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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:12 AM
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This Amarah thing is being turned into a turning point of the war
So I've been reading this Kos thread with particular curiosity re: the "complete takeover" of Amarah by the Mahdi Army in response to the 19 year old brother of the sheik running the militia in that city being kidnapped by the family of the chief of intelligence of that province (a police official) who was, in turn, previously assassianted via a road bomb which the family has blamed on the Mahdi Army.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/10/20/95355/646

So what jumps out at me is this post by "un figlio della sinistra" about CNN's response:

"A CNN anchor actually said something quite prescient- Amarah is a bellweather. The reaction of the citizens of Amarah will speak volumes as to whether they believe that the militias or the security forces can protect them.
Isnt that the question throughout Iraq? Do Iraqis count on the gov't to protect them from death squads and terrorists or do they depends on militias made up of their own clansmen?
I believe that Amarah is a good answer to that question."

CNN already has had a general on who apparently said, and this is a paraphrase:

"This is a strategy of Iran. This is a test. A dual strategy of G. Marshall and ruthless like Grant in the Civil War. If they let this go it will definitely---definitely a turning point in the war in Iraq."

I think that my first paragraph says quite conclusively that this has nothing to do with Iran. Having said that, there's a call here that if the US needs to level the city of Amarah, well, you gotta do what you gotta do.

More crucially, CNN has already begun spinning this as a new test, not only for PM Maliki, but for the US military and for Bush's strategy for victory in Iraq. (Don't laugh.)

No, really, don't laugh. This is important: all of a sudden, one of those events beyond the control of an administration has reared its ugly head a few short weeks before midterm elections. All of a sudden, with the public completely soured on US efforts in that country, Bush now has an unwanted pop quiz on whether the US is "winning". The clear options are:

- Do nothing. Let Sadr keep it.

- Encourage negotiations. Let Maliki get the Mahdi Army to play nice through negotiations - which means getting Badr to release its hostage.

- Go in and level the city if need be to heroically eject the Mahdi Army, consequences be damned.

In a perfect world, I'd go for b). Badr may not play ball, though. It'll hop up and down and say, it's THAT militia which you need to take down, not ours, leave us alone! Our man was the chief of intelligence! They killed a cop! They have to pay!

Bush's legacy won't permit a). But will Bush's party's political peril compel c) because of a media and political frenzy kicked up that makes vividly and publicly crushing the Sadrist uprising (as it's being portrayed) to send a message that Bush can and will win in Iraq? And if the US military tries, is it going to succeed without causing horrific civilian casualties? There's no time for a long siege here. Also, will Bagdhad go to hell even more if the US redeploys to kick butt in Amarah?

These are not optional questions. There is no pass here. If Bush does nothing, or appears weak, he's risking looking bad to his base. A ham-handed, cruel and bloody response will make the US look more like Saddam than ever.

My point is, the media is apparently inventing a test for victory in Iraq, a tangible, definitive test which previously did not exist, and which was not invented through the US' own efforts whatsoever. This cannot be a welcome development for the Republican Party. The answers to these questions are not set in stone; they have yet to be written, possibly yet to be even conceived by those advising "the Decider".

Posted as a spur to discussion. Politics aside, just in terms of US national interests and the suffering of the Iraqi people, this could really, really suck.
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:24 AM
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1. All I see is the body count rising
on all sides. Bush** may have his very own Tet Offensive. Even if he wins the battle (I have no idea of what winnig the battle would actually mean :eyes:) this may be the straw to sway even the 19% who believe things are going well in Iraq.
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:28 AM
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2. Well, Tet was supposed to be by Sunni insurgents but...
How does losing a CITY compare with nearly losing an embassy?
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:46 AM
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4. The events don't have to be parallel
the reactions of the US public are what will be similar. Leveling a city/losing a City all the while using it as a bellwether for success will backfire politically as surely as the Tet Offensive did in 1968.
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spag68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:42 AM
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3. Amarah
Any action there will be hamstrung by rummy and bush being too paralyzed by their own fear of doing the right thing. Possibly it's time to reread the goat book.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 10:51 AM
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5. let me expand on the options a bit...
- Do nothing. Let Sadr keep it.
I agree, if bush does nothing then he risks looking like a weenie who has lost resolve and unable to make a decision

- Encourage negotiations. Let Maliki get the Mahdi Army to play nice through negotiations - which means getting Badr to release its hostage.
Negotiate? phaaa - bush won't negotiate, that would be rewarding bad behavior, it would be **gasp*** appeasing the evil-doers. Besides, that particular word hasn't appeared on his "definition of the day" calendar...

humor aside - negotiations would seem the logical first choice, but to do so bush needs someone capable of negotiating...

- Go in and level the city if need be to heroically eject the Mahdi Army, consequences be damned.
can you say COWBOY diplomacy?

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