DU Homework Helpers? Military Commissions Act 2006

[SaveOurDemocracy]

One of my sons, 11th grade, has to prepare a brief summary of the major points and implications of this horror for a high school law class.

Anyone have any links to DU journals or other sources where it's examined and explained in layman terms??

While he's got to avoid rhetoric and personal bias, he IS allowed to discuss how it contradicts our Constitution, and suggest potential inherent dangers.

Any help will be appreciated ... Thanks DU'ers :kick:

[Hosnon]

1. Well, here's my analysis:

Official Military Commissions Act of 2006 and Habeas Corpus Thread

I try to show that the MCA does not take away the right of habeas corpus from any U.S. citizen.

I think you are looking for the opposite conclusion but it may help.

[spag68]

2. Well, I'm sorry, but you are wrong.

[Hosnon]

3. Haha, ok. Where? nt

[SaveOurDemocracy]

5. Thanks, MJDuncan

Your analysis was much appreciated.

[Hosnon]

8. You're welcome and thanks.

:) Hope it helps in some way.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

12. I forgot to offer you this link...

considering your interest and knowledge you may find it of interest. Thanks again for the help.

Habeas Corpus: The Lynchpin of Freedom........... http://www.fff.org/comment/com0610d.asp
by Jacob G. Hornberger, October 11, 2006

[Hosnon]

13. Thanks! I'll check it out. nt

[lonestarnot]

6. If your so sure get out there and piss off the wrong person and let us

know via message in a bottle what happened to you.

[Hosnon]

7. Huh? I'm also sure that if I jump out of an airplane I will die but I'm

not going to do it just to prove it.

[lonestarnot]

9. Not so sure then hugh?

[Justice Is Comin]

11. It sweeps up any person declared to be committing any hostile act

that monkey nuts determines to be hostile. The language is "any person." It is a second sub definition.

However it is headed for certain death by the court and it will be ruled unconstitutional. I have written many posts here elsewhere why.

[seabeyond]

4. here are a couple threads i saved on the subject from du

in case i needed to go to them. i did not go thru the threads to see how relevant the would be for assignment. your son can do that, his homework, lol. wink. good luck to your son. good stuff he is doing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2286852
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2267916
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2258086
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2253214

[SaveOurDemocracy]

10. Thanks, seabeyond

... for passing on the links. I've already passed on the "They Thought They Were Free" one ... it's a very powerful warning of the insideousness of erosion of freedom.


I found what I think is a very good presentation of the critical importance of habeas corpus and where losing this right can/will lead. I gave it to my son to share with his class ... let me know what you think of it. It may be worth sharing with the DU community.


Habeas Corpus: The Lynchpin of Freedom........ http://www.fff.org/comment/com0610d.asp
by Jacob G. Hornberger, October 11, 2006

[SaveOurDemocracy]

14. I tend to believe we'll all be at risk ...

lines will blur. I posted a link, above, some may find interesting. It's easily understood, and a good one for passing on to people who don't grasp the importance of habeas corpus.

I'll repost it here:

Habeas Corpus: The Lynchpin of Freedom
by Jacob G. Hornberger, October 11, 2006
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0610d.asp

[hootinholler]

15. I'll take a shot at it...

While I agree it seems not to strip citizen rights of Habeas Corpus, practical enforcement lends itself to abuse because it may be a long time (years) to obtain a habeas hearing before a court. What redress will the government extend to citizens so wronged?

As to its constitutionality, it is a Bill of Attainder which are explicitly prohibited along with Ex Post Facto laws in section 1. A bill of atainder is a bill which legislates punishment to a class of persons who otherwise has the right of a hearing. Those are named and defined in the bill as "aliens." For any other offense aliens are afforded habeas proceedings.

Oh, and if you think people aren't being swept up in the us then google operation ICE, or ask Larisa about her sister.

-Hoot