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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 10:55 AM
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Bush says he didn't break the law, but he decided the law was unusable
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 11:06 AM by Armstead
In his pres conference, he just made a statement that an honest press would point out.

A reporter asked why he circumvented the FISA law. Bush replied that he did not circuymvent or break the law....BUT he addd that he had decided the FISA law was not workable today, and so he didn't follow it.

In other words, he decided the law was inconvenient because it was outdated, so he circumvented it.

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BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 10:59 AM
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1. frist and delay can use that defense
In fact its the only defense they would have. Frist would say laws against insider trading are unworkable and delay would chime in the same about money laundering. Why doesn't bush tell the truth that "conservatives" do not think laws apply to them? Their base will certainly continue to support them; because their base does not give a ratsass about this country or constitutional liberties.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:01 AM
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2. Anybody can uise that defense
"I broke the speed limit, officer? Well that speed limit was set in 1960. Cars are much different today, so I decided it is no longer is feasible."
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:02 AM
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3. TOAST
"We looked at the FISA law and we determined that it just wasnt adequate."

Translation: "We broke the FISA law."

OOPS.

Reminder to Repukes - DO NOT LET BUSH SPEAK FREE-FORM, HE WILL INDICT HIMSELF.

TOAST.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:02 AM
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4. Tell it to the judge.
He has just plead guilty, no ifs ands or buts. Can't you see yourself going to court and telling the judge: "I didn't break the speed limit laws. I just found them outdated and inconvenient and so I didn't follow them." What kind of idiot argues that?

The FISA law was specifically passed to limit the executive's authority to snoop. It targets Bush and his power very specifically. What makes him think he can ignore a law that specifically applies to him and his office? How in the world did this guy graduate from high school much less become president of the US?
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:03 AM
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5. Well, That's A Confession If I've Ever Heard One
Good grief, what's it going to take to stop these madmen?
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michiganbuckeye1970 Donating Member (59 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:03 AM
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6. Today I stop obeying the speed limit
It just doesn't work for me anymore.
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:11 AM
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14. And the tax laws? Really, really unusable for me. n/t
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:04 AM
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outdated laws
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Amendment III
No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.

Amendment IV
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Amendment V
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

Amendment VI
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Amendment VII
In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.

Amendment VIII
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.


Amendment IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

Amendment X
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.


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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:04 AM
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7. recommended but- - - - puh-leeze - -
(hit the spell check!)
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:05 AM
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8. I know, my typing sucks
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Beer Snob-50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:05 AM
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9. can you imagine if that was bill clinton?
everyone would have a nutty.
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:07 AM
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10. I know, it would be played over and over
It wa a "meaning of is" moment.

But of course the media mavens will ignore it.
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:09 AM
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11. Armstead, thanks for pointing out a truth the press failed to point out..
The law was created in 1978. It was outdated. But he didn't circumvent it. That sounds like he "broke the law"...Well, (in my best Nixon voice) "I did not break the law".
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:09 AM
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12. The law was UPDATED AND AMENDED in 1995
Its not out of date.
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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:10 AM
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13. ADMISSION OF GUILT!
He said he didn't follow the law.

He decided it didn't apply to him.

IMPEACH!!!!
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Dawgs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:11 AM
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15. Exactly...
This is an admission.

Play this quote, along with the one from 2004 where Bush said wiretaps are necessary, and we can start impeachment hearings today. The great thing is that this is easy to explain to the American people.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:12 AM
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16. He said the FISA law was written in the 70s and it's 2006 and the
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 11:12 AM by Hubert Flottz
Fisa law is now very much outdated. By that same standard, the US Constitution was written over 200 years ago, yet Bush swore upon the Bible, in front of God and the people of the USA, to uphold and defend the Constitution. Isn't Bush trying to have his Kate and Edith too!

Does he also think the Constitution is outdated and moot also?
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rpgamerd00d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:16 AM
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18. FISA was UPDATED AND AMENDED in 1995 - its not "out of date"
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:34 AM
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23. Well that Bible after all is pretty damned old
I mean come on now-when was that thing written? A couple thousand years ago?

What's wrong with you people bush is just a *modern man* (sarcasm off)

God I am pissed I missed this press conference!

The a-hole had enough stupidity to admit he broke the law because he felt it was outdated?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:14 AM
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17. So Much For The War On Drugs
Silverspoon just gave every person arrested on a drug charge the ideal out. The law was just "unworkable". People with medicinal marijuana can say "Well, with my illness, the law was not workable." People who are dealing can say "Well, given my business, the law was unworkable."

So, Silverspoon just declared an end to the war on drugs. Nice going!
The Professor
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:19 AM
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19. You know, today I decided that my 9-5 work schedule was unusable

So I clocked off at 2:30 and went for a walk.

---------------------------------------------

There is no limit to the sheer brainlessness of this boob.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:19 AM
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20. That's exactly the way I heard it too...
reporter: "Do you meet with lobbyists"

Bush: "I try not to"

What fucking moron...
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:21 AM
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21. can we get this on "greatest" for visibility?. . . n/t
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young_at_heart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 11:30 AM
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22. Did he alone, make the decision that the LAW was not workable?
Wouldn't he need to get "permission" to change the law or strike out on his own?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:05 PM
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24. Don't know if he pesonally made the decision, but it doesn't matter
He approved and condoned it.
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:08 PM
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dupe
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 12:09 PM by CantGetFooledAgain
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:08 PM
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25. I find the law against robbing convenience stores unworkable.
Anybody need some chips?
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Armstead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 12:34 PM
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26. And another thing -- What has really changed regarding phone calls?
Edited on Thu Jan-26-06 12:35 PM by Armstead
Since the NSA controversy is about telephne calls, what ha really changed substantially that makes FISA "unworkable" in a legal sense?

Sure we have newer technology, like cell phone, Internet telephone, etc. But the basic concept of a telephone call is the same as it was in the 20th Century. A private conversation between two people carried over an electronic delivery system.

The tools may be different but the principle is the same. If you have legitimate cause to listen in on private converations, you have to show that to a third party from the judiciary.

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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 01:50 PM
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27. It's pure arrogance, plain and simple
He's DARING anyone to call him to task for his admitted lawbreaking. He knows the Dems have neither the spine nor the numbers to challenge him.

And my guess is, he's right. Until MAYBE later this year.

Bake
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-26-06 08:14 PM
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28. gee I wish I could do that!. . . .n/t
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