MSNBC: Is unauthorized spying okay in times of war?

[txindy]

Well, gee, that's a tough one, given that we KNOW they've been spying on domestic peace groups. Those Quakers can be dangerous! :eyes:

So far, 72% 'No'.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3080261/

[sasha031]

1. done

[BlueEyedSon]

2. When did we declare war?

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

5. VERY good point

I believe the last time we declared war was in early December, 1941.

[dennis4868]

3. FISA allows unauthorized......

if the president goes back to the court after the fact and obtains a warrant....so this should not be the question.

The question is, should the president have to follow the law/constitution?

[txindy]

7. Interesting how it's been revealed that the Cabal fought expanding FISA

They said that it would be unconstitutional to expand those powers. Yet, now, they are doing just that. Huh. :freak:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/01/25.html#a6863

FISA lies exposed by Greenwald

My main man Glenn Greenwald, (why do you think he's on C&L now) catapults this story into the open.

"In June, 2002, Republican Sen. Michael DeWine of Ohio introduced legislation (S. 2659) which would have eliminated the exact barrier to FISA which Gen. Hayden yesterday said is what necessitated the Administration bypassing FISA. Specifically, DeWine's legislation proposed: to amend the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978 to modify the standard of proof for issuance of orders regarding non-United States persons from probable cause to reasonable suspicion. . . .In other words, DeWine's bill, had it become law, would have eliminated the "probable cause" barrier (at least for non-U.S. persons) which the Administration is now pointing to as the reason why it had to circumvent FISA...read on"

Not only did Bush have the power before, but now their own excuse is destroyed. As others have noted, the WaPo and the LA Times are on the case now. Let's hear what Hinderaker has to say now. Iguess we'll have to wait till Rove comes up with something first.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. done eom

[HereSince1628]

6. But it was authorized...by Bush.

Why not just call it unlawful?

[sarcasmo]

8. Kick and Nom for all to vote 73 percent NO.

[DemInDistress]

9. NO 74%

[OneAngryDemocrat]

10. Done, and kicked...

Visit my anti-war website, www.shockedandawful.com

[BR_Parkway]

11. How many different ways will they ask this until they finally get a number

that puts Shrub on top?

Every day there's several polls, all of them asking over and over but in different ways.

Here's one M$M that you can use to bolster your tax breaks(mis)Administration:

If Osama calls YOU to attack Christmas and your church and try to covert you to homosexuality while driving around in a his welfare Cadillac that gets issued to all illegal immigrants upon touching the sanctified soil of the US that God himself has blessed - would you be ok with the President listening in?

[txindy]

12. With 842 responses, now at 74%

:kick: for votes! :patriot:

[NewJeffCT]

13. 74% now

should be 100%...

[chat_noir]

14. Someone needs to send results to Katie Couric so she will be informed

and not make a fool of herself again, as she did this morning with Howard Dean.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=245010

[Poiuyt]

15. Still 74% no. Keep voting

[bigwillq]

16. Done

Is unauthorized spying okay in times of war? * 1003 responses


Yes
27%

No
73%

[laruemtt]

17. now 'No' 74% n/t

[Sydnie]

18. 73% no - going down?

Is unauthorized spying okay in times of war? * 1088 responses


Yes - 73%
No - 27%

[Avalux]

19. What's this "war" crap?

If they're talking about the ill-defined war on terror, it'll never end. That's the plan though, right? Keep saying we're at war to do whatever the hell dumbass wants.

[Vidar]

20. done 72% no

[txindy]

21. Down to 71% with 2000+ responses

:kick: for votes! :patriot: