Is the Democratic Party falling for another lie? Are we that stupid?

[frankly_fedup2]

The Republican CONServatives are awfully easily coming to the left these days. It just makes me think that they want to lose. They made this mess and they don't know what to do about it.

Get the electronic voting machines out again: however, make sure they vote the Democrats in. Make sure the hackers understand what they need to do. They've made their profits and so have their cronies. Why else would they want to be in the majority? There is nothing left to destroy.

Are we being set up again? I swear I do not understand why one Democrat would want to take the place of any Republican and the mess the Bush Administration has left behind on their alter of greed, oil, and blood.

It's as if this election is being carefully coordinated . . . just like the last 4. I don't know but I keep getting this feeling of dread about it all and to be honest, I'm open to conspiracies" but this would be so far fetched . . . but yet I cannot quit thinking about it.

[ClassWarrior]

1. Yeah, let's never take responsibility for ANYTHING!!

:eyes:

NGU.

[frankly_fedup2]

11. No one is giving up. I think the Democratic Party Leadership

has stood up and taken more responsibility for all this bullshit then they should have. They believed a lie and have admitted to it. I'm talking about something completely different here. I know they stole the elections, starting with 2000, and continue to do so. Why wouldn't you think they would twist it the other way around so they could blame it ALL on the Dems. It's not so far fetched if you really think about it.

[ClassWarrior]

15. We take power, WE'LL be the ones determining the blame and serving justice.

Who cares what Bill Orally and the blowhards say?

NGU.

[ecstatic]

2. I said before, they probably want us to win this time, so they can steal it

again in 2008, no questions asked. If we win in 06 they can use that to show that the machines are not rigged. Then they'll use the 'Americans rejected Dem values' line in 08 when they steal it again. Of course, if Dems are foolish enough to fall for it again then I'm done with the party anyway.

[msongs]

3. or i dems win we can make sure it doesnt happen in 2008 :-) nt

[butterfly77]

27. During these two years...

they will begin to set up their traps.

[frankly_fedup2]

32. There is a special coming on HBO regarding stealing the vote.

It's a documentary that will be coming on the next couple of weeks. The previews show one woman crying after the last election in disbelief and saying, "How can these things happen in my country?"

It looks like it is going to be good. They are going to show how easy it is to hack into any of the programs.

Who was it that said "It's not the voters that win an election but the people who count the votes."

[frankly_fedup2]

38. I think I'm already there. (nt)

[bluedeminredstate]

4. Not that farfetched.

You can count on this: if the Dems regain power of Congress, Bush will blame the past six years of collosal failure and absolutely zero acheivement of anything that HELPS this country on the Democratic Party's TWO YEARS of oversight of his administration. The GOP paralysis of the previous SIX years will be forgotton, unmentioned and he'll have the media pushing that bogus story as well.

:banghead:

[frankly_fedup2]

12. This really haunts me. I don't know what to do so that we can

take control; however, has anyone heard any really meaningful plans for the mess in the middle east from either side? Seriously. If you have puhlease share.

[BlueJazz]

5. One of the problems I feel the Democrats will have is they will...

...have to win both house and Senate and proceed to change all the Laws that the Repugs
have crammed down everybody's throat. If they DON'T Win both, then the right wing Media will
blame the Democrats when the Economy truly does collapse.
(Everything was fine until the Democrats won in 2006)

[LSK]

8. the democrats will not have enough votes to override Bush vetos

The next 2 years is all about hearings.

[BlueJazz]

13. Quite true and that's the problem with the whole scenario.

If we don't change the Laws, we'll be crucified in 2008.

[frankly_fedup2]

17. Pelosie has already said that there would be no impeachment

against Bush/Cheney. I think she is speaking too soon.

I also know there is going to have to be a draft. Do you think the Republicans want to be responsible for that? They caused the problem but they aren't going to finish it. I hope they burn in H*** where they belong.

[kestrel91316]

19. I could forgive Pelosi this one time if her statement about impeachment

should prove to be a bald-faced LIE, lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A girl can dream, right?
Two can play at the lying game, I think.

[LSK]

6. huh?

:shrug:

[porphyrian]

7. Let them, and then hold them responsible when we have power.

It's their mess, and we'll still clean it up. But their asses are going to pay for it.

[Grebrook]

9. Is there any real point to this thread other than to try to demoralize Dems? If not, please stop

[LSK]

10. no

[frankly_fedup2]

14. Yeah grebrook. That has been my plan all along. You are so

quick with your short smart*** replies but what about answering the question. I've been here since I saw the DU sign during the coronation of Dumbya. They only count from the time I started donating (I have wondered why that is). My goal is to demoralize our leadership. Not like any RepubliCUNTS wouldn't think of such things, huh? Would you know about that?

[Crunchy Frog]

18. I actually remember when you first started posting here.

I remember finding some of your posts rather peculiar, to say the least.

[frankly_fedup2]

21. Oh crunchyfrog, so you have been here since the beginning,

January 2000? Your profile says 2003. If you find them odd, please do a search and post some of them. I would like to see how odd I am for having an opinion that may be different from yours.

[Crunchy Frog]

31. Whatever you say,

But your profile says January 2004, and I couldn't do a search for the posts in question because they were deleted. I didn't say that they represented opinions different from mine, just that they were very peculiar looking. I couldn't say more or my own post would get deleted.

And DU has only been around since Jan 2001, so you couldn't have been here since Jan 2000.

That's all I have to say on the subject.

[Crunchy Frog]

35. Just wanted to add that

a search of your posting history reveals your first non-deleted posts to have been made on Feb 13 2004, on which date you also became a donor. On the posts that you made on and around that date, you clearly and openly reveal yourself to be a new member of this board, and are recognized as such by other posters. I can post links if you'd like me to.

I'm calling BS on your claim that you've been here since the beginning.

[Crunchy Frog]

16. You've convinced me.

I'm changing my votes to Republican. That'll show 'em huh?

[frankly_fedup2]

22. What's wrong with you? Don't make light of a serious subject or are

you only 10 years old? Seriously crunchy frog, your responses are not funny. This could really happen.

First you insult my intelligence and call some of my previous posts "somewhat weird" and now you're joking about it. I'm looking for possible ideas and answers if this were to be the fact.

Yet in an odd, silly kind of way, like you, I wish I could find humor in it all, but the last six years have been a frigging nightmare in my opinion.

[stopbush]

20. But Ds are ALWAYS cleaning up the mess left by Rs.

Carter had to restore honesty to the WH after Nixon destroyed it. Clinton had to fix the economy that Reagan destroyed.
And the next D president will have a helluva time fixing the mess bush has made. Believe me, it will take more than 8 years
to do it.

The Ds need to totally emasculate the most rabid Rs. The Rs need to get back to being Goldwater Republicans. Then we might
have a chance at being "a people" once again.

The biggest shame - even if we can miraculously put our country back together in 8 years, bush has created hatred for the USA that
will outlive most of us posting on this board today. Sad, but true.

[frankly_fedup2]

30. Carter claims "HE" was the one that ended the Cold War as well. He

says all those that say Reagan did it are talking out of their a**es. (Well, maybe not that bluntly). He just never explains how he ended the Cold War. I know Reagan didn't win it by saying those few words about bringing a wall down (as the right neoCONS would have us believe).

[Crunchy Frog]

34. Do you have any link to Carter making that claim?

Actually, I've always felt that it was mostly Gorbachev who ended the Cold War. Of course, may other people had a hand in it as well, and I include Reagan in there, as well as Carter, and the Pope, and Sakharov, and Lech Walensa. Largely Gorbachev though.

[Bridget Burke]

23. I'm not that stupid.

But I can't speak for everybody. I hope we win in 2006 & win big.

(By the way--your Teddy Roosevelt quote reflects the xenophobia rampant as WWI ended.)

[LynnTheDem]

24. Love of country.

It's very much easier to say hell with it. Fuck it. Let them clean their own bloody mess. Knowing the rightwingnuts can't & won't clean up their own mess.

So what to do?

Sure it's easier by a long shot to sit back and be smug, watching while the rightwingnuts continue to fuck up America out of existance.

Digging in, tossing out the rightwingnut trash, and doing the cleaning up is dirty work and we won't ever be thanked by the mess-makers for doing it.

But when you love your country, then you just dig in & start tossing the trash.

[havocmom]

28. BINGO!

on da nose: Love of country. For many, it is more than a slogan.

[frankly_fedup2]

33. I agree with you 100% and I'm not saying "to Hell with it". But how are we

going to end this unbelievably cruel, evil, bloody war. You talk like a hurricane just hit and all we have to do is push up our sleeves and get busy. Well, we know that doesn't work. So are we all going to Iraq to outnumber them? What the Fuck is the plan?

As for sitting back and being "smug", I've only seen the right do that. I never said that we couldn't nor wouldn't try to do anything, I said they don't want to have to clean up their mess, as per usual, and that is why I feel the vote will be manipulated again. They don't want to have to deal with any of this anymore. They did it to fill their pockets and they have done that very well. They wanted the new pipeline and they got that going. They wanted 14 new military bases over there and they are being built and bombed and built and bombed, same as the pipeline. They don't care about the deaths of our young people over there or the children that have died. They don't see it but our troops do everyday. Can you imagine what they live like everyday?

I'd just like to know what the plan is for getting our troops home without causing more loss of their lives and more innocent Iraqi's dying. How do we do this? They went in there without a plan for exit. I honestly think they thought that the Iraqi's would lay down their guns just like they did in the Gulf War, and run to them in surrender. Problem is, they didn't count on the terrorists moving in and taking over.

Now were talking over 3,000 of our troops murdered and over 11,000 wounded. Then there are over 600,000 Iraqis dead. I've heard people call into CSPAN'S Washington Journal with the "Bomb 'em off the face of the Earth plan." That's about all I've heard.

I have heard to slowly move small amounts of our troops out and continue to build up the Iraqi army. One problem though . . . how many of those Iraqi soldiers have our troops trained to kill the terrorists; however, they are terrorists and are learning the weaknesses of our military in return to kill our troops, and eventually to come here and take over this country. Don't think it is feasible? Aren't their a couple million Muslims living in this country already? And I don't believe that BS Islamo-facist stuff. If that were true, then why did all the clerics call for the death of the cartoonist that did the cartoons of Muhammad? That is just plain extreme for all of the religious leaders of a religion to do that.

This is insanity.

My father, who passed away 5/17/06, was a WWII veteran. He was my political sounding board and me his. I cannot even begin to tell you how much I miss him.

Before he died, he told me that Iraq was a lot like Japan. (He has tons of pictures I should upload somewhere for him). When he was in Japan after the bombings, he was there to help with the cleanup. He said they would put bombs on their children. That was an honor for a child (with no choice) to kill American troops. They hated us because we destroyed two of their biggest cities and killed millions of innocent people, even though they were warned we were going to bomb them. But that enemy too had no fear of death and believed in their reward and their families rewards in the after life more than this life. They have no doubt about how they will be rewarded. Can you imagine that kind of faith in America?

One thing I never understood was how the Holocaust was allowed to happen. My father told me that the U.S. had heard rumors, saw a few pictures, but that the U.S.A. government didn't know what extreme it had gotten to until we took over Germany. It was too late then. I guess a fair comparison would be some countries in Africa now.

We have destroyed the Iraqi's country and for what? They still don't have regular electricity after 3-1/2 years! Do they even have running water? We were told the "oil" would pay for the war. WHAT!

Bush and Cheney, whom the latter was busy during the mid 90's to getting those no-bid contracts for his company, Halliburton, and Dumbya was busy executing as many people as possible as the Governor of Texas. Oh yeah, clearing brush on his ranch too. That is why Cheney was so eager to be the VP.

Poppy Bush had asked Cheney to help his son pick a cabinet for if he won. Cheney handpicked everyone sitting on their piles of money stolen with blood all over them. When it came to the VP, Cheney asked Bush, "Well, what about me?" They claim Bush was thrilled. Cheney knew then what he would have to do and that was get a war going so everyone would fill their pockets. Everyone he knew that is, not regular people that work and live week-to-week most of the time.

I know the Democrats will at least try. Personally, I cannot imagine a politician fixing any of this. Politics, religion, and greed is what started it. Our military cannot even shoot unless shot at first over there.

No matter what is done, it will never be enough OR they will claim if it were not for them, it would have never ended and on and on and on.

Plus, we got Bush until 2008. That means until after he is voted out, and when a Democrat wins, the Senate and the House, even if we get majority of both (which should tell someone somewhere the s*** stinks), B*** will VETO everything the Dems try to get through.

Two more years of this crap. Two more years of murdering our troops and deaths of innocent women and children and elderly Iraqis. Two more years of no answer for anything.

Sorry so long.

[dr.zoidberg]

25. Hey, now...

There is still two weeks or so until the elections. The Democrats can still snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. So...does anyone want to make any guesses on how they will botch it?

[onenote]

26. yeah, Let's lose. That'll show 'em. Posts like this make your head spin

Posts like this make my head spin. Things are so bad that a rational person wouldn't want to be elected, but at the same time the public apparently would vote to keep the folks responsible for the mess in power unless the voting is rigged to turn what would be a Democratic loss into a Democratic victory.

Right. Like I said, it makes one's head spin.

[leftofthedial]

29. what do you suggest?

that we just wait around until the repukes "fix" everything they've broken?

:shrug:

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. NO! They do NOT want to lose because they are going to be INVESTIGATED

and as we all know, this is the MOST corrupt administration in American history! They will all end up in JAIL when the truth is revealed and with John Conyers leading the investigations, IT WILL BE REVEALED.

[frankly_fedup2]

37. You're very optomistic. I hope you are right. (nt)