The real reason republicans are "reaching" so far and so fast.

[SoCalDem]

People rarely comment on the underlying reason..

THEY DO NOT PLAN TO RELINQUISH POWER...EVER !

Would they be putting all this presidential power in place, only to turn it over to a democrat...any democrat?

Think about it.

For decades, politicians have usually "gone right up to that line", but have always held back enough so that if and when "the other party" takes back the reins of government, the ones who instituted change are not bitten on the ass by their changes.


Almost daily we are assaulted by the latest "move" by this white house, and no one asks the salient questions.

Imagine for a moment if Clinton were trying all these maneuvers.. Would the house and senate still think these are "great ideas"? Would they be supporting this worthless war? Would they all be signing on to an endless war and the loss of personal liberty FOREVER?

After '94, congress hog-tied Clinton and fought him at every turn. Part of the reason they did this was because they KNEW it was a bad idea to allow any president to have his way too often. They were ALL ABOUT checks and balances back then.

I understand that their gray matter has been replaced by non-stop visions of 9-11, and they actually think they can "win" a war on a tactic, but the fact that they keep saying "911 changed everything", except for the families directly affected, most people's lives went on as before.

We see that with Katrina survivors too. It didn't take long until the issue became money and turf.

The republicans in charge have NO intention of ever turing over these wonderful "powers" to a democrat.

The people I am angry with are the democratic leaders who are too timid to call them on it. I am sure that more than a few have figured this out by now..

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Today's talking point, "we are the majority"

It's the american way. "The majority" wants to outlaw abortion, so make it so, and so on.

[SoCalDem]

2. They have somehow convinced our "media" that 30% is a majority

They have NEVER been much more than that.. All during Clinton's impeachment, they were still 30% and that was the pinnacle of their activism..

The ONLY reason they managed to even GET to 30%, is that that were able to cobble together a coalition between the fetus worshipers, the religious zealots, the gun-nuts, and the racists.

They are NOT a majority...BUT if they ACT like one, and are believed, they can bully their way through any situation..

[The_Casual_Observer]

3. Apparently they control a majority of the money

and that's good enough.

[SoCalDem]

5. Money does talk..

I just wonder if most people see the "end game".

What will public schools look like in a few more years when the Bible is a textbook.
What will public health be like when only rich people can get medical care?
What will happen when people cannot even afford to shop at walmart?
How many people will die from CAS? (chunky air syndrome) or DWS (dangerous water syndrome)

Who will be our ally when we have pissed off most of the world?

[loudsue]

9. They control the voting machines....and that's good enough for them.

They can be "in your face" about EVERYTHING, and there will be no retribution at the polls after the votes are "counted".

:kick:

[tom_paine]

13. Yep. It has happened before

And rarely has freedom had such weak defenders since thoswe fabled 1933 German Social Democrats.

Just about all that is really left now, aside from campaigning in what are likely laughably rigged national elections, either manually Harris/Blackwell style or electronic Diebol/ES&S style, is to see just how bad it will get and, in the end, just HOW close to actual Nazis these people can get.

I still hope and mostly believe they can't get quite that bad. I also believe they can get close, and the possibility of battlefield nukes flying around or maybe just a conventional invasion say, January 2007 (with a convenient Sept. 2006 "product rollout"), one wonders.

But the remnants of the Constitution and the need for the Imperials to "keep up appearances" keeps slowing them down. I keep envisioning, perhaps foolishly, a slower pace of escalation, that may give us 10, 20 or even 30 years of "the good life" left.

Or is that denial as bad as any Bushevik footsoldier, in it's own way?

[Zinfandel]

4. In-your-face politics, seems to rationalize & seen as tough and correct

BushCo fucks up, but yet, with their bought & paid for media (they, of course, keep the media talking heads, well paid and rich).

They are able to present it as just looking out for you though the same paid for media...Doesn't matter what the lies... They just play it, (who's to challenge or stop them)...with a one party system, the republicans & the media who BushCo has made rich, fat & happy, exceeding their wildest hopes and dreams...for an agenda they never thought they could ever achieve...while bluffing the Dems wimps (even with a 36% approval)...the Dems just fall right in line.

The media talking heads don't want to lose their rich, well paid lifestyles, they just go along...wouldn't you?

No... BushCo will (only) hand it over to another assured fascist republican and the republican OWNED electronic voting machines will take care of it, for the third time and they will absolutely ensure it...They are not just going to let their fascism take it's chances...Its already a done deal.

Electronic Voting Machines! (Diebold and ES&S already count over 80% of our "votes")!!!

And not even a whimper as to why private, (republican) companies are allowed to own our publics voting machines.

[leftstreet]

6. Evidently the wiretaps have turned up some juicy stuff

Many of our politicians (on both sides of the aisle) are acting like deer caught in the headlights.

Democracy was an interesting experiment while it lasted.

[wtmusic]

8. The spirit of J. Edgar Hoover (or Mary) lives on nt

[melody]

7. It's all about the greenstuff

Rich people such as these can afford to buy justice. They can fly their daughters, wives and mistresses to other countries for abortions. They can hire lawyers to get them out of almost any crime. They don't have to worry about justice and fairness. That's the concern of the middle class and poor. They will promote policy that supports wealth and the promotion of rich people. The media (run by rich men) will support them in their wealth-based governance. They will oppose anything that promotes liberty for poor and middle class people because it endangers their power and the escalation of their wealth. They're also just sociopaths and bullies.

What they are doing is trying to head off a swing to the left they see is here and ongoing. They're trying to destroy our rights for their own reasons.

I find it very interesting that British Columbia was solidly liberal in this election, as was Washington, Oregon and California in ours. Gosh, it almost looks like someone is trying to redraw the map.

[marions ghost]

21. yep

Rich people can afford to buy justice. That's why so many of them make good white collar criminals.

[LittleClarkie]

10. Or THIS White House could give a flying fuck what happens

after they're gone. They want it for themselves now. Instant gratification.

[mopaul]

11. they will have to be actually, physically removed

[SoCalDem]

12. and as always, they are counting on the "manners" of their

"friends across the aisle".. I CRINGE every time I see those smarmy,chinless weasels spouting the most vile comments, and getting away without much of a challenge..

[SledDriver]

14. I agree...

sadly, the only way will probably be through an extremely violent revolution and purging.

[SoCalDem]

15. kicking , screaming and holding onto the drapes

that's how he'll leave office:)

[leftchick]

16. I realized this after they stole the 2004 Election

That baby was for keeps. The democratic leaders are either in cahoots or denial. I am outa here.

[DELUSIONAL]

17. You are exactly right!

The crowd in power is really the minority -- so the only way they can stay in power is to change the rules and lie and cheat.

[SoCalDem]

18. The thing that still KILLS me is that we have never even HAD

a national "conversation" about his FIRST 'election'..

By the time it was decided by SCOTUS, the media was all wrapped up in pre-holiday stuff and since they ran with so much coverage of the recount debacle, they were eager to just jettison it all.

The investigative part of the aftermath takes lots of time and no mainstream media was even interested by that time..

The whole thing became an "out-of-sight-out-of-mind" exercise, and the way most of america thinks these days, once they quit seeing it on tv every day, it was a done deal. After an absence on tv, whenever it WAS brought up, all we heard was.."That's old news".

A c-span moderator even chastised people who called in and wanted to talk about it. I think it was Brian (wouldn't ya know) who said.. "...that election was 6 months ago, why are you still interested..."? when a caller asked about the illegitimacy of the election..


By the time some real smoking guns started showing up in the investigations, we had the WTC fiasco, and no media ever dared to question the election again.. I really think that if the WTC attack had not happened, Bush would have quit or been impeached long ago.

[ourbluenation]

20. Kinda reminds me of Saddam Hussein and Company. eofm

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. My dad has been convinced all along that they will not give up power