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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:13 PM
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Any suggestions for this letter to the Albuquerque Journal?
Heather Wilson is flat out lying when she says Patricia Madrid has flip flopped on her position on the domestic spying program. Madrid was against it before and she is still against it.

Before Bush's dismantling of the constitution, FISA courts not only could issue warrants quickly, but they could actually issue warrants retroactively, for up to 72 hours. So any terrorist call from Italy to Denver (as Wilson's ad shows) could already have been listened to before any warrant was issued, long before Bush's domestic spying program was ever even dreamed of.

Heather Wilson's ad is simply false and now she is falsely saying Madrid has changed her mind on the domestic spying program when she never said she changed her mind in the first place. Heather Wilson is getting her marching orders directly from Karl Rove. More scare tacts based on lyes. All smoke and mirrors meant to confuse the voters and scare them. Can we please get away from all this politics of fear! What is our country becoming?

The question we should be asking Heather Wilson is why Bush's Domestic Spying program, which she voted for, has done away with any kind of paper trail for intercepting calls? Now we have no idea who the government is listening to and what they are doing with that information.

Thanks Heather Wilson for dismantling our constitution.
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:19 PM
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1. I'd add something about how...
...you have to wonder why she's telling lies about national security issues. Perhaps it's because if she tells the truth, she won't have a leg to stand on, whether it has to do with keeping Americans safe from threats abroad or taking care of American families at home who are watching their wages drop, cost of living rise, and opportunities evaporate.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:21 PM
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2. Thanks, I will add that. nt
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:25 PM
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4. I'd also change this sentence:
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 11:26 PM by 1932
"Madrid was against it before and she is still against it."

to

"Patricia Madrid has always been against it."

Yours sounds too much like "was against it before she was for it" -- ie, it might remind people of Kerry's awkward quote.

And just use Wilson's last name, but use Madrid's full name every time
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:27 PM
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7. Good catch! Thanks! nt
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1932 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:34 PM
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12. Also, fewer words:
Before Bush dismantled the Constitution, FISA courts not only could issue warrants quickly, they could issue them retroactively, for up to 72 hours. Any terrorist cell "from Italy to Denver" could have been investigated BEFORE a warrant was issued.

Wilson's ad is simply false and now she lies when she says Patricia Madrid has changed her mind on domestic spying program. Wilson is getting her marching orders directly from the White House and Karl Rove, and the truth doesn't matter to them. Their only concern is frightening and confusing voters. This politics of fear is eroding the very values upon which this country is built.

If Madrid wants to talk about domestic spying, one of the many question everyone should be asking Wilson is, why Bush's Domestic Spying program, which Wilson voted for, has done away with a paper trail for intercepting calls? We have no idea who the government is listening to and what they are doing with that information.

But we have to wonder why Wilson is telling lies about national security....(add the rest from my previous post)
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stonecoldsober Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:21 PM
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3. "More scare tacts based on lyes."
Should be "More scare tactics based on lies".
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:25 PM
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5. Here is how I have changed it. Hope it's not getting too long
Heather Wilson is flat out lying when she says Patricia Madrid has flip flopped on her position on the domestic spying program. Madrid was against it before and she is still against it.

Before Bush's dismanteling of the constitution, FISA courts not only could issue warrants quickly, but they could actually issue warrants retroactively, for up to 72 hours. So any terrorist call from Italy to Denver (as Wilson's ad shows) could already have been listined to before any warrant was issued, long before Bush's domestic spying program was ever even dreamed of. The Wilson camp is just trying to confuse voters who didn't know what the old FISA laws were.

Heather Wilson's ad is simply false and now she is falsly saying Madrid has changed her mind on the domestic spying program when she never said that in the first place. Heather Wilson is getting her marching orders directly from Karl Rove. More scare tacts based on smoke and mirrors. Can we please get away from all this politics of fear! What is our country becoming?

The question we should be asking Heather Wilson is why Bush's Domestic Spying program, which she voted for, has done away with any kind of paper trail for intercepting calls? Now we have no idea who the government is listening to and what they are doing with that information.

You have to wonder why she's telling lies about national security issues. Perhaps it's because if she tells the truth, she won't have a leg to stand on, whether it has to do with keeping Americans safe from threats abroad or taking care of American families at home who are watching their wages drop, cost of living rise, and opportunities evaporate.
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:26 PM
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6. mabee
drop some double wording

could issue warrants quickly, but they could (have actualy)

false and now she is falsely (is for desperate polital reasons)

I understand your meaning but freeps get confused and may think something else.



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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:32 PM
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10. I am sure John Kerry could understand my letter
I seem to the the John Kerry wording problem.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:28 PM
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8. Good clear letter , good lead re FISA courts. . .
Featuring the disagreement over the warrants is good - to make it clear that it isn't an appropriate intelligence program Madrid would be against, but the fact that Bush wants to operate without legal oversight - Why?

This one sentence is a little confusing, because of indefinite pronoun references, too many "she"s - "Heather Wilson's ad is simply false and now she is falsely saying Madrid has changed her mind on the domestic spying program when she never said she changed her mind in the first place." Just substitute one of those last two "she"s with a name to help clarify whom you are refering to.

I like to find a way to remind people that Bush is acting like a king; that's a BIG turn-off.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:29 PM
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9. your letter edited
Edited on Fri Oct-20-06 11:52 PM by Eric J in MN

Congresswoman Heather Wilson is lying in her ads by saying candidate Patricia Madrid has flip-flopped on domestic spying. Madrid has always been against warrantless wiretapping.

Wilson is also distorting the law. The FISA court issues warrants quickly, even retroactively. So any terrorist call from Italy to Denver (as Wilson's ad shows) could already have been listened to before Bush's domestic spying program was ever even dreamed of.

Heather Wilson is getting her marching orders from Karl Rove. More scare tactics based on lies; smoke and mirrors meant to confuse the voters. Can we please get away from all this politics of fear! What is our country becoming?

Heather Wilson supports a system of government spying without oversight. Thank her for dismantling our constitution.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:33 PM
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11. That's great! Thank You! nt
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-20-06 11:50 PM
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13. You're welcome. NT
NT
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