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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:53 AM
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O'Reilly: The Left-Wing Press and the Terrorists in Iraq Have Something in ...

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The Left-Wing Press and the Terrorists in Iraq Have Something in Common
By Bill O'Reilly

As we predicted, the Iraqi insurgents are killing as many people as possible in the days before the American election. The terrorists want to damage the Bush administration. And so does the left-wing press. They are pounding the Iraq mess furiously so Americans will vote for the Democrats.

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Now the far left is not going to admit that and that angers me. They continue to say the Bush administration lied and deceived. You can make an argument the Bush administration is not competent, but calling it evil as many of these loons do is simply irresponsible.

Finally, I asked David Letterman last night if he wanted the USA to win in Iraq. He wouldn't answer. That's the same thing that happened when I put the same question to Rosie O'Donnell. Talking Points simply cannot figure that out. A stable Iraq helps everyone in the world and badly damages the terrorists and Iraq. That's why the killers are blowing stuff up. They don't want a stable Iraq.

But we should want a stable Iraq, even though it may be impossible. I hope not.

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noahmijo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:54 AM
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1. "What exactly is winning Bill?"
That would be my question if he asked me if I wanted the USA to win in Iraq.

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:55 AM
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2. Well he's right A stable Iraq would be nice
But on who's terms and in what way? And, since it seems highly unlikely, is that really where we should be betting the farm?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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LynnTheDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 09:57 AM
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3. ROTFLMAO!!!
Sorry but come on, you have to laugh at such an incredibly stupid little man making such an incredibly stupid remark!

Yes, O'Really, all the "terrorists" in Iraq (they are of course in Iraq coz they're Iraqis, but never mind that; were we Americans invaded & occupied, we wouldn't even think about fighting back & defending our country) sit around for the 40 minutes a day they get electricity in Iraq and watch Faux Mews and CNN and C-Span to monitor our elections!

They don't need or care about food. Water. Medicines.

Hell no!

They just care about making you republicans look bad and helping us Dems to win US elections!

ROTFLMAO!!!

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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:00 AM
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4. When Iraq defines what "winning" is, then you have your "talking point",
Bill, you weasel-faced, fascist, no-brained, greasy, morally bankrupt fuck.

Until then, stfu, you've already left volumes of your stupidity on the airwaves and library shelves; stop removing any doubt of your idiocy for even the most ignorant of our populace.

Er, sorry, guess actually having to watch video of him as Wes Clark handed him his ass was a bit much for me. I normally avoid him at all costs.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:02 AM
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5. I have something in common with Castro.
I like Cubano sandwiches and the occassional toke off a fine cigar. :shrug:

wtf?
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:02 AM
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6. "I asked David Letterman a question which has no answer..."
"And now, like a gleeful child, I'll cackle
over his refusal to play my stupid, no-win
mind games. Victory is mine!"
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The2ndWheel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:04 AM
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7. I love when Talking Points shows up
Like it's a person. Talking Points can't agree with this. Talking Points has an opinion. Talking Points is crazy. Talking Points likes his chicken spicy!
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Liberal_Dog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:22 AM
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8. The USA Cannot Win In Iraq
Because the USA is not fighting in Iraq. It is Bu$h and his gang of Corporate scum who our using our young men and our tax dollars to fight their private little war.

This war never had anything to do with the national interest or national security of the United States of America.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:33 AM
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9. So put on a flak jacket & get over there & fight, you falafel-fucking shithead.
Edited on Wed Oct-25-06 10:34 AM by impeachdubya
You look able-bodied enough.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 10:35 AM
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10. Uhhh.. The left is pointing out the admin's failures and offering up an
alternative. Isn't that what an opposition party is SUPPOSED to do?!

Duh, Bill. Duh.
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madmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-25-06 01:40 PM
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11. Bilbo the Torturer

The other day someone posted an especially aggravating news article about a man having sex with a dead dog near a day care center.

Terrible, terrible story that ruined my first cup of coffee and the whole day. The OP got a few expected replies before getting locked: "Give me a minute alone with that sicko," "What is the world coming to?" and the usual assortment of disgust with humanity in general. All understandable reactions and they all have one thing in common: helplessness.

Helplessness happens to be the goal of torture as well. In Iraq Tactics Have Long History With U.S. Interrogators, Walter Pincus discusses torture tactics refined by the CIA since 1963, and finds:

Used to train new interrogators, the handbook presents "basic information about coercive techniques available for use in the interrogation situation."

The specific coercive methods it describes echo today's news stories about Guantanamo and the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. At Abu Ghraib, for example, photographs and documents have shown that detainees were hooded, blindfolded, dressed in sloppy garb and forced to go naked.

The KUBARK manual suggests that, for "resistant" prisoners, the "circumstances of detention are arranged to enhance within the subject his feelings of being cut off from the known and the reassuring and of being plunged into the strange."


Don't most news stories do the same thing? Don't they distract from the "known and the reassuring" and plunge us "into the strange"? Isn't the threat "far more effective" than any actual immediate danger we could act on? There is little or nothing we can do about most news accounts, be they car accidents, crime reports or any strange danger that could be hundreds or thousands of miles away. All we can do is introvert the news and then "the early effect of such an environment is anxiety" and "the stress becomes unbearable for most subjects," some of whom "lose touch with reality focus inwardly."

Maybe after an excruciating story, as the news parades their experts, we experience something similar and the news adopts a more benevolent role. And since the torture would be subtle rather than direct, we can't quite blame and attack the news reporter and might even be thankful. Like a tortured man "resistance is likelier to be sapped by pain which he seems to inflict upon himself" and the source of pain "is not the interrogator but the victim himself."

Let's assume for the sake of argument that something similar occurs while watching the sensational news. What happens?

The payoff of such techniques, the manual said, is that when the interrogator appears, he or she appears as a "reward of lessened anxiety . . . providing relief for growing discomfort," and that sometimes, as a result, "the questioner assumes a benevolent role."


Is it possible the stream of "experts" we see on the news become the benevolent interrogators who offer a "reward of lessened anxiety"? If so, wouldn't we be more likely to be uncritical of their solutions?

Winston Smith suffers torture as the last step to his conformity in 1984:

'You asked me once,' said O'Brien, 'what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.'

What is news reporting if not the worst things in the world? Perhaps every newspaper, every news program, somewhere within their pages or minutes opens the door to our Room 101. Yours, mine, everyone's.

Perhaps, just perhaps, when all is said and done after we hear the gruesome news, the expert's solutions are all the hope possible. Perhaps then, "But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother."

Perhaps.
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