White House being briefed on "End of Days" Biblical Prophesies

[Ian David]

Thu, Oct 19, 2006 8:39pm EST

Beck hosted Rosenberg to discuss briefing of White House, "a number of congressional leaders and Homeland Security, Pentagon " about "end of days scenarios"

On the October 18 edition of his CNN Headline News program, Glenn Beck interviewed Christian author Joel C. Rosenberg about what Rosenberg claimed are his visits to "speak at a White House Bible study" and conversations with "a number of congressional leaders and Homeland Security, Pentagon {officials} about my novels, which are based on Bible prophecy." Rosenberg later added that "the question that's been most interesting among these various administration and congressional officials is, 'Are you saying that the Bible talks about an alliance between Iran, Russia, and a group of Middle Eastern countries to attack Israel at some point?' And the answer is yes." As Media Matters for America has noted, Rosenberg appeared on CNN and Fox News in July and August, respectively, to tout his prediction that the escalated violence between Israel and Hezbollah was evidence that the Apocalypse was nigh.

Rosenberg said that during his visits, "I had a high-ranking congressman say right to me, 'Are you kidding? I mean, I've never even heard of this, of Russia and Iran forming an alliance.' " Rosenberg later stated that, "in the 2,500 years since Ezekiel wrote the prophecy, Russia and Iran have never had an alliance, but they are developing one now." Rosenberg also claimed that certain past events "looked like apocalyptic moments" in 1967 and 1973, when the Soviet Union "was right on the verge of sending ground troops into Israel," but that "God kicked the can up the road, as it were. And the United States was a key player in that," adding: "So the question is: Will we deal with Iran now or are we going to wait for them to launch an apocalyptic war against us?"

Additionally, at the end of the interview, Beck claimed that "the interesting thing to me is, even though I may not believe" the apocalypse is near, "{Iranian President Mahmoud} Ahmadinejad does believe it." But as Media Matters noted, Beck has repeatedly singled out certain news events as evidence of "the Apocalypse." On the July 12 edition of his television show, Beck identified the conflicts in the Middle East and India as evidence that "it is the end of days" and later described the conflicts as "World War III and the impending apocalypse." Beck also stated on that show that "whether you like it or not, this is a religious war."

As Media Matters also noted, on the July 13 edition of CNN Headline News' Glenn Beck, Beck and former CIA officer Robert Baer had a similar discussion about the purported implications of escalated violence between Israel and Hezbollah, during which Baer said: "We can see this spreading into other countries. We are much closer to Armageddon." On the July 18 edition of the program, Beck referred to a heat wave as "the apocalypse," and after showing a photo of a cat born with two faces, Beck said it was "further evidence, oh, yes, that the end of days is approaching quickly." He then asked: "How far away from the plague of locusts are we?" As Media Matters further noted, on the July 24 edition of the program, while discussing Iran, Beck said: "I truly believe these mullahs are far worse than Hitler. ... I believe these guys are biblically evil." He concluded: "We have a series starting tomorrow on the coming of the messiah."

More:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200610200004


See also:
America's Roadmap to The Apocalypse- Bush's plan to Immanentize The Eschaton
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=2747646

[Jacobin]

1. Oh, good. He's getting foreign policy advice from soothsayers

[HereSince1628]

4. Not even a soothsayer, the guy is a storyteller.

The end times, of the US Constitution, already happened.

[atreides1]

10. Not unusual

Hitler use to get advice from astrologers, so did Nancy Reagan!

[ArbustoBuster]

29. Every Roman Emperor did it.

So Dubya is just doing his best to follow along in the footsteps of every other "unary executive."

[MamaBear]

39. Maybe he could get Jean Schmidt in to read the entrails

of a chicken. Or is that Harris's job?

Condi?

[Theres-a]

2. Jesus H. Christ on a raft!

These guys make Jack Van Impe look sane.

[undeterred]

3. those should be "end of administration" prophesies

[buff2]

5. Are these clowns really that anxious to burn in hell?

Why do they always want to push the end times that puts them closer to their OWN torture for eternity? :wtf:

[notadmblnd]

13. Because they think they're going to survive it.

The that their real GOD ($$'s) is going to save them.

[seemslikeadream]

30. Kingdom of Heaven needs to be built on Earth

Theonomic Reconstructionism:
One God, One Vote:

"We protect the Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. Now, we protect the most sacred treasure we have, our secret ballot." -Diebold CEO Wally O'Dell, May 2002.

"My purpose is total integration of biblical law into our lives." -Howard Ahmanson

How does a fervent belief in the End of the World and a conviction that the Bible (King James only, thank you ma'am) is the actual revealed word of God factor into one's long-term investment strategies? A strange question to be sure, but one that must have been posed by at least a few of the eclectic crowd who believe in Theonomic Reconstructionism.

Theonomic Reconstructionism is a belief that the only true authority is God's, that allegiance to biblical laws trumps that of civic law and that the Kingdom of Heaven needs to be built on Earth before Jesus will come again. In addition to that, homosexuals should be put to death, women should be banned from civic office, apostates and heretics should be stoned to death and there is a great need for more Christian politicians.

Not content to philosophize about such things, the TR movement sprang into action. Funded by billionaires such as Howard Ahmanson and the Coors and Hunt families, Reconstructionists formed think tanks such as the Chalcedon Institute and the Rutherford Institute (the friendly guys that funded Paula Jones' lawsuit against Clinton) to give the Christian Right a philosophical base to draw from, and political action committees to finance their elections.


According to the Reconstructionists, Jesus would do what Howard Ahmanson did. Ahmanson inherited his money from his father, owner of Home Savings & Loan (during the S&L scandal of the Reagan years, Home's investors, mostly small family investments, lost over $150 million dollars. No one went to jail). In addition to funding PACs and think tanks, Howard Jr. parlayed his fortune into the majority stock of a business called American Information Systems (AIS) started by two enterprising brothers, Todd and Bob Urosevich. AIS later merged with Business Records Corporation (BRC) and became Election Systems & Solutions (ES&S). ES&S is the number one provider of touch-screen voting machines. Their website claims that their products were used in collecting 56% of the national vote in the last presidential elections
more
http://www.tabletnewspaper.com/politics/73_tftgk.html


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[StellaBlue]

6. :

:puke:

[bmbmd]

7. Even Sports Illustrated has seen signs

that "the apocalypse is upon us". I guess we'll see.

[NoPasaran]

19. Yeah, but the Red Sox won the World Series and nothing happened!

Now, if the Cubs ever win one...:scared:

[bmbmd]

27. Nothing happened? Nothing happened!!!

Read the post-the end is near...

[mykpart]

8. Among those in history who thought they were in the end times

and had to help bring them about are Nat Turner and Charles Manson. Great company, Georgie.

[notadmblnd]

17. I read somewhere that this has happened through out history

That people go on a religion bender at the end/beginning of every millenium. Appears to last a good 20 or 30 years then people begin to come to their senses again mid century.

[triguy46]

34. No, not like this...

because this end times theology, technically "pre-milleneal dispensationalism" was not presented until the 1830s by a failed preacher named Darby. The current obsession is directly tied to his writings. Prior to Darby, the end times was of not significant theological interest, hence the absence of writings on this by Calvin, Luther, St. Francis. But, of course, they didn't have Darby's insight, nor Tim LaHayes staff of writers cranking out this crap.

[Ian_rd]

9. Rosenberg speaks as if he DOESN'T want the apocalypse to come.

"So the question is: Will we deal with Iran now or are we going to wait for them to launch an apocalyptic war against us?"

Such bullshit. In fact, these nutcases want nothing more than the apocalypse to occur. It gives them a raging hard-on and there are thousands of these extremists who make it their mission in life to bring it about. They want to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem, they are breeding red heifers for the foretold sacrifice, they are returning Jews to Israel from Ethiopia and elsewhere. Who can forget those ridiculous comments on the rapture ready forum? "Golly gee, what do you think it will feel like when we float up to Heaven? I can't wait! Yipeee!"

[RebelOne]

12. Those wackos at the Rapture Ready forum

are the most delusional group I have ever seen.

[The Backlash Cometh]

11. Of anything that I've seen in my time on this planet, Bush has done

more to provoke the occurrence of the Iran, Russian and the Middle Eastern alliance, than any other president. So, if you DON'T want to bring on the endtimes, vote Democratic.

[niallmac]

14. Not 'days', it's 'day' ..end day. Nov.7th. n/t

[elehhhhna]

15. Rissia was not a country 2500 years ago.

If they're talking about the prophecy about "the Bear", maybe it meant Canada. Or Alaska.

All I know is bush is reaping that whirlwind and the Repub Apocolypse is scheduled for Nov. 7.

[verdalaven]

16. If I still believed -

I wouldn't see these people as Christians, but provocateurs of the devil.

It is scary, because they're crazy and we are literally at their mercy right now.

[leesa]

18. Our lawmakers never heard of Russia and Iran having an alliance?

Maybe they should get their noses out of their Bibles (or asses) and start paying attention to current events. Who doesn't know Iran and Russia aren't allied?

[Generic Other]

20. Rapture Death Trip - - - - - - - - - - - - > Check out my endtimes VIDEO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2yvYR4RFVs

[tanyev]

21. There are plenty of respected religious leaders who do not

subscribe to all of this hooey. When do they get to talk to the White House, congressional leaders, Homeland Security and Pentagon officials?

Here's the root of all the trouble: "...you have to do some historical detective work to discover what the ancient names correspond to in modern times. And I do that in the book." Sometimes that "detective work" gets very creative indeed. There's a reason you'll find his books and LaHaye's in the fiction section.

[undergroundpanther]

22. Lord of the Rings

Star wars ,Chang Jebs mystical warrior buddy,and Rapture... yep the psychopaths are making up realities again,and they can't even use their own creativity, They are losers.

Anyways one thing about the Apocalypse in the bible,for Jesus to return it states 3/4 of the jews will die and the rest become Christians, and it's a bloodbath,and the "reward" is being a king/priest and smashing your enemies like clay pots forever. Basically a vile form of elitism enforced by god where the chosen live in unimaginable luxury and health while the"evildoers" against them will gnash teeth in envy and pain forever wanting whatt they have ,I bet narcissists just Love that fantasy and they are 100% sure god will choose them after all these psychopaths are sure NOTHING is wrong with them and they do no sin they think..That's psychopathy for you.Every psychopath thinks himself is perfect,..Blamless in his own mind,(it's all the liberals, Clinton's societies bad parents, etc.etc. etc. fault when they are caught.)Psychopaths never feel shame , they think they are perfect,so they never blame themselves for the cause of their own failures .


They are convinced they are so good they are ready to sit next to god and bash all those other disobedient people that opposed them and said no you cannot rape,beat up,dominate or steal.They can reconcile this two faced hypocrisy because in the bible god has to faces.He's a Jekyll and Hyde 2 face,On one side of the book he loves everyone,urges kindness yet this same god he commands Israel to kill everything in the book of Joshua,and the Apocalypse its a bloodbath.

The Christian god I think is an Archon,a controlling system of delusion it is 2 faced belief /authoritarian figure just like the psychopaths who waiting for it to spirit them away for more decadent living .Jesus is their eternal enabler,narcissistic supply and their Mommy/ daddy so they are never accountable to anything God has no problem with torture really look what he does to people that disobey(Do not suffer a witch to live)and so these bullies think in Heaven they will never be forced to grow up. That is what heaven's about to them..Eternal child hood domination and being taken care of and getting everything they want without people of conscience( the liberals ,Clinton,society ,bad parents, etc.etc. etc..) interfering.

[ProfessorGAC]

24. I Think It's The Vast Majority, Is It Not?

The Catholic church, for one, has a formal declaration (i think from Paul VI?) that they do not support apocalyptic prophecy based upon Revelations. I don't think the Lutherans support it, the Presbyterians, or the Orthodox chuches either.

So, i would guess that those that support are it are a distinct minority.

Think that's right?
The Professor

[tanyev]

41. I don't think any of the mainstream Protestant denominations

believe in rapture theology. I'm Lutheran; I know we don't. But I don't know how that translates into majority/minority. Protestant denominations have seen their membership numbers decline over the past few decades while non-denominational mega-churces have been growing--a Borg-like assimilation of disaffected Protestants. My guess would be that the Rapture Racketeers are still a small percentage of the total number, albeit a disproportionately loud minority.

[triguy46]

35. Including some pillars of very conservative denominations...

Herschel Hobbes of the SBC is an "amillenalist." He does not believe in the end times rapture hoo-haa the began with Darby in 1830. And he's about as conservative as they come.

[triguy46]

36. Then they are not adhering to the GOP platform. n/t

[robbedvoter]

23. I know that pic! It was a nightmare in an Angel episode

Soul Purpose...Didn't have W in it though:
http://www.buffyworld.com/angel/season5/screencaps/soulpurpose/soulpurpose568.php

So, is W paying more attention to these loonies than to tenet? (OBL determined to strike in the US?)

[ItsTheMediaStupid]

25. The size of that picture is making me have to scroll to read the thread.

nm

[Renew Deal]

26. The Rapture happened 150 years ago.

Someone should let the cooks know.

[theHandpuppet]

28. And for years Bush refused to meet with the Congressional Black Caucus

But whores like Jeff Gannon, criminals such as Jack Abramoff, pederasts such as Mark Foley, and fundie lunatics were all welcome. Just something to consider, eh?

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/26/national/26bush.html?ei=5088&en=f5365717a7195863&ex=1264395600&adxnnl=1&partner=rssnyt&adxnnlx=1161363414-gMgzq3OxXcWC/YycYIQYrQ
(excerpt)

"Mr. Bush first asked the caucus to meet with him shortly after his first inauguration, in January 2001. Despite the group's repeated requests for another meeting, Mr. Bush did not meet with it again until February 2004, when caucus leaders called to say they were coming to the White House.

"They were let in a few hours later to meet with Secretary of State Colin L. Powell and Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser. They then said they would not leave until they saw the president. Mr. Bush showed up about 20 minutes later, said Representative Elijah E. Cummings, the Maryland Democrat who led the group then... "

[SnowGoose]

31. Hey! What finger is Georgie hodling up?

I know he's got an issue with that, but surely not....

[ElboRuum]

32. The Large Hadron Collider...

At the energies that the LHC will operate, it is theorized, it will be able to create subatomic-sized black holes...

Some people have raised obvious concerns about this, however theorists have assured us that these singularities would instantaneously decay, and possess so little mass that they cannot accrete. In fact, they've stated that these energies are at the equivalent level of high energy cosmic rays impacting the upper atmosphere, so this should be a relatively common occurrence, and the earth has been safe from being sucked into one of these things thus far... so maybe they're right, that there's nothing to worry about from black holes on earth...

But are we...?

Seems to me that there is enough concentrated density at the White House these days to catastrophically warp space-time.

[triguy46]

33. "Even the Son of Man does not know the day..."

If these so called "christians" had a scintilla of biblical education, they would understand that this is pure baloney. End times rapture theology is a construct of a failed presbyterian preacher in the 1830s named Darby. It is not found in the writings or teachings of theologians prior to that. It gets all kinds of attention because at any point one can manipulate their observations to fit obscure scripture in Revelations. Darby thought he was in the end times. But wait! We're in the end times! NO, but.. shit.

IMHO, if St. Francis, Paul, Calvin, Luther, Wesley, and other true philosophical pillars don't mention it, why do we think that this is the be all end all of belief? In fact, for these people, end times theology is surpassing Christ as the central tenet of their faith. Lastly, if a theologian like Herschel Hobbs, the mainstay of Southern Baptist thought and writing over the past 50 years rejects pre-milleneal dispensationalism, why, oh WHY do people latch onto FICTION as a structure of belief.

[tigereye]

37. Dick Armey was actually dissing Dobson

if that ain't a sign of the end times, I don't know what is....


:rofl:

[Judi Lynn]

38. I think there's a much more practical motivation at work.

Seems "logical" he wants his people to be completely educated on what the rapture fundies believe in order to control them by incorporating their words and symbols in the language he'll be using publicly. You may have already heard of the fundie-based "code" words he has already used previously.

I think it's strictly for "perception management," and it's intented to help him control the fundies and their belief in him and his administration.

He has always counted on them for support from the first day. As the country will get more polarized, he's going to need to activate them more in order to protect him and his goals.

[RedStateShame]

40. And then, after all those meetings, he might even get to learning about...

...Iraq.