Bush IS the ANTICHRIST. Let me explain!!!

[peabody71]

From a purely Christian perspective the Antichrist is one who is accepted by the
true believers as a good Chrisitian, when in fact they are being decieved.
I emphasize, from ONLY a Christian perspective.
We the people will take him down, but the damage will have been done.
Muslim vs. Christian.
I believe that George W. Bush is the prophetic Antichrist.

[Rocknrule]

1. Nah

While he definitely fits the profile, too many people already suspect him. I assume the REAL Antichrist would be better at decieving more than just brainless rednecks.

[peabody71]

4. Like I said purely from a Christian perspective.

Not from yours. It is a very important distinction.

[MannyGoldstein]

2. I Think That You're Absolutely Correct

And he will keep doing damage: you'll see, his followers will come to believe that he was deceived by bad people around him.

[grasswire]

3. even some fundies suspect this of Bush

I remember reading about it a long, long time ago.

[shadowknows69]

6. That what kills me

when I was a pretty serious endtimer we were told that it would most likely be a powerful politician and more than likely the US president.So I can't understand this blind trust the evangelicals have for him. We all pretty much thought it was going to be Reagan though lol.

[Ezlivin]

29. You too?

I was so "into" the End Times that I wrote a full-length book and shopped it around to publishers (about a decade before the "Left Behind" series). "The Serpent's Last Strike" I called it. It was my first book and typical of a new writer, it sucked.

Remember Ronald Wilson Reagan = 666?

By the time I entered seminary this sort of talk had died down, as we fundamentalists began to focus more on homosexuality and abortion. (And dropped all the talk of "backward masking" and subliminal messages in pop music.)

[cally]

36. I'm curious. What made you concerned about abortion and homosexuality?

I've always heard the slogans but I've never understood why it would become a focus of someone's spiritual life. I've always believed that living in a very wealthy, powerful nation within an impoverished world was a much bigger problem with following my faith.

[Ezlivin]

39. It wasn't the focus of my spiritual life

It was something that the church was getting into because of political leverage, not because "God" or the Bible commanded them. Fundamentalism was making the shift from "hellfire and damnation" to political maneuvering and I was there during the transition and worked with some of the "names" of the movement.

The issues of abortion and homosexuality drew attention because of their political associations, not because of some spiritual awakening.

It was then, as it is now, all about the acquisition of power.

[cally]

40. Thanks for answering. It makes sense

in a strange way how folks can justify their focus.

[shadowknows69]

41. In hindsight I've probably given my church a bad rap

because they never really delved into political matters. I left for other reasons.

[rhiannon55]

5. Who knew that when the antichrist finally showed up

he'd be a moron? :dunce: O8) :evilgrin:

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[patrice]

8. I'm curious; how do you know this is a troll?

[peabody71]

9. WHat the hell, is that? Freeper troll?!

Excuse me, first I want to re re emphasize the Chrisitian perpective.
It just came to me the other day. I was always only considering my own perspective, but I am not a Christian.

Secondly, I was the first one on DU to ask "Where the fuck were the F-16s' on 9-11".
It was one of the first huge threads about 9-11.
The freeper stuff is a little over blown atround here.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

10. I think they're outing themselves - lol!

n/t

[bryant69]

34. WHo is outing themselves - please provide a list?

And also of course any evidence you have that such people are trolls.

I'm sure it would make enlightening reading for us all.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[patrice]

16. I was just asking the person who brought it up.

Freepers are members of the Free Republic evil twin of the DU. Trolls hang out on the internet in various places and try to cause trouble amongst whatever community they can insinuate themselves into.

I think it is possible that persons who call other persons Freepers or Trolls are actually either Freepers or Trolls themselves. And I was just investigating if the poster was saying that just because you did a politically IN-correct, or at least naive, thing, i.e. called the pResident the Anti-Christ.

BTW, I think it is against the rules to call anyone a Troll here on the DU.

[peabody71]

22. I get it. You are the AntiChrist.jk

[Cameron27]

24. I hate that troll BS

More times than not, it's just a sleazy attempt for an idiot to shut down someone who's got a different opinion than their own, overvalued one.

[lukasahero]

23. 226 and you're calling someone a troll?

Over a religious post? Uh, okay.

[Megahurtz]

31. Uh, I fail to see the connection,

Dude.

[patrice]

11. I try very hard to be careful with this sort of idea; I don't like being

mistaken.

The Anti-Christ isn't actually from the Bible, but if we accept Christian truths as a model of some sort, we can entertain the possibility that time/space (and, hence, matter) is more of a unified whole. Separateness is an illusion. Why else would something someone said/did 2000 years ago mean anything now? If separateness is an illusion, wouldn't the Anti-Christ, if it is a real thing, be an archetype then? . . . . Of which there are many manifestations. I find it easier to say "Bush is an Anti-Christ".

Since there could be many, there'd be degrees of Anti-Christ-ness, some people/things more wholly identified with the archetype and some less.

If the definition of the Anti-Christ is that to which people surrender their souls, "the Church" fills that definition perfectly.

[peabody71]

13. I consider that a little over thought.

If anything a prophesy what ever it be is a reminder or warning.
Like some one said, the evangelicals trust Bush without question.
The warning was for them not to trust anyone blindly.
The idea of just a single anti-christ still works. In my opinion.

[patrice]

18. habit of mine . . .

over-thinking.

I'm a technical writer; it's a reflex at this point.

[peabody71]

20. Fair enough. I appreciate the discussion.

[xultar]

12. He's to ignorant an asshole to-be the antichrist.

[peabody71]

19. Is there some sort of intelligence criteria?

The AntiChrist from the Christian perspective needs to be smart?
Plus, I seem to think Bush plays stupid very well.

[Uncle Joe]

26. Bush has benefited from low expectations,

during the coup of 2000 the mass corporate put this meme out, after he bombed during the debates, they excused his mistakes, errors and lies as performing better than expected.

[crim son]

27. I don't know about that.

Wilful idiocy is a damnable sin.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

14. Check out these Quotes from the The Bible: "Piety, Prosperity and Power"

http://www.markswatson.com/bushac.htm


It has been said that the Antichrists kingdom (or mammon) and society rest on three earthly pillars; Piety, Prosperity and Power. When the Devil Temped Jesus, these were among the things that Christ was tempted with.


Ye are of father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. - (Joh 8:44)


It is these things that are pillars of the system of those who serve the Devil. The man of sin will not be an atheist he will be a religious person and will have the backing of the religious world, just like our current President does. Remember that the false prophet is the one who causes worship of the Man of Sin (Rev 13). He will wage war with the backing of the religious establishment. He will talk of prosperity, propose to bring it, Just like our current President. He will seek power through violence just like out current President. There are indeed many more parallels between the current President and the coming man of sin than many people like to believe. He has done a great deal to force Israel to divide her land up ,


He has been known as a heavy drinker and very proud and arrogant (Hab 2:5)

He usually has an angry scowl on his face (Dan 8:23)

[dkofos]

15. Should he be executed then??

[gWbush is Mabus]

17. check the username, yo.

[patrice]

21. I'm sorry, I don't get it.

Peabody? There's a famous B. O'Liely lie about a Peabody award; is that it?

[Megahurtz]

35. He meant check his own username. n/t

[patrice]

42. Oh.

I had to look that one up.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction.

[TriMetFan]

25. heck even the Late Pope John Paul

thought that Bush was the Antichrist.

"Madsen, a Washington-based writer and columnist, who often writes for Counterpunch, says that people close to the pope claim that amid these concerns, the pontiff wishes he was younger and in better health to confront the possibility that Bush may represent the person prophesized in Revelations. John Paul II has always believed the world was on the precipice of the final confrontation between Good and Evil as foretold in the New Testament."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0MKY/is_9_27/ai_108881880

[crim son]

28. I'm still waiting to hear your explanation.

From a Christian perspective, I mean. I've seen many bible-based arguments debunking the idea. What do you know that others don't?

[peabody71]

32. That the idea of the Antichrist didn't come from the 'Nation'.

Seriously where did it originate?

[TK421]

30. I thought the Antichrist was supposed to be clever and manipulative..

He is neither.....most Americans think he is a moron and full of shit.

[peabody71]

33. How many times must I say Christian perspective.

Not yours. Or whoever the majority of Americans are.

[TK421]

38. It isn't just mine....no need to get indignant, but doesn't it say in the

bible somewhere that the Antichrist is supposed to be clever and manipulative? All I said was that IS NOT THE CASE.....just read my frigging post AGAIN. As far as the majority of Americans, I'll clarify- the ones who didn't vote for Bush. I couldn't care less about the "christian" perspective, either

[PerfectSage]

37. I think revelations is being played out by mankind on an unconscious level

Christian and Islamic end times writings have been around for a long time. Enough time to have affected the course of human civilization to the point where I wonder if revelations is being played out by mankind on an unconscious level.

[patrice]

43. Read some Carl Jung: our minds are not separate and completely

unique. Humans share cognitive patterns. We don't have absolute power, but the World IS a manifestation of who we are.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. Oy Vey.

:eyes:

[BeHereNow]

45. Beg to differ- I think he is the first beast in REV 13

who paves the way for the second beast.
Read REV 13 again.

BHN

 1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

 3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

 7And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

 8And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 9If any man have an ear, let him hear.

 10He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

 11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

 16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

[Bad Penny]

46. this makes sense

The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10. and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12. that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

So in other words bush is kind of like a dish of sweet poison God is using to catch the cockroaches, 'evangelicals' or otherwise? Evil people will never not out themselves in their support of the 'Lawless One'. We seem to be seeing this do we not with the surreal blind support many people give him? And if there's one thing Bush is it's lawless.