Knocking on RW doors . . . . And learning a few things about them:

[patrice]

When a Pro-Lifer asked me something my Pro-Choice candidate and what I'd do if . . . I made it clear that I personally am just very curious how anti-Abortion + Pro-War works together for a person.

She said "You know Revelations says the War in Iraq will go on forever, don't you?"

Well, of course, I knew there are End-Timers and they explain everything as proving Revelations is real, but I guess I didn't know that Revelations says that this particular struggle will last forever. I thought it says that there'd be a struggle, Armageddon, followed by a long period of relative quiet (if not peace).

What gives with this?

[bleedingheart]

1. kool aid drinkers all of them..

[donco6]

2. That's just not even true - even for a whacko fundie.

The Bible clearly says all life on earth would end but for Jesus' returning to the Mount of Olives. It does NOT say the battle of armageddon will go on forever. I can't imagine where that nutball got that.

[noahmijo]

3. I can't imagine how anyone takes religious texts seriously

It's MYTHOLOGY people you know fun stuff, kid stuff, MAKE BELIEVE. It's just beyond me how people can scoff at the belief in Santa Clause on one hand but take seriously a story of a talking snake tempting a woman to eat "forbidden" fruit.

[patrice]

8. I am a very rational person. I love Science.

But I believe there are things that Science has nothing to say about. Religion doesn't necessarily do a very good job of being about those things either.

The Bible may or may not be about phenomena of that order, but I think, if anything in it IS true, it would have to be true the same way Poetry can be True.

[noahmijo]

14. My problem with religion is when it is used as a substitute for fact

Use it as a means of spiritual guidance, sure that's what it was meant for that's how it should be used. But when you start using it to justify reality and in turn having it lead to being implemented as some sort of moral code that everyone must follow that's where the line must be drawn.


Over 2000 years later and the line continues to be invisible.

[patrice]

27. People who do that are blasphemers.

They're the ones who killed God.

[aquart]

4. They don't actually READ the Bible.

[donco6]

18. Some do read it, but . . .

their ideas about God and right and wrong and misconceptions about interpretation just get so balled up that they can't make heads or tails of the Bible unless someone teaches them - so they end up believing anything the pastor says.

[aquart]

20. That's looking, not reading. They look at the Bible.

[patrice]

6. "Jesus' returning to the Mount of Olives" . . . . ?

To be killed again - by those who choose to do so?

Or -

Not to be killed again - by those who refuse to do so?

What happens if both of these things happen?

Will/is his Second Coming be as just one person, or a single entity?

If the Bible makes any sense at all, Jesus never left Earth. He's always been here and we have always been killing him.

[donco6]

17. Actually, they believe he comes back . . .

and when he sets foot on the Mount, this big earthquake happens and splits the Mount in two. Then he basically kills everyone who doesn't believe in him.

Yay God!

[tulsakatz]

5. you can read almost anything into that stuff........

...I'm talking about Revelations. People usually read a wide variety of topics into the scriptures, that doesn't mean that's what the writer originally meant, it's just what they want it to mean.

[catmandu57]

7. I've wrote people like that off

as lost, unsalvageable, and a total waste of time. I don't care who they are family members not excluded. The scriptures also say that if people don't want to hear then shake the dust off your shoes and move on, which I happily do.

[patrice]

9. You're right to the extent that I should NOT let her/them DEPRESS me.

I do get overwhelmed at the enormity of this Blindness.

[ourbluenation]

10. re: pro life. Here's what you say...

"If you really and truly want to reduce abortions then you must vote for democrats - we are the party that funds access to birth control and funds education. We are the party that really wants to reduce abortions by taking practical measures like keeping unwanted pregnancies from happening in the first place. If you do not support funding these things then you, personally, have a hand in causing more abortions. May God have mercy on your soul."

[patrice]

12. Thank you. I just sent your words to my home email.

I will file in my door-knocking file.

[ourbluenation]

15. You're welcome. The emphasis should be on the fact that

politicians who say they are pro-life means nothing unless they back that up with action...and the righties don't. Instead they do the counterintuitive thing and cut back funding to the one practicable thing that actually helps reduce abortions - cut off the funding for birth control. The most effective thing though is putting the responsibilty directly on the shoulders of these pro-life voters. "you vote for these people so you are part of the problem". No more fancy footing around it...

[raccoon]

22. I agree with you, but my experience with people like this is they'll

say that if you don't want unwanted pregnancies, don't have sex.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

24. And don't forget....

The number one reason, far and ahead of any other, that women opt to have abortions is financial concerns. Voting for Republicans is voting to favor the rich over the poor and cut the social services that would allow a woman to "choose life".

[tsuki]

11. The Gnostics did not even want this book included in the Bible.

They said that it had the potential to be misused. Hellloooo!

[patrice]

13. Authorities on metaphorical truth and lies. n/t

[porphyrian]

16. Yep, and David Koresh said he was the second coming of Jesus.

Stupid fucking marks.

[juajen]

19. Slurpdipity or slurpdipitous

My new word meaning a kool aide drinking dipsh*t or a variation on the theme. Feel free to use and spread widely.

Slurpdipity - the person
Slurpdipitous - the adjective

[undeterred]

21. Revelations also gets very specific about stem cells

and global warming and GWB's alcoholism... :sarcasm:

[peanutbrittle]

23. Actually.......you are on track I think with what they believe.....

The next thing to happen is a ruler coming out of the EU that will create a 7 year pact of peace in the ME which will be broken after 42 months. Then all world military forces gather at Armageddon. When this happens then Jesus returns, stops Armageddon and we live in a 1000 years of peace.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

25. You should have told them that Revelations says that Bush is the Antichrist.

Not sure if I believe that there is an Antichrist but if there is one - it's Bush or somebody that he is working for.

[peanutbrittle]

26. I like to remind them about the Sermon on the Mount...

"The peacemakers. The text says that they will be called the children of God."

The Beatitudes : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beatitudes#Content

Beatitudes
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.

Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.

Blessed are those who have been persecuted for the sake of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Many need to go back and read