSA?
LOL!
35 posted on 10/18/2006 10:32:50 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Muslims reserve the right to kill anyone who says otherwise.)
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They already do.
36 posted on 10/18/2006 12:53:59 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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