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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:36 AM
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The American Soldier knows America doesn’t Support Him.
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
~ Rudyard Kipling

Everyone here knows Supporting the Troops does not mean supporting the war effort. That’s a Limbaughian Meme and can be discarded. But what troops know is encapsulated by popular culture. Vets are routinely “spat upon” by the American citizen.

For most it is understood on an unconscious level; A half remembered fragment of the ending of Stallone’s Rambo, a glance at the headline concerning the huge number of homeless Vets, stories of the VA losing personal data or not having the money promised the Vet for medical care or schooling. The message is clear. Once you are a used up Veteran, you are to be discarded and forgotten.

Members of the Federal Government, complain that the number of returning wounded Vets eats up to much of the budget. David S. Chu: http://pww.org/article/view/6506/1/

Distilled message: It’s better if you had died gloriously on the battlefield. Then you could have been enshrined and eulogized. Liars and chicken hawks could have placed words of Bravery on your dead lips. http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/09/28/ann-coulter-on-pat-tillman-quoti-dont-believe-itquot/

But, of course, it gets worse. Many soldiers have reservations about the war but realize their situation. An endless stream of authority figures have instilled and ensured that the individual soldier knows he is powerless. Alone he can be destroyed or ignored. And he knows fear, fear of the system and its power:

Fear of being court-martialed or going to prison.
Fear of being called a coward or a traitor.
Fear of a dishonorable discharge.
Fear of being ridiculed back home.
Fear of reprisals from others in the military.
Fear of being labeled as un-American or anti-American.
Fear of being called an anti-war pussy by some washed-up, has-been, pompous ass.

They attacked John Murtha and the Dixie Chicks. And they didn’t do anything illegal, what will they do to me?

"Everyone's your brother 'till the rent comes due."

When it comes down to it, most Americans will not want to get involved and will not help troops who resist deploying for this illegal war. It’s that simple.

It's not that people don't care but it's a combination of many things. Fear of Government plays a big part for the average American and a rightful concern over their own lives and families or, worse, concern over trivia (Fantasy Football, Paris Hilton, Dancing with the Stars). And that's what the troops KNOW. Fear, apathy, and other priorities will consume America’s attention. Any soldier who stands up against the system knows he will stand alone. America does not care.

“Cut off my head and make me a martyr. The people will always remember” “No they will forget.” We know if you don't have a family member or friend over in Iraq you can't be counted on to help.
“Someone being sympathetic to this? I don't know if I'd be sympathetic if I wasn't in the army. After you watch this, you're gonna go get your popcorn out of the microwave and talk about what I said, and you'll forget me by the end of this.” ~SGT Beatty, Gunner Palace.

And still it gets worse. Can the troop count on his elected official? No. The official is a member of the Government and when a soldier says, No Sir I won’t go, his enemy is now the entire Government. Who voted to send him there? Who won’t stand up with the moral courage to get him home? That elected official. Congressmen can’t be counted on because they have one priority, getting re-elected. If a vote comes up that is framed to make them look bad they’ll vote against bringing the troops home. Take last 19Nov05 for example. http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2005/roll608.xml

Sure, it was a Republican dirty trick, but only 3 had the courage to call for the pull-out? What message does that send to the troops? Politicians are more concerned about their seats than they are about Americans.

How many people stand with the bravest woman alive today Cindy Sheehan? Or the other Gold Star Families for Peace? http://www.gsfp.org/ How many words (spoke and written) have been spewed forth to vilify her? How much time has Sean Hannity spent in his personal mission to destroy her?

So how many can be counted on to stand with a man accused of a crime?

The American Citizen could stop this war, easily. Stop paying taxes. You want to stop a Rampant War Machine remove it’s funding, gum up the works. You get enough people causing problems for the Government and it will have to change direction, even if it is to jail those “malcontents” and forcibly come for their money. Thoreau knew this.

But, the troops understand, that kind of mettle is in short supply.

What’s worse is I’ve seen blanket post after post begin the nice downward spiral of vitriol and hatred towards all service members here at the DU. Those with the least power are expected to be the bravest and strongest and stand, alone, against the weight of this evil Regime and the apathetic onlookers?

I don’t know any other way to end this than to state: There are still 832 days until 20 Jan 2009.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:55 AM
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1. Excellent post!
Most non-vets don't realize that when you are serving you pretty much keep your opinions to yourself and just work to get the job done. Reflection and rumination is for later.

The truth will out!

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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:39 PM
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6. That's what my uncle said, he was a Marine in Vietnam.
He said you just kept your head low, did your job, and shut up. He became very much against the war several months after he returned home, and he's been against Iraq from the beginning.
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:56 AM
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2. There are a lot veterans here.
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 11:05 AM by acmejack
Hatred and vitriol is hardly my style, I know there are several VFP, folks, more than one of us, Monkeyman in the lead are working to improve the VA (a long road, I do QA as a disabled vet) vitriol and hatred hits close to home. I have seen a few ignorant threads when the rapes and the torture went down (hey, the were crimes of the worst sort) but I have seen a lot of equally supportive threads too.

On the second thought there is a lot truth to what you say, I got hung up on the last paragraph which is probably true too. But they are definitely short changing the VA big time, it is as bad as I have seen it. Closing facilities, closing clinics in the hospitals where you have to go so far to get treated, really long delays, you just give up. And I am in the system, the guys coming home while never get into it not to get treated!

Edited to expand & add Favorite Anti war tax resistor story http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol18/issue32/xtra.wartax.html
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:42 AM
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3. I'm sorry this is not directed
at those who fight with and for the troops but is more a coalescing of my thoughts from the past few years.

Service members basically know that the majority of Americans can't be bothered to actually strive and make a difference.

Vets, DU members Iraq Vets against the War, Gold Star Mothers, these are the anomalies.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:57 PM
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8. Military service is often met with lip service
... of one kind or another. It's as though the very meaning of the word "service" has been lost - beyond "want fries with that?"

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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 01:58 PM
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4. I'm going to try and kick
this a few times for the Football crowd and then maybe Monday morning.
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mediacenter Donating Member (44 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:33 PM
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5. My Son
Is in harms way and he doesn't agree, neither do I.Just sayin'
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:51 PM
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7. Welcome to DU!
I don't agree either. I guess it's "holier than thou day" on DU today.

OP, You've seen this: "blanket post after post begin the nice downward spiral of vitriol and hatred towards all service members here at the DU."? You are going to need to post some links, and not just one persons views either, to prove this to me. I have never seen anything but support for the people who serve our country, many of them DU'ers, here. Put your money where your mouth is and don't use links to the story of the 14 year old who was raped and killed along with her family, there is no one anywhere who supports the soldiers who did that. Show me the blanket posts where DU'ers don't "support the troops".
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 05:09 PM
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11. The point of the post has nothing to do
with I am greater than anyone. It focuses on the American mindset and the treatment of people who are asked to sacrifice everything; their bodies, their relationships, their lives, their very souls and the way we have become as a society.

Flags of Our Fathers is now out. Ira Hayes is a good example of the way society treats returning vets.

If you haven't seen the recent "anyone who has joined the military recently is immoral" you have not been looking. This has nothing to do with the criminals (Abu G, Hadithah, the 14 yr old girl) in the military. This is about apathy and the toss away society.

Americans simply have other concerns. Vets and those still in the service know this. They know it.
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zanne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 05:15 PM
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12. That's true
The vast majority of us on DU do truly support the troops. We worry about them, we pray for them, and we try to comfort family members when one of their own has been injured or killed. I think it's the government who doesn't care about them. And I welcome you, too.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 03:47 PM
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10. Hi mediacenter!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 02:59 PM
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9. Sorry, I *DO* support the troops, in the best way: I want them HOME
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:14 PM
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13. Well, most active duty soldiers consider their primary duty to be ...
Edited on Sun Oct-22-06 10:19 PM by krkaufman
... loyalty to their units, no? Regardless of the PR campaign, it's not an "army of one."

So they stick it out in order to defend their friends, and have to put issues such as the righteousness of a given fight onto the back-burner.


edit: Another perspective on support for the war and troops...
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:17 PM
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14. I'd be afraid of getting killed
Much more than
of being court-martialed or going to prison.
of being called a coward or a traitor.
of a dishonorable discharge.
of being ridiculed back home.
of reprisals from others in the military.
of being labeled as un-American or anti-American.


Unless they think the system is unjust, why fear court martial or dishonorable discharge? If they can get "reprisals" from others in the military, it must be corrupt.

Being ridiculed and called a coward - gee if you can't take name calling, how do you get along in the world, etc., let alone in the military?

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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:31 PM
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15. Speaking of supporting soldiers who resist
There were disappointingly few PMs in response to this thread and previous ones by DUer pecwae:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=2430151

Pecwae and I, and one or two others, have each sent Ricky Clousing a card of support and a magazine. Will anyone else do the same? So little to ask....

Come on, DU!
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:42 PM
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16. It's unfortunate but
I fully understand people have other concerns, including these important elections.

My post isn't a condemnation per se, although of course it can easily be read that way. It's more of the reality most service members understand.

Much of this comes from discussions stateside and in country I had with friends.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 11:06 PM
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18. I didn't read it as a condemnation
If anything, I'M condemning people here for being so outspoken about supporting the troops, and yet the simplest request to show that support to a deserving soldier is ignored.

It took me all of two minutes to find a card and magazine while I was shopping, and another two minutes to write a few words, seal it all up and mail it. Even easier, pecwae and I also have the website address for Ricky's legal fund if anyone would like to contribute.

It's not a lot to ask people to get off the stick and back up their words with a little action. No one is THAT busy, elections or not, if they're here posting or reading!!

I'm sorry, but the lack of involvement on Ricky's behalf just makes me :cry:. I expected more from DU.
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 07:58 AM
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19. I missed this thread, but I just sent a pm for info. Thanks for doing this
and sorry not much response but, unfortunately, I'm not surprised.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 08:10 AM
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20. Thank you, peacebaby3!
Pecwae will be so pleased, and Ricky could use the encouragement. :hug:
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 05:47 AM
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23. I've got the contact info and I'm going to try to get something out in the ...
next few days. Thanks for re-posting this.

:)
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peacebaby3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-22-06 10:49 PM
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17. Great post, genie_weenie! Thanks from the wife of a soldier/Iraq Vet!
n/t
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genie_weenie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 09:51 AM
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21. This is my last kick attempt for
the monday morning/afternoon crowd.

Thanks for the response, peacebaby3!
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-23-06 12:41 PM
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22. Kick.
Excellent post.
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