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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:15 PM
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Latino and black voters may be reassessing ties to GOP..
Edited on Tue Oct-24-06 10:18 PM by madfloridian
It appears to have several factors involved in it. The immigration issue is one, the lack of funding of faith-based initiatives perhaps. It appears David Kuo's book "Tempting Faith" may have shown the these groups that the Bush administration really does not care that much about them or about those of faith.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-outreach24oct24,0,2488402,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

WASHINGTON — A major effort to draw Latinos and blacks into the Republican Party, a central element of the GOP plan to build a long-lasting majority, is in danger of collapse amid anger over the immigration debate and claims that Republican leaders have not delivered on promises to direct more money to church-based social services.

President Bush, strategist Karl Rove and other top Republicans have wooed Latino and black leaders, many of them evangelical clergy who lead large congregations, in hopes of peeling away the traditional Democratic base. But now some of the leaders who helped Bush win in 2004 are revisiting their loyalty to the Republican Party and, in some cases, abandoning it.

Complaints among black pastors who had been courted by the White House — while less pronounced than those of Latino leaders — have been fueled by a tell-all book by former White House aide David Kuo. The new book says that Bush, referring to pastors from one major African American denomination, once griped: "Money. All these guys care about is money. They want money."

"There's a growing frustration and anger in the black religious community nationally as the Kuo book makes the rounds," Rivers said. "Meetings at the White House show you the door, but they don't necessarily open the door."


It looks like the border fence may have played a role for many in those communities. Even the threat of a law being passed to criminalize aiding those thought to be illegal...angered many as well.

Bush won an estimated 44% of the Latino vote in 2004. While polling numbers vary, many analysts said that represented about a 9-percentage-point improvement from 2000, suggesting that Latinos might become a substantial pillar upholding a durable Republican majority. But in recent months, Democratic activists watched with amazement as Republicans pushed into law a 700-mile fence along the Mexican border and tried to make it a felony to migrate illegally or to help undocumented immigrants. The latter provision did not become law, but it especially angered some church leaders, who said it would have criminalized their religious duty to help the least privileged in society.

Despite Bush's lobbying for an immigrant guest-worker program, favored by many Latinos, conservative lawmakers in the House refused to bend, forcing Bush to endorse the fence legislation and dimming his popularity among Latinos.


Howard Dean discussed these communities in a interview recently with Tavis Smiley.

Tavis Smiley interview with Dean

Tavis:I was just reading this morning a new study that finds that there will be, there are, seven percent more Hispanics eligible to vote this time around than there were in the election two years ago. How do you see those Hispanic, those Latino votes going this time around?

Dean: We know how they're gonna go, because we met with a great many leaders in the Hispanic community, including Hispanic evangelicals who supported the president the last time who are not supporting the Republicans this time because of their very harsh view about immigration. Even today, in places like Oregon, they have candidates for governor, for example, asserting that illegal immigrants vote and using that as a witch hunt issue.

Well, illegal immigrants don't vote in Oregon. They (the Republicans)just lie. This is typical Republican stuff, divide and conquer. The problem is they’ve taken on a very fast-growing group of voters. We know what Hispanics think of what the president has done. It’s now 80-20 in the Hispanic community in favor of the Democrats, instead of 60-40, as it was two years ago.





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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:19 PM
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1. I hope they do, the GOP has only one use for all who are not of
...the pure aryan blood lines of real republicans, their votes and their money, that is all...oh and their kids to fight and die in their wars.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:35 PM
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2. I think the Kuo book has had more influence that some thought.
:hi:
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wholetruth00 Donating Member (576 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 08:34 PM
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16. If latinos and blacks would unite they would be an awesome political
force. They certainly have more in common in America than their differences.
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:36 PM
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3. There you have it, the GOP strategy: Divide and conquer.
It's really hard for me to imagine 44% of Latinos voting for bush, even considering the abortion issue, because Little Boots and his family are the epitome of rich, condescending uppity white folks who think their sh*t don't stink and that's why minorities should be happy to wipe their butts.
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:37 PM
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4. and once they catch wind of the Pimp abortion commercial
Repugs will lose 99% of the black vote, tout suite!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:49 PM
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5. What's that?
I missed that. :hi: What commercial?
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ecstatic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 10:56 PM
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6. OMG! a must read!!
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-24-06 11:21 PM
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7. That's horrible.
I missed that. Thanks. I guess I should believe anything by now.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:06 AM
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8. LOL
When I heard that blacks were reassessing their view of the GOP I thought they were thinking of voting for them.

As if a black person in their right mind (unless they've got the ass hole selfish repuke gene or the batshit crazy fundy gene), could vote republican after Katrina and everything else over the last six years.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:06 AM
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9. More interesting comments:
""There is a fissure, and I doubt it will be closed in this election," said the Rev. Luis Cortes Jr., a Republican who founded the annual National Hispanic Prayer Breakfast that has featured Bush every year since 2002. His Philadelphia-based Esperanza USA boasts a national affiliate network of more than 10,000 churches.

The Latino backlash has grown so intense that one prominent, typically pro-Republican organization, the Latino Coalition, has endorsed Democrats in competitive races this year in Tennessee, Nebraska and New Jersey. The coalition is chaired by Hector Barreto, the former administrator of the Small Business Administration under Bush; its president is a former strategist for the Republican National Committee."

These are pretty serious statements.
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KingFlorez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:20 AM
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10. It's not surprising
The Republican Party has tried to reach out to minorities, but it's just not working. After Katrina, their chances of getting Black votes plummeted sharply. The tone of the immigration debate has caused Hispanics to turn on Republicans.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:25 AM
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11. Exactly WHAT ties are these? The GOP has about 3% of black...
.... support.

It's white folks who support republicans - and those who'll do anything to pretend they are.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 12:31 AM
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12. I was confused about that as well.
But I did not want to assume. I am not black, and was not sure. I do know what is going on in our conservative area of Florida. Our group works closely with a church in the black community, their pastor is a state party leader.

They are very much Republican in their views about women's right and gay rights. They preach it from the pulpit. So there is a community of support for Bush.

I think many will deviate this year though, even here. The war was the factor.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:34 AM
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13. I'm not black either - don't have to be just to state facts... sheesh.
Edited on Wed Oct-25-06 09:51 AM by BlooInBloo
EDIT: It's hilarious though how white folks are absolutely convinced that black folks are SOOOOOO different from black folks that they can't say anything about them simply because they're not themselves black.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:37 AM
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14. I don't spout percentages when I don't know them.
It has nothing to do with skin color. Your post bothers me on many levels.

I posted something, I did not research percentages...I did not say anything prejudiced. I pointed out that I knew our area. I do because I have worked on the voter files and worked with people.

This was a decent thread until you implied prejudice on my part,and I resent it.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 07:59 PM
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15. Wah. Not having %'s wasn't the reason you gave. Not being black was.
If you don't like it, look at what *you* said, rather than whining about someone who actually paid attention to what you said.
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