Wesley Clark is the ONLY candidate with the creds to win in 08 and

[DianeG5385]

to take on the GOP talking points. He can resolve the Iraq situation. He understands the plight of the enlisted man and how they've been screwed by the Bush administration. I seriously think if we truly believe in the best interests of this country, he's our man.

[Radical Activist]

1. Yawn

The only person I've ever ignored on DU is someone who ceaselessly cheerleads for Clark, usually making over the top statements about how great he is, and ugly comments about other candidates.

[DianeG5385]

3. Funny, I did not mention anyone else but Clark

I paid alot of attention to Clark in the 2004 race, Kerry was my candidate for most of the time but I switched to Clark when I became convinced that he really knew what he was talking about. I'm not a political operative ( though I'd love to be), and i'm sure there are many paid staffers who read this board ready to do a smackdown on any upstart candidates.

I care about my country and I believe that of the whole bunch, Clark puts America first. So yawn, if you must, I suppose in studied boredom and I hope whoever it is you are backing has more in mind for this country than a government job for you.

[Radical Activist]

5. Funny, I didn't say it was you.

I wish the Clarkies would find another forum to campaign in because it has been posted here endlessly.

[Bobbieo]

15. I wish another forum could be created

where I, as a moderate to liberal Demo, would feel more comfortable. Is there such a forum in existence now??? if so where??? Yes - I am a Clarkie fan!!!

[Catchawave]

24. There's a DU forum for Clark.....in this DU Group...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=348

Donor stars are required, I believe :hi:

[BootinUp]

30. Now don't let the nutroots scare you...

:)

[Clark2008]

21. And know one told you to open this thread.

Self-censor if you don't like it.

Yawn yourself.

[sendero]

22. There are about....

... one fourth the Clark threads as there are the "Kerry issued another press release" threads, so chill. If you have criticisms of the man, please level them here.

[Crunchy Frog]

43. I wish the Edwardians, the Obamiacs, the Kerryites and the Gorites

would do the same.

Why do you believe Clarkies should behave differently than any other bunch of candidate supporters on this board? Is it just because you think your personal dislikes (but no one else's) deserve to be catered to?

For the record,I think it's too early for this sort of thing, and we should wait until this election is finished before we go into primary mode. We weren't able to convince Diane of that over at the operative's club, though.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

17. So because ONE supporter turned you off - you now dislike the candidate?

I like Clark but also liked most of the other people running in '08 - especially Kucinich.

[Radical Activist]

19. No, the swarm of Clark supporters

that make every thread about Clark causes me to enjoy DU less. I already know I'm not supporting Clark and the fact that a thread that has nothing to do with Clark can't be posted without the same talking points being repeated for the billionth time gets really freaking old. I wish some people on DU would stop campaigning for '08 and discuss with an open mind. And no, this doesn't apply to the Clark supporters that this doesn't apply to so chill out.

[seabeyond]

42. kerry/clark is what i see. obviously i disagree clark is our ONLY

chance, wink. i like the man and if he wins the primary will be easy to be enthusiastic for him, but i want kerry, i want clark vp and then clark in 8 yrs

[Rex]

2. If we really lived by the shit we preach, we would elected DK

into office and Wesley as his VP. Never happen in Bizzaro World. In Bizzaro World, we stick George in office and tell him he's president.

[upi402]

41. Clark is a wonderful compromise, Kucinich is what we espouse

and would actually DO what we say. If we have to appease the rightists in these conditions we will assure a loss immediately afterward.

Just wait and see what happens after the midterms. If we get Dems who actually hold BushCo accountable we may see a huge tidal change. Then we can get Dems who will really change things for the better, not just change the letters after the names.

[survivor999]

4. Triple yawn.

Credo in un solo dio, padre onnipotente...

[blue cat]

6. Clark is a dem valuable asset.

If he doesn't get the nomination, he will probably get the VP.

[CJCRANE]

7. I agree

I think he's the best man for job - in the Real World.

But we live in a word of "created reality" where "stay the course" does NOT mean "stay the course".

If we ever get the real world back then Wes is the man.

[pocoloco]

8. He was the only chance for 2004 also.

[sidwill]

9. Clark would be the smart choice

US politics is more about image that issues.

In Clark's case his stance on the issues make him more of a progressive than HC, JK, HD heck even Obama, but what makes him highly electable is his image as a person with unchallengable national security pedigree. This alone makes him a "human wedge" a candidate highly appealing to moderates and independents, he would fracture the traditional Republican voting bloc while being highly apealing to progressives on the issues.

Now back to us "being smart" and putting a guy like Clark up as our candidate. Frankly we just aren't that smart, our candidate will be the typical "safe" bet like HC, Gore or Kerry all polarizing politicians who would insure a solid Republican closing of the ranks and another 51-49 dissapointment.

As for the yawns in this thread please tell us who would be a better candidate TO ACTUALLY WIN the friggin election.

[Norbu]

10. so tell me again how he lost in the 2004 primaries?

I was in a monastery at the time so I missed it

[sidwill]

12. I forgot

the "best" candidate won those primaries, a man who when asked the simple question: "Knowing what you know now would you have voted for the war?"--His response was basically "yes but technically blah-blah-blah.... " and he lost because he couldn't friggin lead.

So you were lucky being in that monastery because you were spared the sight of a mentally challenged coke head defeating a war hero who couldn't be decisive on even the simplest of questions-thats why he lost.

[Radical Activist]

16. By being the greatest campaigner with the best message of all time.

Apparently. Can't be beat. That's why the best he did was tying in OK.

[BootinUp]

27. Clark entered the race very late

He thought it was necessary to take on the Republicans directly on their horrible foreign policy as a former SACEUR NATO and four star general. But he didn't announce his campaign until I think September 17th 2003. This meant he would have no time to do the ground game in Iowa and so he essentially ceded Iowa. He was in second place in the polls in NH behind Dean, and had been moving up since December. After Kerry won in Iowa and Edwards second there was very little media coverage of Clark. Kerry surpassed him in NH and Edwards gained ground, he just edged Edwardsout for 3rd. He really never recovered any momentum as the media spent most of the time talking about Kerry and Edwards. He won the primary in OK again in a close race with Edwards, he also had some second place finishes, I think in Nevada.

If he does it again he will go to Iowa.

[DianeG5385]

46. You know what I think is really hysterical and sad at the same time?

The ability to denigrate a potential Dem candidate by his theoretical base, without considering the potential of the candidate. Some of the posts are truly sad.

So far, I personally have identified Clark as not only the most brilliant and capable candidate with the creds to back it up but also the most inspiring. Who do you, those of you who look askance at Clark, have in mind as a great democratic candidate for 2008 (and demo strategists keep out of this discussion you have filthy lucre in the game). Kerry, Gore are potentials Clinton maybe, but too polarizing. I want a winning candidate and one who can stand toe to toe with the Pukes on national security. So far, for me, Clark fits the bill.

Clark has not indicated an interest in running for 2008 but I hope he will. We will be better off if he does and if he ultimately becomes the President. I think then I'll be able to feel proud of my government again.

[Little Star]

11. I like and respect Clark. But gimme a break.

[sidwill]

13. ok

heres your break.

Now tell us why you need it.

[BelgianMadCow]

14. ONLY? I like Clark's creds, but

by the time the Dem congress is ready with the repubs, about any benevolent idiot (not saying Clark is one at all) should be able to win the presidency.

Me, I'd like Conyers or Kucinich.

[madrchsod]

18. clark- feingold would make me happy

[AlCzervik]

20. already this is beginning? I'm still recovering from the 04 primaries

and all the ugliness that accompanied it here at DU.

[Captain Hilts]

23. Agreed. nt

[saltpoint]

25. No, he isn't. Clark is amazing, intelligent, electable, and worthy of

all considerations, but he is not the lone candidate with those qualities.

We have an all-star line-up and should observe virtues across the field.

[H2O Man]

31. Yes!

Thanks for the best answer.

[WildEyedLiberal]

32. Instead of posting my own reply I'll just second yours.

Cuz you pretty much said what I was going to say anyway.

[davidwparker]

26. He is a key piece. I'd like to see him on a ticket with Gore or Edwards.

He would certainly take away national security argument from the repubs.

[DeepModem Mom]

28. He would be a great President! nt

[burythehatchet]

29. one of many

[kerry-is-my-prez]

33. Yes - we do have a lot of good people. Clark's my favorite so far.

If Gore were to get in - I'd really have a problem choosing.

[Subdivisions]

34. No he's not...jeezus!

[Bucky]

38. You think we should nominate Jeezus?

Well, he is a Democrat.

[Subdivisions]

39. Hey Bucky! LOL! Ilike the graphic. Of course Jesus was a Dem! n/t

[MrSlayer]

35. I don't know about being the only one but I do think he is the best.

He has everything you can want in a leader. Quite frankly he's probably too smart and honest to be elected but he should be playing a crucial role in the government somewhere. Secretary of State suits him well.

[senseandsensibility]

36. This very liberal DUer agrees with you

I was skeptical about Clark at first, but gradually grew to admire him. I was also a big Kerry supporter (and donor) but by the time of the election realized that Clark would have been a better choice. I still like Kerry, but I hope we pick Clark in 08.:) One thing that tells me I'm right is that the corporate media doesn't push him. Haven't we learned enough since 2000 to know that the corporate media does not have our best interests at heart?

[Bucky]

37. When Wesley Clark was born, he cut his own umbilical cord...

...using a pirate's cutlass that he was carrying in his teeth.

Wesley Clark put the moon in the sky. Those craters are just the imprints from his cleats.

Wesley Clark flosses his teeth with opera wire.

Wesley Clark invented the color blue.

The first time Wesley Clark masturbated, he blasted a hole thru the bathroom wall and impregnated every woman in a convent over three counties away.


(Hey, if it works for Chuck Norris...)

[0rganism]

40. I don't know about "ONLY", but I think he'd be an excellent candidate

The main problem is getting him through the primary. He'd be smooth sailing in the, dare I say it, "general" election.

I look forward to seeing him on the roster in 2008.

[roseBudd]

44. Clark is a man's man, and a woman's man and he's not ugly, could be

taller, but his military creds make up for that. I am a realist. And a pragmatist. Not sure he has enough charisma, but at least he doesn't emote stiff.

[BootinUp]

45. delete

responded to wrong post.

[BlackVelvetElvis]

47. I agree with you on him as far as foreign policy/intelligence is

concerned. He's a highly qualified leader.
BUT what about domestic issues/working class issues? I didn't see anything concrete on his campaign site that satisfied me.
Can you(or anyone) direct me to something (because I'm wide open at this point)?