Shame of a Few Democrats Whose 2008 Ambitions are Clouding the Midterms!

[David Zephyr]

Here's my "Shut Up Already" Memo to John Edwards and John Kerry.

In the last two weeks, John Kerry has made multiple statements that next time he will fight back against the Swift boaters and that he "deserves a second chance" in 2008. Could someone please remind him that we are closing in on an epic situation that requires Democrats to be united for NOVEMBER 2006? Can't his ambition wait until November the 8th? Jeez!

Now, we see Elizabeth Edwards stating that she's "more hopeful than Hillary". Good grief. I like Elizabeth and John. But John's paltry second place finish in Iowa in 2004 followed by his disastrous string of primary losses and his inability to deliver even his own state of North Carolina apparently have not dampened his ambitions for 2008. After all, trial lawyer money is trial lawyer money.

So, here we are all being gleeful as hell that the Republicans are involved in a meltdown intra party civil war that rivals that in Iraq while some our our very own Democrats have already started their posturing for 2008.

Shut it up already. We are all in the trenches now over the midterms. No one wants to hear about your ambitions for 2008!

Kerry and Edwards, you are both really turning me off. Big time!

Get behind our candidates and stop showing your teeth!

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[David Dunham]

1. Go after the $32 million Dem house members have in their pacs

Plus Kerry and Edwards have much less money than Hillary. Go after her.

[David Zephyr]

4. I'm not "going after" anyone. I want the blatant 2008 campaigning to stop.

It's all about November 2006.

If Hillary mentions 2008, then she gets it, too.

The goal: The House and Senate this November. The rest is noise on the radar!

[emulatorloo]

6. I call BS - you are capable of better than this.

The press continually asks Kerry about 2008 and he continually tries to refocus them on 2006. He can not control what BS questions he is asked. He has done a lot of campaigning and fundraising for 06 candidates.

[blm]

8. Your premise is wrong. Kerry doesn't want to discuss 2008. He was hit with

the question on camera that was worded in a way to put a repeat run in a negative historic sense.

You have a problem with The Patriot Project language? That's all about calling out the chickenshits attacking OTHER Dem vet candidates. Kerry is looking out for THEIR backs and that's why he helped set it up earlier this year for the 2006 candidates.

I'm surprised you didn't know this.

[KoKo]

18. Huh? what are you talking about? n/t

[blm]

23. My post is clear. DZ can either answer it or not.

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[Mass]

9. SHe does not have to. Carville, McAuliffe, and even Bill do that for her.

Please!!!

[Stand and Fight]

2. Links, post some links.

You claim that "John Kerry has made multiple statements that next time he will fight back against the Swift boaters and that he 'deserves a second chance' in 2008". I'm challenging you to post LINKS as to when this was said by John Kerry, because if it was ever said, and I am most certain that it was not, it would be news to me and many others. He's never once said that he is running -- only that he is THINKING about it.

Put up or shut up.

[blm]

12. Kerry said he thinks the American people don't mind giving second chances

in ANSWER to an oncamera FOX question about 2008 that had the premise that Americans WON'T repeat candidates.

The media made headlines and twisted it to say Kerry says he deserves a second chance.

Y'know - I thought DUers understood how media spins, and yet.....they act like they don't.

[JI7]

14. and no mention of 2006 elections and North Korea which is what Kerry

mostly talked about.

but take the last few seconds of the interview where the media whore must get in the 2008 question and make it into some huge thing and ignore the rest.

[blm]

3. Kerry's donated more money and worked his ass off for candidates for over

18 months SOLID.

Kerry was asked in an interview about 2008 on camera, and he answered that question according to the way it was worded. They asked him in the historical sense about no repeat candidates.

He NEVER offered up that information - it was PULLED out of him. The last question he wants to answer is about 2008, because he HAS been focused so much on the candidates - EVERY DAY for well over a year.

Why don't you check what was REALLY said - the entire thing. I'm sure you can access transcripts as much as anyone else can.

How on earth did you get such an inaccurate read of what happened?

[emulatorloo]

5. um, Kerry is doing a hell of a lot for Dem candidates in 2006

raising money for them, campaigning for them, sending out mailings for them, etc etc. And saying over and over that we should be focused on 2006. So I don't know why you are attacking him.

http://www.johnkerry.com/themost/

<snip>

11 million dollars. Over 200 candidates in more than 40 states. That’s how much, together, the johnkerry.com community and John Kerry have given to or raised for Democratic candidates and committees since November 2004. John Kerry is aggressively fundraising for Democratic candidates in 2006 – making direct contributions to campaigns, attending and hosting events in the states, emailing his 3 million person list of supporters on behalf of candidates, and raising money for state parties, the DNC, DSCC and DCCC.

<snip>

Kerry has personally traveled to 24 states to appear with candidates and rally support at the grassroots. Kerry has made over 85 trips across the country to support Democratic candidates this cycle.

<snip>

[Mass]

7. Kerry and Edwards are aware of that. They are fighting for 06

campaigning throughout the country and raising money for candidates.

As for the "deserve a second chance", this is something Kerry has not said, but that was transformed from a question during the last 30 seconds of an interview made for 06, where he reminded everybody that we needed to fight for 06 until the end and that he was not ready to answer to an 08 question now.

I understand your questions, but it is an ill-funded remark. It is because they are potential 08 candidates that they make good surrogates for all these candidates, as do Hillary that you did not quote in this pst, for whatever reason.

[JI7]

10. Kerry was asked about that in a fucking interview

but dumbasses in the media plus morons on DU only spend time and posts on that rather than much of the rest of the interview which was discussion of issues like what is going on in North Korea and the current elections.

your post is just another example of talking about 2008 rather than anything else.

[Mass]

11. May be you could be doing something for 06 rather than making us lose

our time on these stupidity.

[JI7]

13. Joe Biden is the only one that has announced for 2008

why no mention of him ?

Kerry only talks about it if he is asked a question about it. but he continually says 2006 is what matters and much of the work he is doing is about that.

[blogslut]

15. Whoever registered heyjohn.org

...is hiding behind a domain privacy service. However, their other domain is not so well hidden. In fact, they are using bogus WHOIS info. Makes one wonder exactly who is behind the effort.

[globalvillage]

16. Sen Kerry is asked at every appearance,

and on every interview about '08. His standard response is that he's considering it, but now the focus is on '06. A passing remark about deserving a second chance doesn't mean that's his focus. He's also fighting people who are trying to swiftboat '06 candidates. What I heard from Sen Kerry is that he won't allow our '06 Dems to be swiftboated. If he said the same about defending himself against them, well, good for him.

Mrs Edwards is trying to sell a book. I sincerely hope what EE said about Sen Clinton was taken out of context. Otherwise, meow.

John Kerry and '06 Candidates. NO ONE has done more.

http://www.johnkerry.com/

[KoKo]

17. Agree!!! Why should we allow MSWHORE MEDIA to focus on '08

when our UTMOST FOCUS should be on getting Democrats back into power for '06?

The Repug Controlled Media would like nothing better than to FOCUS us on '08 to get AHEAD of OURSELVES and fall into their TRAPS!

Look at all the OBAMA focus by Repugs and Media Whores? Who the hell do you think is pushing this?

Let's get our focus on '06 IN GEAR before we go running off side roads and Media Corrupted "pointing signs to the byways with Obama."

Let's come together and focus on what's IN FRONT OF OUR FACE in '06????

:shrug::

[David Zephyr]

19. Thank you for catching the spirit of my OP.

I love John Kerry and John Edwards, but not as much as I will my Democrats running the House and the Senate.

The goal post is November 7. They can have at it afterwards, not before.

[emulatorloo]

20. "Kerry and Edwards, you are both really turning me off. Big time!"

was your original post. Without understanding what Kerry has been doing to focus everybody on '06 - raising money for candidates, focusing on the patriot project, campaining for candidates, etc etc etc. Despite the media's need to distract w '08 talk.


(I am not familiar w things Edwards may be doing to focus on '06)

[David Zephyr]

21. They are.

"turning me off" and I appreciate your enthusiasm for your candidate. Just save it until after November 8". By the way, I wrote a check for $1,000 to Kerry so don't lecture me about John Kerry.

[blm]

22. Except it is OTHERS talking about 08, not Kerry, so that part isn't fair.

Read the transcripts. And check the actual record.

NO ONE has donated more and raised more for Dem candidates. EVERY appearance has been about 2006 for 18 months and you want to blame him for a barbed question posed in a FOX INTERVIEW?

And alot of the 2008 Kerry talk is coming from OTHER CAMPS, drawing bead. Like that swiftsmear heyJohn site. OTHERS put it out there and you blame their target because they started another smear.

[emulatorloo]

25. I DON'T HAVE A CANDIDATE, but I will not allow you to falsely smear JK

(or any other good democrat) because you haven't done your research on ALL THE STUFF what JK has done to focus efforts on 2006.

As I said earlier, I expect much better from you.

If I didn't know better, I would think that you were trying to distract people from '06 with these ill-informed bogus claims about Kerry.

[blm]

26. I'll give him a break - the smearcamps have been taking alot of people in

the last few days. DZ has probably been so busy working 2006 campaigns he's just playing catch up to all the buzz.

But, in that same vein - David - GET THE REAL FACTS before you blow.

[emulatorloo]

27. that's why my brain is about to short circuit - the DZ I am used to almost

always the facts straight. Or gets them straight real quick.

[blm]

29. heh - hence, my break.

;)

[KoKo]

32. Hey "blm" they are trashing YOUR KERRY in favor of OBAMA.....

I'd be worried if I had a Candidate for '08 that the MSM would be hawking some guy with few credentials to the DEMS! Wouldn't you? :shrug;

[blm]

34. Why bring up Obama when we're talking about the recent smearing over

.the heavy workload Kerry took on for 2006 candidates?

[KoKo]

36. because "some folks" are "tarting up OBAMA" as the Next President Over

Kerry! That's why.....

[blm]

39. I only pay attention to Obama's votes, not peripheral stuff. He is as

welcome to join the debate as anyone else.

My concern is that more smear efforts are going on, and need to be shot down. If Obama was being smeared wrongly and deliberately, I'd defend him, too.

[KoKo]

41. You are an "honorable person" blm...what more can one say...n/t

[Bucky]

24. "John's paltry second place finish in Iowa in 2004" --- um, hang on there

Let's just let that one sink in a bit...

John's paltry second place finish in Iowa in 2004

Out of nowhere he took 2nd place in a 9 candidate field with fewer resources than most of his opponents.
I want a president who's ambitious. I expect a little display of ego from my leaders every now and then.
Your criticisms don't make any sense at all.

[upi402]

28. "What's the difference between liberals and cannibals?"

Cannibals don't eat their own.


SOS
Bummer.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. *Yawn* Politics as usual.

[KoKo]

38. "zzzzzzz" ...so stay home on your leather couch and watch NASCAR or NFL

we really don't need your vote.

:spray: You done drunk that KOOL AID...MAN....There's NO HOPE FOR YOU!

:rofl:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

40. Do you usually get that wrought up over what a pol's wife says?

The sky is falling!!! EEK!! Break out the smelling salts!!!

[KoKo]

45. Yes! I've "clutched my pearls" and vanished to my "fainting couch."

where I will lie in splendor until my "Knight" comes along.

LOL's :rofl: BTW...where's your PROOF about your charges against KOS?

Got none...so you do a "tit for tat" with me here.

[Sensitivity]

31. Is this some SELF-AGRANDIZING POST or what? JK people don't talk '08

at all as far as I know.

It is only enquiring minds like ours that speculate on it.

Last I heard, Rahm Emmanuel said he needed "five more John Kerrys" for
2006 campaigning.

I assume Edwards in doing similar work.

[dailykoff]

33. Don't believe everything you read on kos,

which is funded by the Pentagon, and don't believe anything he says about Kerry.

[Name removed]

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[dailykoff]

42. If you have information to the contrary, please share it.

Otherwise I'll draw my own conclusions, based on (a) his reluctance to discuss his funding (b) his past and (c) the lies and misinformation he regularly peddles.

You're free to draw own conclusions, too. :)

Incidentally I'm only talking about kos, not the people who post on his site.

[KoKo]

43. No...it's sounds like Repugs....who ACCUSE ONE and say BACK IT UP

and yet THEY NEVER REVEAL THE SOURCE OF THEIR CHARGES.

It's up to YOU BUDDY...not ME!

[dailykoff]

44. As I said, you can draw your own conclusions. (n/t)

[KoKo]

46. Can't Back Up Your Crap Charges...can You? so you opt out..............

hey...hey...good soldier (but for whose ARMY)..:rofl:

[dailykoff]

48. Let the media, including kos, do your thinking for you,

and they will. That's what they're paid to do.

And you'll have to enjoy the rest of whatever it is you're enjoying without me. Cheers. :)

[KoKo]

35. Let's kick this post before we go over to "KO" for our fix! Good Kick

:kick:

[Cha]

47. Well, Edwards did campaign for

Lamont in Connecticut but I agree. Enough already with the 2008 until Nov 7, 2006 is over. It's so close and we need all our people on board.

[seabeyond]

49. you are seriously bitchin at kerry, as he has been the most vocal

and work actively on 2006 right along with edwards. why dont you take a kick at dean too.

you dont even know what you are talking about