Sorry to be a bearer of bad news but Lieberman opens 17-pt lead

[WI_DEM]

Quinnipiac Poll gives Lieberman a 52-35 percent lead with 6% for Schlesinger

Lieberman leads 70-9 among GOP voters (19% back Schlesinger)
Lieberman leads 58-32 among Indies
Lamont leads among Dems 55-36

36% or more than one-third of democrats back Lieberman.

Lieberman has a 49-28 percent favorable rating, while Lamont has a 29-36 favorable/unfav. rating

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11359.xml

p.s.
It didn't help this campaign with leading dems like "Big Dawg" Clinton saying that CT is a "win-win" for Democrats becuz Lieberman will vote to organize the Senate with the Democrats. In effect, "Big Dawg" gave a wink and nod to democrats to vote for Joe. And why hasn't he held a rally with Lamont yet like he did for Lieberman?

[Avalux]

1. It's Republican voters; they're following their orders.

x(

[WI_DEM]

No, it's not just Republican voters. Indies make up the majority

of voters in CT and they overwhelmingly back Lieberman and 36% of Democrats also back him--If Lamont got a plurality of Indies and had 80% or more of Democrats he would be leading. We can't just say it's the Republicans.

[Avalux]

20. Thanks for the clarification.

Makes me so angry - depending on how the Senate races go - Lieberman could end up being very powerful if he wins. :(

[Imagevision]

37. Bush/Lieberman pollster pleads guilty to fraud ---> Dig it!!

BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (Sept. 7) - The owner of DataUSA Inc., a company that conducted political polls for the campaigns of President Bush, Sen. Joe Lieberman and other candidates, pleaded guilty to fraud for making up survey and poll results. --> Lieberman double digit ka-ka...
http://news.aol.com/elections/story/_a/pollster-pleads-guilty-to-making-up/20060907093409990001

yeah I know, that was September - don't be naive, they did it then they're doing it now!

[lyonn]

51. Thanks for the reminder!! nt

[Ian_rd]

57. What's the matter with Kansas? Forget that. What's the matter with CT? nt

[trumad]

2. Polls mean nothing in this race

It's all about the ground game at the end and Lieb has nothing.

[bowens43]

3. Nothing except the votes to win the election.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I'm With You

I'm in the reality based party... If Lamont had a seventeen point lead we would be opening up champagne bottles.

[WI_DEM]

4. That would be true if Lamont were within five points or so

then it could be made up on the ground, but hopefully the recent debates will help Schlesinger and Lamont.

[EmmitFitzhume]

29. I hope the polls are wrong

and you're right, there is no chance to make up 17 points no matter how good your GOTV efforts are.

I was in CT last weekend and the ads were non-stop for Lieberman. Most of them were paid for by various PACs and organizations affiliated with his campaign. From what I gathered, it was closer than 17 points, but I may be wrong.

[Hubert Flottz]

5. It don't change a damned thing.

He's still a wimpy asshole who kissed the chimp on coast to coast TV!

[WI_DEM]

6. That's true, but it's a shame that Lamont hasn't been able to

expand his base since the primary in August.

[Hubert Flottz]

7. Joe is Karl's man!

[WI_DEM]

10. of course he is and frankly I don't think Lamont has run a good

general election campaign. He should be pounding Lieberman with the fact that Bush, Rove and the GOP establishment is backing Joe and putting it on the line that the WH is going to expect pay back if Joe is elected.

[smoogatz]

9. What did you expect?

Joe's getting millions in Republican PAC money; he's the lynchpin to their whole strategy for holding onto the Senate. What astonishes me are the 30-some percent of Dems that still support him.

[Imagevision]

40. Bush/Lieberman pollster pleads guilty to fraud

NEW HAVEN, Conn. (AP)_ The owner of DataUSA Inc., a company that conducted political polls for the campaigns of President Bush, Sen. Joe Lieberman and other candidates, pleaded guilty to fraud for making up survey and poll results.

Tracy Costin pleaded guilty Wednesday in Bridgeport federal court to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Costin, 46, faces a maximum of five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 when she is sentenced Nov. 30.

http://rawstory.com/showarticle.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.newsday.com%2Fnews%2Flocal%2Fwire%2Fconnecticut%2Fny-bc-ct--pollfraud0907sep07%2C0%2C6880361%2Cprint.story%3Fcoll%3Dny-region-apconnecticut

[NoPasaran]

38. But likely to be Senator Wimpy Asshole

unfortunately

[smoogatz]

8. Wait a bit. This poll was taken before the most recent debate.

The one in which Schlesinger raked Joementum over the coals, and painted him as a "tax and spend liberal."

[trumad]

13. Bingo

[WI_DEM]

15. I hope so, but it's getting awfully late

Let's hope too that some leading democrats like Bill Clinton stump for Lamont.

[onenote]

25. I think it was taken after

THe debate was Oct 16. The poll was taken Oct.17-19.

[JerseygirlCT]

63. That's correct.

At least what I heard on the news this am.

Another poll had them only at a 6 point difference, though.

I think it's going to be tough, but I don't think it's a done deal yet.

[robcon]

33. NO it wasn't

The poll refers to the results of the debate. It was fielded after the debate.

[smoogatz]

35. I was mistaken.

My bad.

[Kagemusha]

11. I'll say this once for the record...

Don't try to tell me that Lieberman was going to be a solid Dem caucus voter even if the party had thrown everything possible to kill Lamont's candidacy. Lieberman is out for Lieberman and it wasn't going to matter who pulled what favor on his behalf to stifle democracy. To anyone who argues Lieberman's loyalty has now been lost: you never had it to lose.

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. I want to know if Dodd, Clinton, Kerry, Edwards, Kennedy, Biden and

all the other big gun Dems have been in CT. to help Lamont win. Have they? If NOT, why not?

[WI_DEM]

14. Yes, I'd like to know why Big Dog hasn't gone yet to CT since he

stumped for Lieberman just before the primary.

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. I think, behind closed doors, they REALLY want Lieberman to win.

Just a hunch I have.

[WI_DEM]

17. I have a hunch you are correct

that many leading dems told Joe, "Look we have to publicly say we're for Lamont, but we want you to win and we'll do as little as possible to help Lamont." Which so far seems to be the case.

[in_cog_ni_to]

18. BINGO. n/t

[Imagevision]

41. Pollster Pleads Guilty To Faking Results For Lieberman Campaign

The owner of DataUSA Inc., a company that conducted political polls for the campaigns of President Bush, Sen. Joe Lieberman and other candidates, pleaded guilty to fraud for making up survey and poll results.

Tracy Costin pleaded guilty Wednesday to one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Costin, 46, faces a maximum of five years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 when she is sentenced Nov. 30.

[NewJeffCT]

30. Clinton came to CT a few days before the primary

When his appearance could be the most effective.

If he does the same for Lamont, it would likely be the week before the general election.

[Freddie Stubbs]

23. Dodd has already campaigned with Lamont

http://www.nedlamont.com/page/event/detail/visibility/wrjz

[WI_DEM]

24. that's good

maybe Lamont should ask him to cut some tv and radio ads saying "there is only one real democrat in this race--Ned Lamont."

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. Lamont is doing very well with Democrats already

It's the independents he needs more support from.

[NewJeffCT]

56. actually, Lieberman is doing well among Dems

He's only lost 12 points from his primary totals, while Lamont has gained 10, so it's like 62-36 for Lamont among Democrats, after Lamont won 52-48 in the primary.

Lamont needs to get more Democrats and more independents.

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Well, that's nice to see.

We're running out of time here. We need the big guns in CT.

[wisteria]

27. Kerry has a scheduled event for Lamont at the end of this month.

Kerry has also talked him up on talk shows, had a post concerning Lamont on Daily Kos and raised money for him through is e-mail list. Edward's has already been to CT to support Lamont. Clinton summoned him to NY and wrote a check for him. Dodd has just finished a commercial and Biden, I believe still supports Leiberman.

That said, Lamont and the grassroots have to start pushing harder.

[WildEyedLiberal]

47. Kerry is appearing with him on October 25th

I believe Edwards has already been.

[zanne]

19. Lieberman is being rewarded for cheating.

What's to stop anybody in Connecticut now from losing in the primaries and switching to Independent? It really pisses me off that his slimy tactic is working to his advantage.

[insane_cratic_gal]

21. Lieberman just needs to switch to republican

Thats absurd when that many republican's are voting for you!... I guess he has to thank Fox, Hannity and Limbaugh for that.. which means Rove has him on a even tighter leash.

I'm so tired of his bullshit calling us the "fringe" Left.. WAKE UP JOE 70 percent of Americans want to END the war in IRAQ! We aren't fringe we are heart beat.

[WI_DEM]

22. what is even more absurd is 36% of Democrats voting for him

[onenote]

26. agreed

[flaminbats]

34. I believe Lieberman will switch..

but only if the Republicans still control the Senate after this election. in 2008, I wouldn't be surprised to see Lieberman run for President in the Republican primaries.

Never mind that he lost the Democratic Primary, lol he has the class required to be a loyal Republican.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

45. He Doesn't Need To Switch If It's A 50-50 Senate....

eom

[JerseygirlCT]

64. I think that's just what he's hoping for

then everyone has to kowtow to him. Perfect!

And he gets to really position himself as Mr. Moderation.

Oh ick. I sure hope that doesn't happen.

[NewJeffCT]

31. The worst news was...

Before the debates, Lieberman had about 75% of the Republic votes, Lamont had 15% and Schlesinger had 9% of Republics. Yes, Lamont had more Republic votes than Schlesinger.

After the first debate, it was Lieby with 70% of Republics, Schlesinger 18% and Lamont 9%. So, Schlesinger's gain was mostly from Lamont.

[WI_DEM]

32. good point

[BlueStater]

49. How was Lieberman during the debate anyway?

I bet we saw a vicious side to him that never revealed itself during his debate with Cheney. It's almost like he wanted Bush to become president.

[Imagevision]

39. NOTE: Pollster Pleads Guilty to Making Up Results

BRIDGEPORT, Conn. (Sept. 7) - The owner of DataUSA Inc., a company that conducted political polls for the campaigns of President Bush, Sen. Joe Lieberman and other candidates, pleaded guilty to fraud for making up survey and poll results.

According to a federal indictment, the owner of a company that conducted political polls for the campaigns of Sen. Joe Lieberman, President Bush and others told employees to "talk to cats and dogs" when instructing them to fabricate the surveys.

Joe double digit leads, in his dreams but it's a slick move!

[rinsd]

50. This was Quinnipac not some internal pollster.

Nothing wrong with ignoring the polls and continuing to work hard.

Implying the polls are fraudulent because they do not fit your preconception. Well there's a word for that.

[The Count]

54. See #53 on Quinnipiac. Not the most reliable.

This huge surge is very suspect - after a debate in which Joe didn't exactly shine.

[rinsd]

58. I saw it and disproved it. Do research next time.

[Imagevision]

42. They told us John Kerry's exit polling was all wrong too...

[Jacobin]

44. Well, at least he got 'outed' as a republican

And we gave him a large ration of poop for being a douche.

At least we accomplished that.

And the elections not over yet and I still have hope

[Lex]

46. Did he get the loud message that he should be a real DEMOCRAT

and not a fake, Bush ass-kissing one?

If so, I hope he changes his ways now.

[BlueStater]

48. If he wins, he should either become a Republican or remain an Independent

Going back to the Democratic party after you snatched victory away from their candidate is bullshit.

[BelgianMadCow]

52. What is the supposed appeal of Lieberman to independents?

curious Q.

I find the prospect if him having seniority and power in the senate abhorring. just mho of course.

[The Count]

53. Quinnipiac also showed Lazio trouncing Hillary in 2000 - very biased

Just watch your game, Lamont supporters and ignore these kind of distractions. If the fix is not in, you'll repeat the primary victory.

[rinsd]

55. Not true...Quinnipac had Clinton in the lead for most of Aug to Nov

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11372.xml

Ignoring the polls and continuing to work hard is fine. In fact the advice I would give to any Lamont supporter.

But making shit up or calling the polls fradulent? It shows a disconnect from reality.

[The Count]

60. Oh, really? How do you explain this October surprise result then?

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x11373.xml?ReleaseID=622
Clinton Slips And It's Neck And Neck In New York Again, Quinnipiac University Poll Finds; Her Loss Shifts To Undecided More Than To Lazio
That never happened as she TROUNCED Lazio.
It's the October surprise for Quinnipiac. They had her "surge" the day before the election.

[rinsd]

62. Keep moving those goalposts!

I thought Lazio was troucinging Hillary when they show basically a 7 pt lead for Clinton for the month and then one outlier poll. This could be an outlier poll but your claim was pulled from your rectum and di no t reflect what actually happened.

[fooj]

59. I don't believe it.

How the hell can this even make sense to anyone? The fucker LOST the primary. He lost his endorsement from the union. They support Lamont now. He was slammed in the debates. He continues to offend and enrage Dems all over the country.

These polls don't jive with the reality of the situation. It defies common sense. We can't let this asshole win. He has ALREADY LOST. How can a treasonous traitor such as Joe win after he has lost? It sounds like a big bunch of BULLSHIT to me.

Why is Joe soooooooo important to the Repubs? What does he know and when did he know it?

Zogby shows 49%-43%...

[The Count]

61. We know why Joe is important to the GOP (war referendum too)

However, there is no plausible explanation for the last debate to benefit Joementum in any way.
it's what Quinnipiac does in October. In 2000 it said Hillary "slips' and they are neck in neck" - when they were no way near.

[mvd]

65. GOP helping him again

Boy, this guy makes me nearly as mad as Bush. It would be too sickening to beg for his caucusing vote. If he goes with the Repukes, he's showed he's out for himself anyway.