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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:18 PM
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Roger Ailes produced Limbaugh TV show

and now he runs Fox News. (Thanks to Bartcop)

Here's a link that back's up Bartcop's claim.

"The executive producer of Limbaugh's TV show, Roger Ailes"
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1236


Good grief.

Sorry if this is old news to you guys but I am just floored.
I mean, Good grief.

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Ellis Wyatt Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:23 PM
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1. George Stephanopolous
was Clinton's senior advisor and chief of communications. Now he's ABC's chief Washington correspondent and "moderates" his own ABC show. Does that make his work at ABC completely biased? Surely, bias goes both ways, no?

My point is: People who are successes in one area, get promotions.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:25 PM
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2. Bias is not something that liberals do...
we are reality based folks, even when reality is grim.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:25 PM
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3. Bias should not even be part of this topic
Everyone and their mother knows of Ailes right wing bias. How he is comparable in any way to Stephanopolous is beyond me.

Rp
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:27 PM
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4. ...and George STABBED Big Dog in the back during the Monica bullshit.
He garnered the nickname "Judas" because of it.

Ailes, on the other hand, has been a lying reNAMBLAcan scumbag from the git-go...

What's yer point?:eyes:
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:28 PM
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5. Limbaugh's TV show was a phenomenal failure on a ratings basis,
and Fox News lost money during its first five years of existence...
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:32 PM
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8. Yep!
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 04:32 PM by Cooley Hurd
Faux was ONLY sustained by Rupert Murdoch. Without his money, it would've gone the way of the dodo:
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:31 PM
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7. If you are trying to equate
Rush Limbaugh & Bill Clinton, you are fighting a losing battle.

Rush is a drop out, Clinton is a Rhodes Scholar.
Rush has never done anything but sit back on his butt and talk, Clinton is an accomplished American Statesman.

See what I'm getting at? You are comparing apples to oranges.
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Ellis Wyatt Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:38 PM
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10. NO
I wasn't comparing Limbaugh with Clinton, of course.

I was saying that many people who are clearly partisan now work in a supposedly "unbiased" manner in the news media.

To say that bias is not something we liberals do, as was mentioned earlier in this thread is laughable. We all do. Realize it and sniff it out.
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Cooley Hurd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:43 PM
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12. "We" liberals?
:rofl:
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:50 PM
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17. Fox unbiassed?!!!!
:rofl:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 09:33 PM
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21. Kick for
:rofl:
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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:44 PM
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13. successes? limabugh's TV show was a disaster
and was cancelled after one season in syndication (spending its last days mostly in post midnight time slots-it was ratings poison)

not only did audiences see the morbidly obese Rush ironically telling people to practice self-restraint, they also got to see Limbaugh's hardcoere audience for what the were, not the blue collar folks he claims to speak for-but a bunch of pampered business suit-wearting college republicans and their parents
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Ellis Wyatt Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:49 PM
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16. that show stunk
But could Mark Burnett even have made a TV show with Limbaugh a success?

Ailes has had successes in other areas. He was one of the top Republican advisors for years.
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Benhurst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:51 PM
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18. Yeah, Roger Ailes' move from a propaganda show to heading
a propaganda network seems a reasonable career track. Besides, what was Fox to do? Josef Goebbels had killed himself years before Fox was founded. When you can't get the propagandist you really want, you have to go with whomever you can get.
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twilight_sailing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:56 PM
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19. propaganda
"Yeah, Roger Ailes' move from a propaganda show to heading a propaganda network seems a reasonable career track."

Yes, it does, doesn't it?
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:30 PM
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6. Ailes was head of FoxNews the night John Ellis called 2000 for W
John Ellis is George W's first cousin...

I know we all know that but it good to remember it, along with the Bush Family and bin-Laden Family relationship, every now and then...

PS: Jeb Bush's real name is "John Ellis Bush"--"JEB," get it?
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:32 PM
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9. correct...
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:43 PM
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11. one of the worst tv shows ever aired
a train wreck from the second he opened his mouth.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:48 PM
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14. Ailes also worked with Lee Atwater, the BFEE's original dirty player...
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1067
<snip>
Described by fellow Bush aide Lee Atwater as having "two speeds--attack and destroy," Ailes once jocularly told a Time reporter (8/22/88): "The only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it." Later, as a producer for Rush Limbaugh's short-lived TV show, he was fond of calling Bill Clinton the "hippie president" and lashing out at "liberal bigots" (Washington Times, 5/11/93). It is these two sensibilities above all--right-wing talk radio and below-the-belt political campaigning--that Ailes brought with him to Fox, and his stamp is evident in all aspects of the network's programming.
<snip>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Atwater
<snip>
Atwater's aggressive tactics were evident in 1980, when he was a consultant for Republican candidate Floyd Spence in his campaign for Congress against Democratic nominee Tom Turnipseed. Atwater's tactics in that campaign included push polling in the form of fake surveys by "independent pollsters" to "inform" white suburbanites that Turnipseed was a member of the NAACP. He also sent out last-minute letters from Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-S.C.) telling voters that Turnipseed would disarm America and turn it over to liberals and Communists. At a press briefing, Atwater planted a "reporter" who rose and said, "We understand Turnipseed has had psychotic treatment." Atwater later told the reporters off the record that Turnipseed "got hooked up to jumper cables" - a reference to electroconvulsive therapy that Turnipseed underwent as a teenager.

"Lee seemed to delight in making fun of a suicidal 16-year-old who was treated for depression with electroshock treatments," Turnipseed recalled. "In fact, my struggle with depression as a student was no secret. I had talked about it in a widely covered news conference as early as 1977, when I was in the South Carolina State Senate. Since then I have often shared with appropriate groups the full story of my recovery to responsible adulthood as a professional, political and civic leader, husband and father. Teenage depression and suicide are major problems in America, and I believe my life offers hope to young people who are suffering from a constant fear of the future."
<snip>
Atwater's most noted campaign was the 1988 presidential election. A particularly aggressive media program, including a television advertisement related to the case of Willie Horton, a convicted murderer who subsequently committed a rape while on a furlough from a life sentence in a Massachusetts prison, led to George H. W. Bush overcoming Michael Dukakis's 17-percent lead in early public opinion polls and win both the electoral and popular vote. Although Atwater clearly approved of the use of the Willie Horton issue, the Bush campaign never actually ran a commercial with Horton's picture, instead running a similar but generic ad. The original commercial was produced by an ostensibly independent group managed by Floyd Brown, and the Bush campaign benefited from the coverage it attracted in the national news.
<snip>
During that election, future president George W. Bush, the then vice president's son, took an office across the hall from Atwater's office, where his job was to serve as "the eyes and ears for my dad," monitoring the activities of Atwater and other campaign staff. In her memoir, Barbara Bush said that George W. and Atwater became "great friends."
<snip>
Shortly before his death from a brain tumor he said he had converted to Catholicism and, in an act of repentance, issued a number of public and written apologies to individuals whom he had attacked during his political career, including Dukakis. In a letter to Tom Turnipseed dated June 28, 1990, he stated, "It is very important to me that I let you know that out of everything that has happened in my career, one of the low points remains the so called 'jumper cable' episode," adding, "my illness has taught me something about the nature of humanity, love, brotherhood and relationships that I never understood, and probably never would have. So, from that standpoint, there is some truth and good in everything."
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 04:49 PM
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15. He Also Ran CNBC
Before Faux, they were trying to "spice up" the evenings in the late 80's and early 90's.

The big problem with Rushbo's show (other than the lack of truth and content) was where to place it. TV stations couldn't run it in mid days...housewives aren't ditto heads or mornings or evenings. Many stations ended up airing it at 2am or later...video graveyard.
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mark0rama Donating Member (930 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 07:13 PM
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20. Limbaugh blamed the time period for the show's failure
He criticized the stations carrying it for burying it in the middle of the night.

Funny how these right-wingers extol the virtues of the free market, but when their product fails, they always have to find someone to blame it on.
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