Did you hear? The USA troops will overthrow Al-Maliki in Iraq and

[in_cog_ni_to]

install our OWN leader? One of OUR choosing. That's just ONE of Baker's suggestions.

The other one is to divide Iraq into 3 Tribal Regions and each will govern itself.

This was on C-SPAN this morning on Washington Journal.

Al-Maliki was elected to the transitional National Assembly in January 2005

He was ELECTED and WE are going to overthrow him???? Don'tcha just love the idiot-in-chief's DEMOCRACY?

[Phredicles]

1. Kiss the "purple ink-stained fingers" talking point goodbye.

[calimary]

2. Yeah, what about all those purple fingers?

Sounds like it's just The Finger at this point.

[grytpype]

3. Yeah, Baker might recommend giving up on the democracy idea.

That's the "Stability First" option.

Bush will never agree obviously, since he would have to face his failure.

Then there's the "Withdraw and Contain" option, which is essentially the Murtha/Kerry/Feingold plan.

Again, Bush will never agree to that. But at least it will give the Dems plenty of political cover to push the Murtha/Kerry/Feingold plan.

[mazzarro]

4. Guess it's Chalabi time to be herr ruler! -- n/t

[Ian David]

5. But... but... but...

What about all those purple fingers?



http://coleman.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=DataPipes.ViewImage&Image_id=345&ImageStoreType_id=1

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Purple Finger? What purple finger? I didn't see any purple finger.

:crazy:

They are really between a rock and a hard place and I'm just LOVIN' it!

[tridim]

19. Oh come on! That's violet, not purple..

The Iraqis should have referred to a pantone chart to verify the hue before their elections. Unfortunately it's too late, King Bush has spoken and the election results are invalidated.

[butterfly77]

24. I wonder where is she now...

[acmavm]

6. What is this thing with militarily overthowing Iraqi leaders that

we don't like?

Does this one have WMDs too?

[Gman]

7. But I thought Iraqi's love democracy

this must be a new version of democracy that we will see here soon.

[hippiechick]

9. Sure, that's how they did it last time!

That's how we got Saddam in the first place!

Pretty much guarantees that we'll have to go "liberate" Iraq again sometime in the future when there's a budget surplus for the Military Industrial Complex to embezzle from us.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Not only in Iraq, but Iran, Guatemala, Panama, Indonesia, Colombia,

tried in Venezuela....we have spread our "Democracy" all over the globe...whether it was wanted or not.

[Norquist Nemesis]

10. Freedom's on the march!

We must free the Iraqi people from the ...oh, wait! We did.

[Hubert Flottz]

11. Where have all the flowers gone????

The ones the "Liberated" Iraqis were going to shower the USA with?

Sometimes the best laid plans of chimps and chickenshits, turn to quicksand...

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. And all those HUGS!

:grouphug::grouphug::grouphug::grouphug:

[ktowntennesseedem]

14. Hey, Iraq HAD an election, that's all that matters.

Who says anyone has to ABIDE by it?!?! (Just like we do things in America!)

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. That's what it looks like, doesn't it?

Well, they had their election, but WE don't like who they elected so, we'll just install who WE want, but at least they HAD an election! What more could you ask for? Who said the system had to be a fair one?

They surely aren't fair here either.

[ktowntennesseedem]

25. Judging by our example from the last six years,

I'd say Iraq's got this whole democracy thing down pretty good!

[Solly Mack]

16. Just further proof that it's all been one big lie

The big lie - then a lot of other lies to back up the big lie - then more lies on top of that...ever-changing lies to fit the circumstances.

It's all a part of a manufactured reality

to include the so-called "independent" Iraqi group - nothing, absolutely nothing, coming from Baker or Hamilton is what it seems. If you're not wondering what the "catch" is, you're not paying attention.

Baker will not, is incapable of, doing or saying anything that will harm Bush in the end. Baker would never - ever - do anything that would bring shame or trouble to the Bush family. No matter what the surface looks like...look deeper. There's a catch. There's a way out for Bush.

Hamilton is a sell-out who has always protected the butter on his bread. He won't be any different now.

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. That "Independent Iraqi Group"

is that Chalabi's group? I know that has always been CHENEY'S first choice for leader of Iraq.

[Solly Mack]

18. No - that's Baker's group

the group that is coming up with all these "new" ideas about Iraq

but Baker is a long time Bush family friend...way back before Shrub was born. Their fortunes are tied together.

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Ah...gotcha. I've been preoccupied with my husband's surgery..not paying

as close attention as I usually do.

What do you think is their "way out" then? Any ideas? I haven't read the entire report. I just heard the article about it on C-SPAN this morning. I wonder what their "out" will be?

[Solly Mack]

21. Don't know yet...but it's Baker and it's Hamilton

and that's enough to warrant close attention and a mother-lode of suspicion.

I'm still reading and wondering..pondering it

Hope your husband is OK!!! Good vibes to the both of you!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Thanks, Solly. He's fine, we think. We'll know more on Monday.

Thanks for the well wishes. :hug:

I'll be sure to keep an eye on this Baker/Hamiltion story. Surely they have something up their sleeves.:tinfoilhat:

[PerfectSage]

29. There out is to 'Stay the course' for 2 more years...

...and the someone else, probably a Dem gets to 'cut&run' and take the blame for the loss.

Then the repukes get to complain: 'We were winning until the traitorous Dem stab in the back'.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

23. They did that in Vietnam in '63. Worked out real well.

As long as 3,000,000 dead Vietnames and 58,000 dead Americans don't bother you.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngo_Dinh_Diem

Diệm forged a relationship with the United States for support, while retaining policies that were independent from the United States.


Coup and assassination

When the regime turned on a protest by Buddhist monks in May 1963, the U.S. stopped giving aid. A number of monks publicly immolated themselves in protest, and the U.S. grew intensely annoyed with Diệm's unpopular public image. Diệm and Madame Nhu claimed that the Communists had infiltrated the Buddhist groups. Their crackdown was in accordance with the agreed-upon anti-Communist policy. Madame Nhu infamously referred to the incident as a "barbecuing."

On orders from U.S. President John F. Kennedy, Henry Cabot Lodge, the American ambassador to South Vietnam, refused to meet with Diệm. Upon hearing that a coup d'etat was being designed by ARVN Generals led by General Dương Văn Minh, the United States gave secret assurances to the generals that the U.S. would not interfere. Dương Văn Minh and his fellow plotters overthrew the government and executed President Diệm and his younger brother, Ngô Đình Nhu, on November 2, 1963. The United States publicly expressed shock and disappointment that Diệm had been killed. Coincidentally, U.S. President John F. Kennedy was assassinated just twenty days later. Some Vietnamese believed it was Diem's ghost that went for revenge since President Kennedy approved the coup.

When Madame Nhu, visiting the United States at the time, learned of the coup d'état, she immediately identified the United States as the perpetrator. She later said, "Whoever has the Americans as allies does not need enemies." Madame Nhu went on to predict a dark future for Vietnam and that, by being involved in the coup, the troubles of the United States in Vietnam were only beginning.


Repercussions of Diệm's assassination

After the assassination of Ngô Đình Diệm, the U.S. was able to continue to influence the government of South Vietnam, facilitating the election of officials who supported their policies. Among the many who know of the political situations surrounding his death (1963), Ngô Đình Diệm's assassination was considered as the decisive political moment that, according to some, lead gradually to the Vietnam War loss 12 years later (1975), but, according to others, prevented South Vietnam from being lost some 10 years earlier because Diệm had already decided to yield to Ho Chi Minh's invasive ambitions. As a result of the solidified American presence post-assassination, internal turmoil existed among South Vietnamese, as soldiers found themselves forced to decide between Communist interests and American interests. The assassination also bolstered the North Vietnamese attempts to characterize the South Vietnamese as supporters of colonization.

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[tkmorris]

27. You DO know that the Bush people hired him

SPECIFICALLY to offer options for dealing with Iraq right?

Oh wait, I can see that you don't. Live and learn I suppose.

[ncteechur]

28. Can we send Bush over there so we don't have to keep him over here?